December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Using lasers to communicate
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:43 PM 1/4/96, Jason Rentz wrote: >Previous exchanges deleted... >> >>With a tightly focused beam (light is easy, I don't know about lower >>frequencies), you can prevent interception except by very obvious physical >>devices. (e.g. Someone in a cherry picker truck.) You may be able to >>avoid the need to encrypt the link (and all the paranoia about key >>management, advances in factoring etc. that that implies.) >> >>Bill > >The problem with this comes when you start creating links between much >taller buildings like in San Fran. Any give building over 30 stories might >sway a foot or so at any given time. Combine that with the other building >and you might get a few feet of movement. (movement not including during an >earthquake) :) Just a couple of points on this optical idea. We were linking buildings a mile apart in the 70s, at Intel. We needed to ship CAD data back and forth, and PacBell rates for a dedicated line were outrageous, slow to be installed, etc. So, a commercially available laser and modulator/demodulator (modem, but it bears sometimes using the longer version, to remind people of what it is doing in general) were mounted on the roofs of our buildings. I'm sure various packages are commercially available to do this. As to buildings swaying in earthquakes, somehow I don't think transient loss of channel capacity during a quake is going to be a pressing concern! :-} Swaying in ordinary wind is an easily-handled problem. (Any good engineer can think of several fixes: paraboloidal dish receivers are cheap (not even optical quality, just to get light pulses), compensation for sway, acceptance of slightly reduced data rates as modem error correction handles sway-induced dropouts, movement of the transmitters and receivers to lower levels, etc.) Also, nearly all high-tech buildings (or at least more than 95% of all high-tech floorspace in the U.S.) are less than 3-4 stories tall; most are 1-2 stories. Building sway is nonexistent. And building sway only approaches the multiple meter level in the highest floors of the tallest buildings. I would guess that fewer than 1% of all offices are affected; for them, a lower data rate is acceptable. I'm actually more positive on low-level (below safety regs get interested in) light than on free space RF, for bypassing of the local cable/phone monopolies. There's just not enough "bandwidth of free space" available. Do the math. (Footnote: Some years back some of us got interested in the idea of using lasers to communicate between San Diego/Chula Vista and Tijuana. Ordinary phone lines turned out to be cheaper.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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USENIX anyone?
by Matt Blaze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm going to be at the USENIX conference in San Diego later this month, as are, I suspect, many other crypto/cypherpunk types. Any interest in a crypto BOF?

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by FreeBSD user 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:55 1/4/96 -0500, Tony Iannotti wrote: >On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > >> Yes it would require that the Node be checked in the Software. What I was >> responding to was a claim that there is no way of telling where I am >> connecting from (which I disproved). As to calling a non-German Node, that >> is always an option. > >Yes, I agree. I think the real difference is that they really cannot tell >where you are calling from, even though they know where you are >connecting. Caller ID could tell them where you are calling from. They can also use their billing information and user profile information to decide where you live and/or how old you are. I wonder if any of these filters will keep the German prosecutors off their necks, given that they can be bypassed. I feel sorry for them given the situation they are in, and want to kick their butts for just rolling over dead instead of fighting for free access. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP
by Cedric Tefft 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: owner-cypherpunks > To: cypherpunks > Subject: Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP > Date: Thursday, January 04, 1996 11:29AM > > In article <v02130503ad119cbfdece(a)[205.231.67.43]>, > netdog <netdog(a)dog.net> wrote: > >nobody will ever need more than 640K or RAM? i wouldn't underestimate the > >ability of technology to grow at a pace that is beyond our wildest > >dreams-especially with this network serving as a virtual office/lab. of > >course, ymmv. > > Order of magnitude check: > > There is a very well-defined limit to the size of key that can be broken by > brute force, independent of your "wildest dreams" as to the growth of > technology. It's the Laws of Thermodynamics. [snip] No law says the attack has to be brute force. What about the birthday attack, differential cryptanalysis, etc? True, I believe neither of those examples are applicable to RSA, but factoring is, and it's _much_ more efficient than brute force searches. There might be other algorithems out there (or as yet undiscovered) that are more efficient than current factoring algorithms are (or ever hope to be). If your attacker has an algorithm whereby he has to search less than the full keyspace, he has effectively reduced the size of your key. Essentially, his attack is the same order of magnitude as a brute force search of this new reduced keyspace (call it "effective" keyspace for convenience). The greater difference between the effective keyspace and the real keyspace (determined by his cracking algorithm), the larger I need to make my real key to compensate. If his algorithm effectively cuts my keyspace in half, I need to make it twice as large as I would need if my attacker's best algorithm were brute force. >And they strongly imply that brute-force attacks against 256-bit keys will be infeasible > until computers are built from something other than matter and occupy > something other than space." Hmmm... Well, the 384-bit Blacknet PGP key was cracked in just a few months. How? Certainly parallelism helped, but the main reason is that they were factoring keys rather than searching the full keyspace by brute force. I don't know about you, but I'm certainly not going to stop increasing the size of my key simply because it can't be cracked by brute force. - Cedric

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Re: Microsoft has a way to go on E-Mail
by Brad Shantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I've just installed the Microsoft Exchange Server release candidate at the office. I am firmly convinced that the bounce messages Tim just mentioned are from an Exchange server that has not been set up correctly. Things I've noticed: If the client sends a message to an invalid address on the same LAN the server returns an error saying that there is no transport available. If the mail is from an oustide source, the recipient is not recognized. It's really easy to make mistakes because there is no consistency whatsoever between Exchange Server and MS-Mail Server. Brad

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CACM Jan 96 "Inside Risks" column
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter G. Neumann has a very good column this month on risks and the "worldwide rush [to] digital commerce." Summarizes problems with our infrastructure, gives some concrete examples, and discusses importance of privacy as a commodity, and how "We need, among other things, ... consistent use of good cryptography in operating systems and application software." /r$

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@Home cable modem systems
by Thomas Grant Edwards 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See URL http://www.home.net/home2/speed.html Some tidbits: @Home is a high-speed network that provides real-time multimedia news, information, entertainment and advertising content, access to the Internet, e-mail and other services to consumers via cable systems and their personal computers. The Mountain View, Calif.-based company is a joint venture between (between Tele-Communications Inc. and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers )venture capital firm. The @Home network will provide consumers with a significant increase in speed and quality over current online connections. The service will use a customized version of the popular Netscape browser that will run on most Microsoft Windows, Windows 95, Macintosh OS and UNIX personal computers. @Home will employ an open platform architecture that will make its features available to the widest possible number of users and content providers. The @Home network will operate over a high-speed backbone and existing cable systems and will be linked to home computers via cablemodems and standard Ethernet connections. @Home will include a wide variety of content. In addition to providing connections to the global Internet, the World Wide Web and e-mail, the service will enable content providers to create multimedia content that takes advantage of the high-speed network, as well as extensive local news and information. Deployment of the @Home service will begin in 1996 in select national markets, starting with Sunnyvale, Calif. The monthly charge for @Home is expected to be $30-$50 for unlimited use of basic services. ... Cable modems are almost 700 times faster than 14.4 modems and nearly 80 times faster than ISDN connections. Cable modems do not require an extra phone line, and they eliminate the time and potential trouble involved in dialing a service. Cable-based Internet services offer an even richer multimedia experience than CD-ROM technology, including real-time delivery and updating of content. And cable offers a direct connection to the online world--when you turn on the computer, you are on the network. @Home's network is based on a distributed model that makes extensive use of caching and replication to minimize traffic on the system's backbone and maintain high levels of speed. @Home will operate its own global network infrastructure connecting to the Internet at multiple locations. The @Home backbone will connect regional data centers together via a multi-megabit switched data system. These regional centers would serve limited geographic areas, such as individual cities, and would be connected to local servers located at cable system headends. @Home users would be connected to the headends via local area networks operating over the cable system, which is a two-way hybrid fiber-optic/coaxial cable configured asymmetrically. Many cable companies have upgraded their systems to handle such two-way connections or are in the process of doing so. At the home, the service would arrive over the same cable that delivers television signals, which would not be affected by the addition of data services. The cable modem, which would be supplied by the cable company, would be connected to the subscriber's computer with a standard 10-Base-T Ethernet cable. Many computers now include Ethernet connections or can easily be upgraded. The software required to use the service would be provided to the subscriber by @Home and will include a TCP/IP stack and Internet browser software with built-in e-mail and multimedia capabilities.

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hi peter!
by FreeBSD user 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Starting an e-cash bank
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:41 1/4/96, Scott Brickner wrote: >Wait a minute. I can see how one needn't be a bank to convert ecash >into pcash, but going the other way requires that the cash be >transferrable in ways that Digicash isn't. > >If I withdraw ecash from the bank, it's marked so I'm the one who's >identified if it's double-spent. If I give the cash to someone else >(different from paying it to them, which requires they have an account) >they're free to double-spend with (relative) impugnity. Present day Ecash is bases on online clearing. I does not encode any user idendifiying information into the coin. You are thinking of offline Ecash. Besides, wherer users get the Ecash from, be it by putting money into their account at MT or buying it from you doesn't matter. They still need an account with MT. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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