December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: When they came for the Jews...
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>But Cooper said the ``unprecedented potential and scope of the Internet'' >gives people ``incredible power to promote violence, As opposed, say, to the "82nd Airborne Division" or the "3rd Shock Army." >threaten women, Not to mention threaten men. But I guess we don't deserve protection. >denigrate minorities What an incredibly racist statement. Why should blackening (denigrating) someone be bad? >promote homophobia Promote the fear of the same. No risk of the Nets doing that. >and conspire against democracy.'' Asked and answered. DCF "The 3rd Shock Army was the Red Army unit charged with charging through the Fulda Gap to split the BRD if and when. But 'if and when' never came."

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Re:
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:34 1/10/96 -0500, Pete Loshin wrote: >... [The] Hayes board of censors (the folks who felt that, during >the 40's it was obscene to indicate that ANYONE, particularly >married people, slept in the same bed together, with the result >that bedroom scenes always had the couple sleeping in their own >individual single beds). Who apperently when thru the roof when they saw Casablanca. It was real obvious what Rick and Ilsa were doing in Paris, but there were no bedroom scenes to cut. A classic example of Art over Asshole. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:34 PM 1/10/96 -0500, Pete Loshin wrote: >Magazines and TV (and books, newspapers, movies etc.) are _NOT_ >regulated, at least not as to content. These media are all >pretty much self-regulated. Lots of content regulation in the US: Libel, slander, indecency (radio and TV), obscenity, Federal Trade Commission (advertizing controls), Food and Drug Administration (drug 'labeling' and info controls), booze and cigarette advertizing, EEOC (controls on discriminatory advertizing), children's television requirements, civil defense broadcast requirements, station identification requirements, civil controls on advertizing foreign financial services (did you know this was illegal?), civil liability for carrying 'hit man' ads, etc. I'd come up with more if I had more time. I'll add more over the next few days as I think of them. Not to mention the numerous content controls in countries other than the US. The Nets will smash all of these content controls. DCF

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Re: NSA says strong crypto to china??
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > you think that's a bit ridiculous? i'm paid via an NIH grant given to my > adivisor by the govt. this stipend is taxed. it didn't used to be > (started to be taxed around '86 i believe). why the hell doesn't the > govt just save everyone the trouble and pay me less. i'm sure they could > get rid of a couple of IRS people this way. It's even sillier over here in Europe, and the paperwork is probably a couple of order of magnitudes more expensive (due to the translations required). Quick example (but old figures) - the EU spends $10 million a year to campaign against smoking, and then spends $1200 million a year to subsidise tobacco production. Thought for the day - Think about what the 'S' in IRS stands for. Gary - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMPUO4yoZzwIn1bdtAQGTEQGAuuoLP0gviZeGIuy7o4oc3jqanUYKp5eT Ce4FxXNfmz3DGZ6FY1UPGIEYZL6a7XzY =/sBS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto Law Survey - new URL and update
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The URL of my Crypto Law Survey has been changed several times over the past month due to changes in servers. Apologies. It is now located at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm (and it is meant to stay there :-)). So, please put pointers to this new URL, and accept my apologies for the inconvenience. To make up for this, I have updated the survey with all recent events, such as the ICC meeting in Paris and the recent discovery of a crypto law in Belgium, and added a few links. As always, comments are more than welcome. Kind regards, Bert-Jaap ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law and Informatization facs +31 13 466 8102 Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/schrdijk/CRI/people/bertjaap.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Can you break my encryption protocol ? - improvements
by Martin Diehl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 1/9/96 at 1:55pm, Bob Baldwin wrote: > Mark, > The protocol works well ... [SNIP] > Server computes: > X = Dec(K, Vs) > Test that H(X) = Ns, if not ... > All subsequent communications should be encrypted with K. > -- Bob Baldwin I think that the last part should be: Server computes: X = Dec(K, Vc) Test that H(X) = Nc Martin G. Diehl

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Re:
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Belgium has 'key escrow' law
by lvhove＠vnet3.vub.ac.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Surprise, surprise. Today's issue of 'De Standaard', Flanders' most respected newspaper, reports that - much to everybody's amazement - Belgium has a key escrow law in working order - or almost... The newspaper states that certain articles of a much 'broader' law that was passed on the 21th of December 1994, if enforced - which to date has _not_ been the case, would imply that encryption of computer messages is illegal unless the private key is registered with the BIPT (the Belgian Institute for Postal services and Telecommunication; a government administration that regulates the telecom sector). At the time of enactment these articles went almost completely unnoticed - hence the amazement. As mentioned, said articles are not enforced yet but it now appears that a working group, called Belinfosec (Belgium Information & Security), led by a colonel of the military intelligence services - no less, is preparing a report which would contain further specifications and would propose enacting clauses. Note that at present there is already legislation up and working that enables Belgian law enforcement to tap telephone lines 'in specific circumstances' (i.e., suspicion of criminal or terroristic activities). Judging by the newspaper article it will not be long before this will include computer messages. Asked for a reaction, officials from the banking sector reacted with both disbelief and outrage. The article quotes the head of security at Banksys (the interbank consortium that operates Belgium's nation-wide ATM/POS-network) who considers it to be "unacceptable" and "an intrusion on privacy" if government authorities were to be able to monitor all the money flows that pass through the Banksys network. He also fears that once revealed to the authorities, the keys might fall into the wrong hands, thus jeopardizing the system's security. I'll try to find out more and keep you informed. Ciao, leo P.S. I'm not on the cpx mailing list, so please Cc me. _________________________________________________________________________ Leo Van Hove Centre for Financial Economics Vrije Universiteit Brussel (Free University of Brussels) Pleinlaan 2 B-1050 Brussels Vox: +32 2 629.21.25 Fax: +32 2 629.22.82 e-mail: lvhove(a)vnet3.vub.ac.be VUB's Web site: http://www.vub.ac.be _________________________________________________________________________

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Re: When they came for the Jews...
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sten Drescher wrote: Adam Shostack <adam(a)lighthouse.homeport.org> said: AS> As always, the best answer to bad speech is more speech. Ken McVay, AS> and his Nizkor project, (http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) have been AS> involved in fighting hate speech, holocaust revisionism, and the AS> like for long time through archiving the big lies that revisionists AS> pump out, documenting the bogosity of their footnotes, showing their AS> contradictions, etc. Pointing out this, and other net resources AS> fighting anti-semitism is a much cleaner approach than attacking the AS> Wiesenthal center. Isn't this attacking, or at least opposing, them directly? Nope; its changing the terms of the debate. Saying 'you can't make this happen' is attacking them. AS> Someone noted the police stopping skinheads in Oregon-- I'll point AS> out that there is a substantial difference between talking and AS> randomly beating the crap out of people. The later is a fair basis AS> for action by police, although we may choose to question their AS> methodology. There is also a difference between stopping skinheads AS> and stopping blacks, in that the skinheads decided to wear clothing AS> and tattoos that identify them as skinheads, and thus may more AS> fairly be asked to bear the consequences. =09This is known as the "[S]he asked for it" argument, a widely discredited defense. If their _behavior_ doesn't indicate criminal behavior, and there isn't a report of a crime with suspects meeting their descriptions, there is no more excuse for hassling them than there is for hassling blacks, or hispanics, or.... Who knows, they could actually be a bunch of Marines (depending on the area). No, this is not 'she asked for it.' If there are skinheads who fit the description 'bald, black leather, swastikas' attacking people, then stopping people who fit that description is ok by me, as opposed to stopping people who fit the description 'black, medium hight, living in Boston,' which were the criterion here a few years back after Chuck Stewart shot his wife. The lead-in was people being attacked on the street at random. I thought I had hypothosized that they were skinheads. The crypto relevance might be getting thin. I think this will end my contribution to this thread in public. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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