December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Government promotes strong crypto!!!
by EFF 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Electronic Forgery Foundation] <Bienfait, Saskatchewan> [Washington, DC] In a startling turn of events, the U.S. government has come out in support of the use of strong encryption. In order to give incentives to criminals to use strong encryption, the government has announced that the penalty for using weak encryption in the commission of a crime will be an extra five years in prison. Lying Nazi Fuck Freeh stated, "Theoretically, the law applies to those criminals who use strong encryption, as well, but in practice, we will not be able to prosecute, because if we can't break it, then we have no way to prove it is being used for criminal purposes." Dog-faced Child Murderer Reno stated that the high level of publicity given to the effective use of encryption in crime has served the government's aim of making certain that the vast majority of criminals will recognize the value of using encryption to hide evidence. Lying Nazi Slut Dying FineSwine stated that she opposed the use of strong encryption by child pornographers because she and the vice police had grown so accustomed to high-quality computer graphics of child pornography, that they just couldn't get off on photographs any more. Marked for deletion SwineSwine said that she would like to comment more on child pornography, but talking about it made her hot, and she then rushed of to the ladies room. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was forged under the auspices of the Electronic Forgery Foundation. Any misuse or abuse of this message will probably give your Congressman a hard on. They're weird that way. -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Any talk of limiting _existing_ crypto?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OK, so the imminent legislation will ban sale or distribution unescrowed crypto products after 1999 or 2000 or whatever. Exact details unclear. But I see no language declaring existing products to be contraband. (Though such language could still come, of course...nothing would surprised me at this point.) So, what about Alice and Bob using PGP 5.0 or Explorer with S-MIME, or whatever. Plenty of crypto already out there. They can drop their encrypted text into whatever mail program or browser they're using. If existing crypto is fully legal to use, then it could be years and years before the Freeh-Reno-SAFE outlawing has any significant effect. Is there any reasonable interpretation of any of the SAFE or Pro-CODE bills that could make it illegal to use preexisting crypto programs (before the ban)? Any way they could make it illegal to use PGP or Lotus Notes or whatever in conjunction with a mailer or browser? If not, then our strategy should be to get the simpler, text-centric, crypto programs massively and widely deployed. Spend the year or so we have before D-Day getting crypto onto every CD-ROM being distributed, every public domain site, etc. (An old strategy, and one great progress has been made on. But now we have to really go into high gear, to _really_ get crypto widely deployed.) Integration with mailers and browsers may not even be such a good idea, as the evolution of such products will cause obsolescence. Better, perhaps, to leave the crypto at the "text edit" level, the ASCII level, where it can be dropped in cleanly to whatever program is current. (Also an old strategy, one with many advantages.) The war criminals in Washington will have a real hard time rounding up the crypto deployed between now and D-Day. Fucking criminals. Fight the _real_ criminals. Nuke em til they glow. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Cypherpunks Bay Area Meeting, This Satuday September 13th
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What: Cypherpunks September 1997 Bay Area Meeting When: Saturday September 13, 12 noon till 5pm Where: PGP World Headquarters, 2nd floor meeting room Bayview Bank Building, just south of Hwy. 92 2121 S. El Camino Real, San Mateo California http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head Agenda: Forbes Article background, everyone Cypherpunks at HIP'97, Lucky Green, David Del Torto Ecash announcement, Jeremey Barrett, BlueMoney Software Corp. Linux Onion Router, Jeremey Barrett Diffie-Helman Free of Patent, ??? New FBI Anti-Crypto Bill, how to react, everyone Domain name conference report, John Gilmore Attacks on US remailers etc., Bill Stewart ??? After: Eat dinner somewhere yet to be decided... PGP Building Access: This is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. There is a minor building security formality due to the facilities being in a bank building: anytime after 12 noon, approach the Bayview Building's Information window (in the plaza, see below for directions), and ask the Guard on Duty to let you up to the 2nd Floor for the Cypherpunks meeting (use the passphrase "cypherpunks release code"). If you have any difficulty (eg. if the guard is on a break), simply call DDT at +1 415 730 3583 he I'll let you in. You can arrive at any time during the scheduled meeting hours, though earlier is better if you want to hear the interesting stuff.

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Bean Counting
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After giving careful consideration to the amount of press coverage dedicated to the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building, and judging the proportion of outrage over the deaths of the children in the daycare center compared to the amount of outrage over the remaining victims, I have come to the conclusion that in the interests of saving lives terrorists and psychos should be encouraged to murder the youngest children possible. While my studies are preliminary, they indicate that terroists and madmen would only have to kill half as many people to achieve comparable results in the arena of publicity and public attention if they were to confine their slaughter to young children. This figure declines further if the children are white, and even further yet if they are cute. By promoting cute young white children as the target of preference for terroists and crazy people, we could save innumerable lives each and every year. Next Week: The role of Senior Citizens in slow check-out lines.

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Re: More on House Intelligence committee amendment on crypto
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:38 PM 9/11/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: >So I'm reading through the 43-page amendment to SAFE that the House >Intelligence committee approved today. It includes: > >* Ban on sale of crypto without a backdoor. Five year & fine (maybe >$250,000?) if violated. Prosecutions can be held in closed-door >courtrooms, publishers of info about case to be held in contempt of court. Does the bill retain the 5 years first offense, 10 years second offense provisions for using crypto in the comission of a crime? Let's see: Lucky sells five copies of PGP. That's 5+(5+4*10)=50 years in prison. Or is it (5*5)+(5+4*10)=70 years? Doesn't make much of a difference at my age, I suppose. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Cypherpunks Bay Area Meeting, This Satuday September 13th
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Daniel <hugh(a)ecotone.xanadu.com> To: cypherpunks-announce(a)toad.com Subject: Cypherpunks Bay Area Meeting, This Satuday September 13th Reply-to: hugh(a)xanadu.com What: Cypherpunks September 1997 Bay Area Meeting When: Saturday September 13, 12 noon till 5pm Where: PGP World Headquarters, 2nd floor meeting room Bayview Bank Building, just south of Hwy. 92 2121 S. El Camino Real, San Mateo California http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head Agenda: Forbes Article background, everyone Cypherpunks at HIP'97, Lucky Green, David Del Torto Ecash announcement, Jeremey Barrett, BlueMoney Software Corp. Linux Onion Router, Jeremey Barrett Diffie-Helman Free of Patent, ??? New FBI Anti-Crypto Bill, how to react, everyone Domain name conference report, John Gilmore Attacks on US remailers etc., Bill Stewart ??? After: Eat dinner somewhere yet to be decided... PGP Building Access: This is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. There is a minor building security formality due to the facilities being in a bank building: anytime after 12 noon, approach the Bayview Building's Information window (in the plaza, see below for directions), and ask the Guard on Duty to let you up to the 2nd Floor for the Cypherpunks meeting (use the passphrase "cypherpunks release code"). If you have any difficulty (eg. if the guard is on a break), simply call DDT at +1 415 730 3583 he I'll let you in. You can arrive at any time during the scheduled meeting hours, though earlier is better if you want to hear the interesting stuff. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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MITSUBISHI MISTY algorithm
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Bean Counting II
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know if the government has released any firm figures on the number of lives that would be saved from terrorist activities with the outlawing of strong encryption and mandatory key escrow? If we had the proper figures to work with then we could make a valid judgment as to how many lives anti-GAK supporters would have to put in danger in order to tip the balance so that it would be in the best interests of the citizens to allow strong non-GAK'ed crypto. I, for one, would hate to see lives lost needlessly merely because those opposing GAK did not have the proper figures to work with. I think that in the interests of the greatest number of citizens, the government should supply solid figures as to the body count that would be required to negate the need for laws against strong encryption. Also, the government should provide a separate figure for how many lives of legislators would need to be lost in order to balance the threat of strong encryption. I imagine that it would take far fewer Congressman's lives to balance it out than it would average citizen's lives. Call your Congressman and ask if these figures are available. In order to get the most help possible, begin the conversation by asking the Congressman if he is in favor of saving lives. BeanCounter

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Different Ways to Serial Murder AOL Members' Children
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Different Ways to Serial Murder AOL Members' Children: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.

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