December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

WHAT THE.. (was: Manditory key sig..
by Syed Yusuf 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in all this discussion about how well it would work and ways around it, I think I've missed the problem that people are trying to solve. isn't it ironic that privacy advocates are suggesting manditory loss of anonimity (which is what forced signing is).

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Pbbbbbbbbbt!
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

***************** Begin PKP Signed Message ***************** Version 3.14159 A Proposal That It Be Resolved: * That Eric can, and will, do as he sees fit with the Cypherpunks mailing list on toad.com. * That Eric can, and will, do whatever he's going to do, whenever he does it. * That many have made their positions clear - amply, and repeatedly - on what they think of the various proposals put forth in response to Eric's initial posting, the clarifications, the clarified clarifications, the counter-proposals, counter-counter-proposals, ad nauseum. * That if/when Eric does something that those on the Cypherpunks mailing list do/don't agree with (or otherwise find inconvenient, distasteful, awkward, reprehensible, foolish, appropriate, called-for, suitable, necessary, ad nauseum), they will respond as they feel appropriate. * That responses to any actions taken by Eric may include letters of support/condemnation, forged/faked information, leaving in a snit/huff/quietly/loudly, formation of a C1Ph3rD00Dz mailing list, ranting, raving, cheering, applause, or whatever else the individual may feel appropriate. * That Eric has had ample opportunity to see the response to his proposal, and will therefore take it into consideration as he feels appropriate. * That the subject will not be properly addressed and resolved until and unless some _definitive_ action occurs. * That until and unless such action occurs, anything else is so much flailing about madly, with a fair measure of High Blood Pressure and Hurt Feelings tossed in. * That the subject has now been flogged to death, and that further discourse on it only serves to fragment the CP mailing list. Respectfully Submitted Dave Merriman ***************** Begin PKP Signature ***************** 1 ******************************************************* ****************** End PKP Signed Message ****************** - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)feenix.metronet.com for PGP public key and fingerprint. PGP encrypted Email welcome, encouraged, and preferred. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy

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apologies
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My apologies for the second posting of my Proposal - the first one came back from toad at the end of a notice that an individuals account was closed (??). Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)feenix.metronet.com for PGP public key and fingerprint. PGP encrypted Email welcome, encouraged, and preferred. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy

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by megamoneymakers＠mail-response.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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WHAT THE.. (was: Manditory key sig..
by N. Cognito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT), Syed Yusuf wrote: >in all this discussion about how well it would work and ways around it, >I think I've missed the problem that people are trying to solve. > >isn't it ironic that privacy advocates are suggesting manditory >loss of anonimity (which is what forced signing is). Such is certainly not the case for everyone. I don't see that I lose any anonymity by signing MY messages. I regard it for the most part as a necessary evil inherent in maintaining a stable, reputable pseudonymous persona. I sign everything I mail or post so that eventually individuals who've become familiar with this identity will suspect a spoof if they see something to which my nym is attached but not my digital signature. To be frank, it's something of a chore for me to sign everything. I do it because there's a good reason for me to do so. N. Cognito =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= N. Cognito "Don't put no constrictions on da people. an234(a)vox.xs4all.nl Leave 'em ta hell alone." -- J. Durante =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= public key available via keyserver -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLt4hx6L3ipYu3mvVAQGaYwQAg/cKHs4RKYEQ1tx5YDQrGUeIeXSe2G+t xJCh1vKzVYB6VjwVH2MrwyfJXtvXvdVbco2X6xx2KJxpwY1r1WRgYSOsbtehMleg 24a1ukcycYe+lgNn62PEEbxw9zGbL4unHaWLkiFkyzPknSlZSNfBBsQpp11UGmnG FCVg3SidPlE= =gg74 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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C-punx Corallary (sp?)
by cjl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If a thread on the C-punx list lasts long enough, the initials L.D. appear shortly before the invocation of the N*zis, usually posted by L.D. himself -) (blind lemon smiley) C. J. Leonard ( / "DNA is groovy" \ / - Watson & Crick <cjl(a)welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> / \ <-- major groove ( \ Finger for public key \ ) Strong-arm for secret key / <-- minor groove Thumb-screws for pass-phrase / )

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Is it happening already ?
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I hope this is not the start of a trend toward meaningless signatures along the lines I mentioned recently. Hal Finney, who commands more respect from me than does anyone else on the list to date, has just started to PGP sign his messages to the list. However, so far they haven't been signed with a key I've been able to locate. AFAIK, he hasn't sent it to the list. Portal does not accept external fingers. I requested "GET Finney" from one of the key servers at MIT, but all I received was the remailer key I had before. Does someone else have Hal's key ? I could send him mail directly, but I'd prefer to get the key from someone else if it's out there (to learn from my mistake), or else raise this issue again if it's deliberately unavailable. - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "Don't say my head was empty, when I had things to hide...." --Men at Work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLt44O2f7YYibNzjpAQFBQwQAuN3BTSjJnZVnWgsu7WUvsw2ZnE336qqy dFJAkfV7Mdfds3+e3uyR4xHR73TG08lq5Scsohq5D7tOshndzyuVmvKKfRIgSifo hOVkIFuSNjM5Gphnbdcao8NccQMAkZ1CMWysqsI9kAQUBHEXHiUgjAtnsHw8pbL9 JW4GJoo3ADk= =8W2C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Closed Account
by cfrye＠mason1.gmu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ACCOUNT cfrye(a)mason1.gmu.edu IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. IF THIS IS A LIST, THEN PLEASE REMOVE THIS ADDRESS.

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Re: Closed Account
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmmmph. It looks like I'm not the only one getting these things..... Dave Merriman > >ACCOUNT cfrye(a)mason1.gmu.edu IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. >IF THIS IS A LIST, THEN PLEASE REMOVE THIS ADDRESS. > >>From owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Thu Dec 1 15:58:04 1994 >Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP > id QQxslf15044; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:56:42 -0500 >Received: by toad.com id AA03659; Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:55:37 PST >Received: from ducie.cs.umass.edu by toad.com id AA03653; Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:55:31 PST >Received: (from lmccarth@localhost) by ducie.cs.umass.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ id PAA23759 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:56:00 -0500 >From: "L. McCarthy" <lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> >Message-Id: <199412012056.PAA23759(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> >Subject: Is it happening already ? >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com (Cypherpunks Mailing List) >Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:55:58 -0500 (EST) >Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com (Cypherpunks Mailing List) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Length: 1204 >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)feenix.metronet.com for PGP public key and fingerprint. PGP encrypted Email welcome, encouraged, and preferred. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy

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Re: "Cyherpunks Named Official Signing Authority"
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:05 PM 12/01/94, Eric Hughes wrote: >WARNING: The following paragraph does not have direct relevance to the >issue at hand. It discusses servers which might verify signatures, >which my current proposal does not have in it. > >What I have realized in the interim is, that if a server is to verify >a signature, the server should sign not the message but rather the >signature. After all, the signature is what was being verified, not >any property of the message. The user can still detect message >alteration, by first verifying the sig-on-sig, and then comparing the >hash value in the original sig to a hash on the message. I echo Eric's warning, that I also don't mean this to have anything to do with the current thread. The benefit of having the list sign the entire message, is that even if people _don't_ sign the message themselves (assuming they aren't being requried to ;) ), there's still something left to sign. The list would be signing to indicate that, yes, this message did pass through cypherpunks(a)toad.com. Regardless of whether the author signed the message himself or not, completely different issue.

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