December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

"Can't we all just get along?"
by Pot＠networking.stanford.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is not FLAMEpunks.

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Re: Jim Bell - Murderous Terrorist
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:06 PM 2/4/96 -0800, jdoe-0007(a)alpha.c2.org wrote: >Jim Bell has advocated nothing less than paid death squads using crypto as a >means to hide payment to these murderous terrorists. Terrorists are people who create terror by random murder, by killing the innocent: Clearly this is the exact opposite of what Jim Bell advocates. The word terrorist was originally applied primarily to government organizations of terror, most notably the french revolution. You seem to be using the word "terror" to mean "Non government use of force" So by your definition, George Washington was a terrorist, whereas the Stalin and the French Revolutionary tribunal were not terrorists. By your definition of terrorist, there are plenty of advocates of "terrorism" on this mailing list. > If you can find a conspirator > of murder as " highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and overall nice person" then > you also are in need of immediate mental health intervention. or possibly you need to comprehend the difference between governmental decrees and morality. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Marshall McLuhan and encryption...
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Nick's a big shot at Wired magazine. So it should be no surprise > to learn that Wired attacked cypherpunks in its 01 96 issue. In > a fake interview with "Wired's patron saint," Marshall McLuhan is > made to say (p 130): > > Concerns about privacy and anonymity are outdated. Cypherpunks > think they are rebels with a cause, but they are really senti- > mentalists. Well, maybe McL. would have spit such nonsense, very characteristical of him. "The media is the message" is among the biggests con jobs performed on humanity. It's like having a guy dying form thirst and telling him: "The pipe is the beverage"... One fine example of the destruction of reason. If a PGP encrypted message was sent to Mr.McLuhan, could he see if it is a "there is a contract on you..." or "happy new year" or "I love you..." To any Cypherpunks, the media *IS NOT* the message! Dear Wired peoples and Mr. McLuhan: get lost! > The era of politics based on private identities, anonymous indi- > viduals, and independent citizens began with the French Revolution > and Napoleon's armies...and ended with Hitler.... The cypherpunks > are still marching to the same martial music. He is partially right. With Renaissance, came the idea that Reason and human mind were powerfull and that knowledge, because man's only survival tool is reason, is a value to pursue. But french revolution did not convey theses ideas, neither did Napoleon. And Hitler definitely not. All of the three were, ultimately, collectivists or looters. Therefore, the author of the text is guilty of setting up straw man and of context blanking. JFA Reality Is. Existence exists. Words have a precise meaning. $

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Re: C2 and the Worst Case
by an359557＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Are you saying that when someone with an anonymous mailbox on c2.org >retrieves his/her mail via a POP3 connection, no log is made of >the originating IP address? It's even worse than that. The IP address/hostname that connects to c2 shows up when you finger that user on c2! Sameer, can you please change that? An anonymous user don't wanna leave a trail as obvious as an IP address. --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Telecoms Bill
by Mark Grant, M.A. (Oxon) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, if "cypherpunks write code", is there any code we should be writing in response to this? Mark

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<<"In other words it was stvation/devastation city">> It was lot worse than that on the Japanese-imperialits occupied islands of the Pacific when the Nisei troops choosenot to surrender and instead, mad last-ditch charges against AMerican lines - which killed not a small number of Americans. And of course, there were the suicide bombers. Submarine operations don't cost zero lives, either. In fact, just plain old regular military logistics - keeping the boys mobilized and in place ina theatre of operations - don't cost zero lives, even if there are _no_ hostilities. And while all the starvation and devastation was going on in Japanese cities, the Japanese troops were torturing and murdering Allied POWs, and Asian civilains in all the Japanese-occupied teritories. Those people deserved liberation, too. I think you give your game away when you complain about how we were being unfair to Comrade Stalin. As far as Pax Americana goes, the Japanese just _volunteered_ to_increase_ the payments they make to support the American garrison in Japan. The non-Okinawans want us in their country. I guess they know that the alternative is a Red Chinese garrison. And lots of other Asians are afraid of the same alternative - or of Japanese garrisons in their homeland. THey've "been there, done that". Alan Horowitz alanh(a)norfolk.infi.net

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 4 Feb 1996 Pot(a)networking.stanford.edu wrote: > This is not FLAMEpunks. > WHAT??? --and miss all the fun? __________________________________________________________________________ go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say: yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off. _________________________________________________________________ attila__ To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches.... There is no safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be.

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fcpunx subscribe
by Wendy Fu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wendy Fu, Network Manager St. John's University School of Law 8000 Utopia Parkway, Jamaica, NY 11439 E-Mail Address: wfu(a)sjulaw.stjohns.edu Phone: (718)990-1666

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> INFORMATION IS INSECURE THE MOMENT YOU TOUCH A KEY. > >> This does not mean that Internet commerce is dead. Any scheme that is >> not based on self-identifying one-way financial instruments such as >> credit cards will be essentially unaffected by this problem. Moreover, >> even credit cards may be made safe on the Internet using one of two >> approaches: secure hardware add-ons and the First Virtual approach. etc. My name for this kind of software: Terminate and Stay Clueless ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | "The Internet, of course, is more | than just a place to find pictures | of people having sex with dogs." stevenw(a)best.com | -- Time Magazine, 3 July 1995

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Although this particular request was sent to the cypherpunks mailing list, others continue to send requests to my mailbox. >>>>> "Wendy" == "Wendy Fu" <WFU(a)sjulaw.stjohns.edu> writes: Wendy> endWendy Fu, Network Manager Wendy> St. John's University School of Law Wendy> 8000 Utopia Parkway, Jamaica, NY 11439 Wendy> E-Mail Address: wfu(a)sjulaw.stjohns.edu Wendy> Phone: (718)990-1666 I don't know how my address got associated with this list, but please, *do not* send requests about FCPUNX to steve(a)miranova.com. Requests about how to set up Gnus scoring for performing your own filtering of the cypherpunks list are welcome. -- steve(a)miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour.

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