December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: A challenge ...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I've been challenged to try to find a bank account; I win the challenge >if I can wire in $100 to the hidden account. Anyone have any good >ideas about how to find an ABA number? This sounds like the "this is your last chance to send me $1!" ad: Announcing the 'Bank Account' Hack. Rules: Wire me $100. Reward: I'll give you a T-shirt. The *real* challenge will be getting your $100 back.

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Re: Because they want to be "players"
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: > (The ACLU is far from perfect, but I am gaining new respect for > their absolutist stance on most civil liberties issues. I am > assuming that the ACLU will not support the "speak in Spanish while > committing a crime and get an extra 10 years" language? This, by the > way, is what the "use a cipher" language is exactly parallel to.) The ACLU does have some peculiar ideas about English, however. A few years ago your local Northern California chapter sued an aspirin company because their label, including warnings, was entirely in English. They argued that because the company was selling aspirin in a Spanish speaking market, the label should have been in Spanish. (The grandmother of a child did not speak English. The child became seriously ill and may have died.) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNCIX95aWtjSmRH/5AQFjOgf/V5iWS+taWP3GjmGzsRaXkh3bLFO2vfn0 CIVN3Tsczr9BhsyNNv6iAdR6sh1vJFQraFFqbtKIDhU58X+mqU/Ypv5wXhw5q2AN Iu76LG1ILpPwqNCV/fk3d0J/S2yF2pD6a/1zMdD85U3/cxvItM4Q6mMywryCdHU5 K0cP4NuhWMKhwFtTVt/v1r0u4ILI3k3zp5On2lSzVexkjXBfV86YCx/x+5OxDTAz Z8ZAi4ksDXmhSrFUzGAwpkTyBqP7R5/sZ/NdsA3xT5lKVNK0iiBVH9j572T7oIPN 99FlC6V1tytPYlpxFr2/VqTjf8mnvDUv93pnCOYR87Vjp8nE4R6+2w== =92gX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Netscape 2.0b2 allows for invasion of privacy (fwd)
by loki＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:52 PM 12/28/95, Graeme Cross wrote: >Talking of Netscape - this posting prompted me to forward it given the >security and privacy implications inherent in the problem. > >Cheers >Graeme > <SNIP> YOW! It is beginning to look like "At Netscape, Security is Job NONE." Something to put with the Netscape pro-GAK pages I am putting together. -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[ocksucker] Mayhem's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is cross-ruminated. _ O Timothy C[ocksucker] Mayhem (_ | -'_/ X-

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Re: Barring access to Netscape
by cactus＠hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- James A. Donald <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote: >This would not be satisfactory in itself: Ideally one would like to bring >up a page saying "Sorry, you cannot access that page because you >are using a netscape browser: Click *here* for the sad tale of >Netscape. If Netscape really does go the GAK route, I will unilaterally do this to the Cypherpunk Archives (or something similar, like every request flashing up briefly and then client-pulling the GAK pages). I've been told that many media-types go to the archives whenever c'punks make the news. How much of an effect do y'all think it'll have if they can't do it with Netscape? Shouldn't be too hard to hack this into Apache. - -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living / love for a man/ cactus(a)hks.net | love for a woman/ love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich Cactus' Homepage - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBML7AKCoZzwIn1bdtAQEPhAF9HY/ARaVLTFcvyQ1utx94uZ+ZmeXOemmO 2jnX4y/gDelAEO+C7kBAprm8GDyLhgJQ =G5jT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Barring access to Netscape
by Frank Stuart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If Netscape really does go the GAK route, I will unilaterally >do this to the Cypherpunk Archives (or something similar, like every >request flashing up briefly and then client-pulling the GAK pages). After talking to a couple of people, and playing around some, this seems to be a better choice. That way, you can actually send information (including a list of where to get other browsers) instead of just garbage to netscape users. Is anyone aware of browsers other than Netscape that do client pulls? A simple filter to do (and undo) this would still be useful, I think so that users can easily fix all their documents. Fortunately, that would be very easy to write. >I've been told that many media-types go to the archives whenever c'punks >make the news. How much of an effect do y'all think it'll have if they >can't do it with Netscape? > >Shouldn't be too hard to hack this into Apache. That's not a bad idea either. Hopefully, Netscape will post a retraction (soon!) and none of this will be necessary. Frank Stuart | (Admiral Grace) Hopper's Law: fstuart(a)vetmed.auburn.edu | It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

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directed speech free? request for opinions.
by Mark Hedges 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have seen California law code which seems to indicate that speech directed at an individual is not covered under the first amendment. If you have any thoughts on the matter, please send opinions (not legal advice, of course, if you are a lawyer). Also, if you know of any speech rights scholars or lawyers willing to answer a few related questions for free, I would appreciate the pointer. Thank you. Mark Hedges

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Re: Netscape gives in to key escrow
by JR＠ns.cnb.uam.es 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

With regard to all this waving about Netscape giving in to key scrow... First one question, and then some considerations. The question: - How much of Netscape stock is in the hands of Netscape? I mean in the hands of the people that work in/for the Company? And how much is in outsiders whose only interest is earning as much as possible? That is, my friends, the key point. When Netscape began selling shares, and before and after that, they were (and still are) widely criticized in this list. I assume most cypherpunks didn't buy. I'd also bet many oportunists, did. And I'd bet many activists thougth this was their chance to get a hold on the development of Internet... So, now we have that most of Netscape is owned by people that either don't care but for money, or fundamental activists. And then, those people have to take decisions. And then they are faced with confronting their government who tells them what to do if they don't want to have problems. And who probably offers some hidden compensations to get their support (maybe tax reliefs?). And who menaces with countermeasures if they don't agree. Oh, they are also faced with lots of fundamentalistic priests who tell them they'll go to hell if they don't give in. Or engage in a crusade against the "evil" net. What did you expect Netscape to do? The guys with the money and the control won't face all the small shareholders and tell them they are going to be "evil" against the gov. and the priests and the religious organizations, and that they will face gov. restrictions, give up political and economic advantages, etc.. to satisfy a bunch of cypher punks that are continuously complaining publicly against the company and don't even buy shares. That's what I think that has happened. And I may be wrong. But there's a lesson to learn: there is a lot of anti-crypto guys out there. Unknowledgeable people, gul lible persons, and fanatics who won't doubt doing anything to get a total control of things. Either we try to educate them, make them more knowledgeable and less gullible, or we fight back with our own companies or buying more shares than them. Or both. Sitting back and complaining won't help crypto, freedom or anything for that matter at all. That said, before blaming more on Netscape and asking a starting company whose major aset is still shareholders instead of sales, we should think better about the correct strategy. Now, who's gonna offer some constructive ideas for a change? jr

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Re: Barring access to Netscape
by Adam Philipp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:00 AM 11/30/95 -0800, you wrote: >This would not be satisfactory in itself: Ideally one would like to bring >up a page saying "Sorry, you cannot access that page because you >are using a netscape browser: Click *here* for the sad tale of >Netscape. > Here is the Netscape specific code that does exactly this: <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="1 ;URL=http://www.cypherpunks.com/verysadtaleaboutnetscapeandgak.html"> It simply send the viewer to the URL listed after ";URL" bit. I use it on my page to get to my Netscape optimized section (soon to go by the wayside). Try it an see. Adam --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ |PGP key available on my home page|Unauthorized interception violates | | http://www.compuvar.com/adam |federal law (18 USC Section 2700 et| |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|seq.). In any case, PGP encrypted | |SUB ROSA... |communications are preferred for | | (see home page for definition) |sensitive materials. | \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/

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Judo -> Aikido...
by Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- On Sep 15, Dan Geer apparently wrote -------------------------------------- > i recall Tzu also saying that you need to use > the enemy's momentum to your advantage, the > principle of judo if you will. in parallel, This has nothing to do with cypherpunks, but I just could not resist seeing a reference to a martial art that I still love to practice. Dan most likely refers to Aikido (and not Judo) here. A martial art that uses the momentum/force of the "partner" to disarm h{im,er} and change the "attack" to a victory in your advantage... > revolutionaries of many stripes have found > that "heightening the contrast" is necessary > if you mean for real change to occur. --- and thus sprach: Dan Geer <geer(a)world.std.com> ---------------------------- Ciao, Unicorn. -- ======= _ __,;;;/ TimeWaster ================================================ ,;( )_, )~\| A Truly Wise Man Never Plays PGP: 64 07 5D 4C 3F 81 22 73 ;; // `--; Leapfrog With A Unicorn... 52 9D 87 08 51 AA 35 F0 ==='= ;\ = | ==== Youth is not a time in life, it's a State of Mind! ========

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