December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CONTROL FREAKS (nee, AIDs testing and privacy)
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>But it is also the case that industrial countries, when they fall on hard >times tend to fall back on an authoritarian "bread and circuses" approach to >governing. Fascism in 1930's Germany was one such govenment. The current >government was unable to deal with the financial and social problems and so >reactionary elements were able to seize control of the government and impose >their own brand of totalitarianism. Few note how much the world has changed since the 1930s, however. In order to be able to pay its secret police and welfare clients, the US government has to borrow about $12 Billion a *day* (averaging National Debt financing over time). In addition, the economy is depedent on quite a bit of domestic and foreign investment. A totalitarian takeover here would make financing this debt very difficult and cause capital outflows on a scale never before seen in human history. As James Carvil (sp?) (Slick Willie's campaign manager) says - "When I die, I want to be reincarnated as the Bond Market so everyone would be afraid of me." DCF Hillary to Bill: "Why don't you play a game of solitaire?"

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Privacy 101 digest on WWW
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- With permission, I am automatically digestifying and archiving the "Privacy 101" seminar & teach-in that Duncan Frissell and Sandy Sandfort are offering and making the digest available via WWW. To reach the WWW digest, point your browser at http://www.iquest.com/~fairgate/privacy/index.html. - -Paul - -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | Demand that your elected reps support the perobich(a)ingr.com | Constitution, the whole Constitution, and Not speaking for Intergraph. | nothing but the Constitution. ### http://www.intergraph.com ### -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLnBu0afb4pLe9tolAQGLlwP9El77wi7RoDBGbHVxH0de3RMKY2JbnvOi 17EwaltSp2DWwZ/QZd5vK5Lc2ClIYJsXTZ1rr4LrDXXs7lF8mKJqFoLSwerRADGH giJdWSzqm5I+hAP/XrbwiuwG9IU6oLeLP/rox+M2snb5J2elSWh42/84AuuKwOpX eJmeBe8b4RU= =rkjR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto, Tech, and Choice
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a valiant attempt to link the libertarian political debates of recent days to the stated purpose of this list... The future social environment will offer more than adequate challenges for everyone; but libertarians should have an easier time of it than the surviving advocates of "social justice." People -- bless their little hearts -- are different. If you give each person a pile of cash as high as their eye and more than 1,000,000,000 things to spend it on, they will go out in as many directions as there are people. Students of human individuation (see "Free & Unequal" by Roger J. Williams) have discovered the obvious fact known to all mothers that babies are different even before birth and they continue to get more different as they develop into adults. Computers (the first consumer product produced by nanotechnology), the Nets and the modern business environment, are collectively involved in a full-scale test of the above premise. In spite of complaints from the "Generation of Whiners," the current expansion of wealth and choice will be surpassed by the (very near) future explosion of wealth and choice. People with money, information, opportunity, and choice are *going* to choose. They are not going to let themselves get pushed around by others. Oh sure, for a while old habits may restrain them from directly challenging traditional mechanisms of control but if they have the money and the choices of things to do with it they won't be held down long. This change will occur is because "the young" and "outsiders" (foreigners) will ignore traditional restraints (since they haven't internalized them) and explore the full range of choices available to them. If you take an animal out of a cage, it may observe the non-existent bars for a while and pace back and forth but it will eventually discover that it is free. And most of us are smarter than animals. The only hope for control freaks to continue to control us is to restrain our range of choices. They can't count on mere words or traditions to bind us. But the range of choices continues to go up. Trade is way up. Wealth is way up. International travel is way up. Migration is way up. Resource prices are the lowest in human history. Communications costs are way down. Electronics costs are way down. We are in a zero or negative inflation environment. The quantity and quality of goods and services offered on the markets is at an all-time high. The percentage of the world's countries headed by dictators is the lowest it's ever been. What all this means is that political philosophies that depend on force of arms to push people into line, will increasingly fail to work. Rich people with choices will, when coerced, tend to change their investments and business affairs into a friendlier form or to move to a friendlier environment. Choice is real. If choices exist, they will be made. An ever higher proportion of the world's people will be "rich" in wealth and choice as the years go on. Only a political philosophy that depends on the uncoerced cooperation of very different people has a chance of functioning in the future. I, obviously, have an idea as to what that philosophy is. DCF "You can horsewhip your Gascony Archers you can torture your Picardy Spears. But don't try that with the Saxons or you'll have the whole brood round your ears. >From the highest Thane in the County to the lowest chained serf in the fields they'll be on you and at you like hornets and if you are wise you will yield."

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CONTROL FREAKS
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Alan Olsen still thinks totalitarians can succeed in industrial countries. He wrote: ... But it is also the case that industrial countries, when they fall on hard times tend to fall back on an authoritarian "bread and circuses" approach to governing. Examples, please. Fascism in 1930's Germany was certainly NOT one such government. National Socialism, of course, had its "bread" aspect, but their were no "circuses" in the Roman sense. While Bread and Circuses is one technique to keep a population in line, it is quite separate from the military/police state method chosen by the NAZIs. In any event, NAZI Germany supports the proposition that modern totalitarianism, by its nature, must be short lived. How long did the "Thousand Year Reich" last? ... We have the control freaks just wating to gain the power and more waiting in the wings. They have the money and they have the technology.... "They," again? I thought it might be "them." The Illuminati, right? Or is it the Trilateral Commission, the Jesuits, or the CIA? Who are these control freaks who "have the money and ... the technology"? Jeez, and some call me paranoid for being a privacy advocate. When I wrote, "There will be some temporary, local setbacks in the coming years, and have some mopping up to do, but we've already won." Alan responded: Don't be too smug yet... There are people in power who have not figured out that totalitarian states cannot survive.... Logic and reason have nothing to do with the "thought patterns" of these people. Roadrunner logic. Wiley Coyote runs over the edge of a cliff. Miraculously, he is suspended in the air until he makes the mistake of looking down. Only when he becomes aware of his predicament does he fall. My point still is, the totalitarians don't have to figure out anything; their "thought patterns" are irrelevant; reality still rules. They will not survive. Besides, it is not their money they are spending on this. It is yours. Are you sure they're spending *my* money? With each advance in privacy technology, they have less access to *anyone's* money. As far as I have been able to determine, the only thing that you can do with a control freak is to kill him before he obtains any position of power. (Or wrap him in duct tape and feed him lots of Thorazine(tm).) Or, with a little ingenuity, you could structure your life so you could just ignore him. Living well is the best revenge. S a n d y "Who finds he needs to spend far less time fighting the Great Enemy, than educating the nattering nabobs of negativism." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Need ride from SF
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I need a ride to the CP meeting. Can pay for gas. Send email or call my VM at (451) 435-7939 Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP public key by finger

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Bumper Stickers
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally got around to calling the number that was posted along with the announcement of Williams and Macias' bumper sticker printer stock of a few weeks ago. They were quite willing to send me samples of it :-) When it shows up, I'll take it for a 'test drive' and let you all know how it turns out. Their number is 1-800-310-0890, if you want to play with it yourself. Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM public keys and fingerprints. Unencrypted Email may be ignored without notice to sender. PGP preferred. Remember: It is not enough to _obey_ Big Brother; you must also learn to *love* Big Brother.

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pgp key servers
by Tom Allard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- What's up with the key servers now? My last request (to pgp-public-keys(a)io.com) was finally bounced after a week. I tried to finger @wasabi.io.com and was told "Connection timed out". - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 09 Sep 94 08:55:15 -0500 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)io.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 1 week The original message was received at Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:37:02 -0500 from newfed.frb.gov [198.3.221.5] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- pgpkeys(a)wasabi.io.com (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: <pgp-public-keys(a)io.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- pgpkeys(a)wasabi.io.com... Deferred: Connection timed out with wasabi.io.com. Message could not be delivered for 1 week Message will be deleted from queue ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from newfed.FRB.GOV by pentagon.io.com (8.6.5/PERFORMIX-0.9/08-16-92) id IAA07205; Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:37:02 -0500 From: m1tca00(a)FRB.GOV Received: from FRB.GOV by newfed.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02381; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:36:52 EDT Received: from mass6.FRB.GOV by frbgate.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03293; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:34:46 EDT Received: from localhost by mass6.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14292; Fri, 2 Sep 94 09:34:44 EDT Message-Id: <9409021334.AA14292(a)mass6.FRB.GOV> To: pgp-public-keys(a)io.com Subject: get 0x8467D261 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 09:34:43 -0400 - ------- End of Forwarded Message rgds-- TA (tallard(a)frb.gov) I don't speak for the Federal Reserve Board, it doesn't speak for me. pgp fingerprint: 10 49 F5 24 F1 D9 A7 D6 DE 14 25 C8 C0 E2 57 9D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLnBvuKAudFplx0TNAQGJHwP+OqwSKkZeUMPCzXTJ0l0Qbv1MqxTIOlQP 4WkmtVXLd5f7BXrKwhQn97eGPu30Ghaq8IojpV1erRghAEeBYKmE6s82as4s/fAg ghyChlO6v52xsKM9UOophcY6pkAOWp128J8I8rwK0apinuzV0AE90sdtxssJWOrT SMNQ9PZAU68= =a/bq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FORWARD
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Quick item re cellular encryption
by NetSurfer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was parsed off Edupage - anyone know what type of encryption they are using? -NetSurfer BEWARE CELLULAR CONFIDENCES Lawyers who use cellular phones to discuss private matters with clients are increasingly turning toward encryption technology to protect confidential information. Boston-based SafeCall, a company that guarantees secure cellular conversations by routing the calls through its scrambler, says its largest and fastest growing contingent of customers is lawyers. Meanwhile, a six-step set of how-to instructions for turning a Motorola flip-phone into a cellular call receiver was posted on the Internet. (Wall Street Journal 9/1/94 B1)

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Introduction: Telephone traffic analysis
by f_griffith＠TITAN.SFASU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>They track and compare the frequency of calling patterns made by the targets. >Now they know the "calling circle" of the targets. They expand the tracking >pattern and start looking for cross overs. Tom Clancy in _Clear and Present Danger_ has a description of the CIA doing something like this to the Columbia drug cartel.

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