December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

DigiCash unlicensed for US use
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone: > > > I don't think so. It appears that the initial implementation of > >DigiCash works exactly that way [based on what I've read on their W3 > >server]. Of course, I could tell you more exactly had they replied to > >any of my four separate attempts to try it out .. > > Interesting. I too have made four requests and still not received any > software. Can you say "vapor?" > > dave It says very clearly at the DigiCash web site that the technology is NOT LICENSED FOR USE IN THE USA. I've been using the client quite happily from India; though I know for sure that US sites (eg. HotWired) have e-cash servers, there are obviously difficulties in using it there. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "In between the breaths is rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in the space where we live" rishab(a)arbornet.org - Lawrence Durrell Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Morality masks technical ignorance
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The moralistic rubbish in response to the Norton Encrypt post is just cover for a surprising technical ignorance about the product among Cypherpunks (myself included). Funny. We'd all have kept shut if the question was "I forgot my NE password. What do I do?" Maybe we should stop discussing anonymous remailers lest they be put to 'amoral' use? I always thought the emphasis on this list was on _technological_ rather than _political_ or _legal_ or _moral_ means to protect privacy and free expression - including the current limitations. The inevitability of technology confounding laws - BlackNet as the 'dark' aspect and "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway" as the 'good' side. That's what makes Cypherpunks different from comp.org.eff.talk and alt.privacy, IMHO. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "In between the breaths is rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in the space where we live" rishab(a)arbornet.org - Lawrence Durrell Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: HACK ATTACK
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> in one of the re-enactment he states," I'm in! I control the > horizontal and the vertical..." It's a tag line from the old TV show The Outer Limits. /r$

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Phil Zimmerman????
by dwomack＠runner.utsa.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw an earlier post discussing problems that Phil Zimmerman was facing. Is there any information about what those might be? Regards, Dave

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re: Phil's plight *our fight*
by MWOHLER＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Breaking into girlfriend's files
by arromdee＠blaze.cs.jhu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Black Unicorn: >Person A requests information. >Person B says no, because the use of the information is unsound in person >B's view. >Censorship? You tell me. Not unless person B is trying to force other people not to give out the information. Failure to release the information himself is not censorship; it doesn't matter what his reasons for doing so are. -- Ken Arromdee (email: arromdee(a)jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) "No boom today. Boom tomorrow, there's always a boom tomorrow." --Ivanova

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Re: IPSP and Netscape
by Phil Karn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <94Dec13.08.6313(a)qualcomm.com>, you write: |> Privacy and authentication are also provided by IPSP. However, IPSP |> provides all sorts of advantages -- immunity from traffic analysis, no |> requirement to change the way an application operates to start using |> it, protection of the entire IP stack (not just TCP sockets), very |> minimal changes required to applications that want to use the |> information provided by the IPSP layer for authentication (and no need |> to change your read or write calls or anything), etc, etc, etc. Uh, I don't see that IPSP provides any automatic immunity to traffic analysis. It does make certain kinds of fine-grained traffic analysis a little more difficult. E.g., you can't tell what upper level protocols are in use, and if you share a single SAID between each host pair you can't tell which or how many users are sharing the path. But you can still tell that the hosts are communicating. If you use IPSP in the IS-IS tunnel mode, you could help protect the identities of the end systems on each end, but again you can't hide the fact that the ISes are talking. Something like IPSP *could* serve as the basis of an anonymous forwarding IP network analogous to the existing anonymous remailers, but this would take a lot more work. And you could generate bogus filler traffic between a pair of IPSP hosts to help cover the real traffic between them. Phil

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Re: Breaking into girlfriend's files (Uni Doesn't Get It)
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> From: Dave Mandl: Could you send me some powerful handguns and silencers? Oh, and while you're at it, give me all of your addresses and precise travel schedules for the next two weeks. As an "amoralist," I'm sure you won't put short term morality before my long-term goal. Thanks. >From Uni: I fear what you request would probably violate many laws. Providing you with weaponry has little to do with providing you the information you might need to obtain and modify such weapons as you will need. ......................................................... Uni, if the laws did not reflect your own moral stand regarding the uses of technology, would you nevertheless not have any personal thoughts at all on the matter? Laws come from the mind of mankind, you know, not vice versa. (Unless, of course, one is mindless and absolutely needs someone else's decisions to guide their moral reasoning.) .. Blanc

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Morality masks technical ignorance
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by rishab: I always thought the emphasis on this list was on _technological_ rather than _political_ or _legal_ or _moral_ means to protect privacy and free expression - including the current limitations. ....................................................... So Rishab - do you think there's any good reason why governments shouldn't require the implementation of key escrow (GAK) (I mean, aside from what something like the US Constitution would have to say about it), or any good reason why any cypherpunk should protest it? The key words in my inquiry are *reason why*. .. Blanc

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Premier Rae of Ontario
by lmccarth＠freya.cs.umass.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A week or so ago I incorrectly referred to Bob Rae as the Prime Minister of Canada, when he is in fasct the Premier of the Province of v Ontario. As a former resident of OttOttawa, I'm well aware of the division of Canada into provinces. I misunderstood not the nature of the office itself, but rather the identity of the individual involved. I appreciate being corrected, but now I *have* been corrected, I really don't need any more mail about the issue. Thanks BTW this message is full of typos because I'm using a typically lousy terminal emulator program on dialup from a PC to a Unix system, which does not offer any support (AFAIK) for the crucially-important backspace key/ character. Suggestions on any sort of packasge offering an improvement would be welcomed. The ones I have now offer me heaps of fancy features I never use, and hold my hand through many parts where I don't need it. Incompatible standards sauck. This is very annoying so I'm getting out now. (Not signing because this connection is terrible) - -L. Futplex McCarthy - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLwKLzyoZzwIn1bdtAQEDwQGAje19PbaItVp7+fGPu7k/81IWixDxKsEE GKfVfoSKLxpLfGXv6cW2Vd9vSGIqXqxq =c1pZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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