Re: Transparent Email
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Eric wrote:
I am still considering the "sign-or-delay" proposal for the toad.com server, that is, sign your articles to the list or they'll be delayed and eventually rejected.
Do it. Either it will work or it will kill the list. If it works, geat. If it kills the list, we would have failed in our mission anyway. - --Lucky -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6ui iQCVAgUBLtrCYASQkem38rwFAQHTFgP/VrP8GACjMT4amw7Ws1+VP0HftgZUtCGW +xP59b4FDVUuZH/KH0Q0t9eGYyHBqYlhkr3M4eU/149+Q6Jz7u/juOXx5W638UKB Ujz4Mf4MnBHaEU5/famKmFTD/n+dGS2Gzds121SLnW3rmVU2rPcPYBRkvYAQQZ+f Q//TPjhoj5Y= =3+9F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Lucky Green wrote:
Eric wrote:
I am still considering the "sign-or-delay" proposal for the toad.com server, that is, sign your articles to the list or they'll be delayed and eventually rejected.
Do it. Either it will work or it will kill the list. If it works, geat. If it kills the list, we would have failed in our mission anyway.
I second the motion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Terka | werewolf@io.org | public key (werewolf) by Toronto,Canada | dg507@cleveland.freenet.edu | public key server or request ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lucky Green wrote:
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Eric wrote:
I am still considering the "sign-or-delay" proposal for the toad.com server, that is, sign your articles to the list or they'll be delayed and eventually rejected.
Do it. Either it will work or it will kill the list. If it works, geat. If it kills the list, we would have failed in our mission anyway.
Yes, do it! Do it now! Do it tonight! I spend too much time reading this list as it is, so this new requirement will actually mean *less* time spent in e-mail, as I'd have to leave the list. Go for it! You see, I'm reading with elm (on-line) or Eudora (off-line). And not always both. It depends on what I'm doing. (Standard request: Please don't send me advice on how _you_ are happy with Slackware Linux v.3.845 running pine 3.4 on your Pinto-um box. Or how you run PGP on your campus machines. Etc. I'm happy that you're happy, which ought to be enough.) I have little means of solving the Netcom-Macintosh-elm-Eudora issues, and I don't see others solving them especially cleanly or usably, so I expect that the "sign your messages or else" dictum would have a predictable result, for me. And isn't it up to the _readers_ to decide if they don't want to read my messages because they think I'm not being diligent enought, or because my messages appear to be forged? Isn't end-user choice the core of the Cypherpunk ethos? "You can't be an anarchist....your messages aren't formatted according to the rules." Can we get back to reality? --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Cypherpunks list: majordomo@toad.com with body message of only: subscribe cypherpunks. FAQ available at ftp.netcom.com in pub/tcmay
I agree with Tim on this. There's no way I'm going to leave PGP on poly's machines with the key right there for anyone who manages to hack into photon or prism (and yes, it has happened) to set up a fake pgp asking for the passphrase to my key. I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net to make signing easy. Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include a built in terminal and mailer...
From: rarachel@prism.poly.edu (Arsen Ray Arachelian) I agree with Tim on this. There's no way I'm going to leave PGP on poly's machines with the key right there for anyone who manages to hack into photon or prism (and yes, it has happened) to set up a fake pgp asking for the passphrase to my key. Your key, singular? Keys are cheap! Everyone should have a bundle. In addition, since I'm not planning on verifying the signatures at the server, you are free to fake them. Of course, if you fake them, you'll have to set up just about the same amount of software as if you used real crypto. Since so much of deployment delay comes from bad architecture, I consider setting up to fake a good thing. Eric
I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net to make signing easy. Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include a built in terminal and mailer...
You can use uqwk to download/upload both news and mail. You can then read/reply with an offline reader like yarn or ReadMail. Yarn has hooks to PGP, so signing a message is a menu choice. Installation could be easier, but once it's done, the combo works very smoothly. -rex
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <TSHtkCDmF54P072yn@netcom.com>, you wrote:
I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net to make signing easy. Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include a built in terminal and mailer...
You can use uqwk to download/upload both news and mail. You can then read/reply with an offline reader like yarn or ReadMail. Yarn has hooks to PGP, so signing a message is a menu choice. Installation could be easier, but once it's done, the combo works very smoothly.
Even better yet use AUTOPGP and everything is signed automagicly. ============================================================================== One of the weaknesses of our age is our apparent inability to distinguish our needs from our greeds. - Don Robinson, quoted in "Reader's Digest", 1963 ============================================================================== skaplin@skypoint.com | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard | outside a Roman brothel. PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | preferred. | Change is the only constant in the | Universe..."Four quarters, please." E-mail key@four11.com for PGP Key or | Finger skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com | Smile!! Big brother is watching. ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLt1qQQpnimeWAf3FAQGyZwP+L/y2RfmvXR923KEL18H//ZBH0BqIp7m2 0E2tnZfQr2ZynF8RIF6JTXV+C1hTMIAjPISyqxCXdFP6ElTqCARgU6HribZY7i/N x6vMJROP6IvunihX0IvFu9ewzSIcldVB4V8hSvAd2x/2gndVl+GTe1UNnz7JDJT3 GnwxIbxAjUo= =U2qH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <7SMtkKjqRa71075yn@skypoint.com>, you wrote:
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In article <TSHtkCDmF54P072yn@netcom.com>, you wrote:
I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net to make signing easy. Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include a built in terminal and mailer...
You can use uqwk to download/upload both news and mail. You can then read/reply with an offline reader like yarn or ReadMail. Yarn has hooks to PGP, so signing a message is a menu choice. Installation could be easier, but once it's done, the combo works very smoothly.
Even better yet use AUTOPGP and everything is signed automagicly.
Any idea as to where I can get a copy of AUTOPGP? I'm a YARN user but would like to check it out. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLt4Csa+YbMzawbu5AQEF7wQAxC9BxtvE4UPKQae3ti6eKfbvOCFBDAJJ v4nip8rYlZOfSd1TwjW0x1qwLwYtbthJ2ISzVaoLTgpEfpo+E8sNs49qHGtZwiSz yLJQuM7x+VN12hg0CACiPZCd6BK6evi5ZvfU4lwToJGABrhxPpteG6dUEkEdtRkU 6+dAoqNtCyI= =2LQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
participants (8)
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eric＠remailer.net -
Mark Terka -
rarachel＠prism.poly.edu -
rshea＠netcom.com -
shamrock＠netcom.com -
skaplin＠skypoint.com -
tcmay＠netcom.com -
werewolf＠io.org