December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - From the node of anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com: : : I want to propose that a change to more of a Snow Crash society : with anarcho-capitalism as the norm is not necessarily being : _caused_ by pressures listed above, but, rather, fit a grander : historical destiny. What we are seeing and will see in the : Not necessarily to the EXTREME that Stephenson predicted, but I definitely see alot of what he said already starting to happen. Hell, look at the Burbclaves. Lil' old Indiana, PA had their first drive-by shooting a few months ago. Some of the growing gang-warefare influence is starting to spill over from Pittsburgh. Once people get a little more frightened of violence, the engineered community idea is going to explode. Now take that with private and corporate police forces and ... BINGO! Snowcrash. : Consider the possibility that the dissolution of large, : centralized federal republics is also inevitable. (The : Frissel/Sandforth Optimists have been arguing this exact point.) : The decentralizing effect of digital networks (or Webs a la Hakim Bey) is pretty self evident. One can easily extrapolate the effects of a structure like the Internet, a structure that by nature routes around any form of 'censorship' from above. - ----- Doc doc(a)phobos.lib.iup.edu aka Mark Rogaski http://www.lib.iup.edu/~rogaski/ Disclaimer: You would probably be hard-pressed to find ANYONE who agrees with me, much less my university or employer... [finger fllevta(a)oak.grove.iup.edu for PGP Public Key and Geek Code v2.1] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLxMZ/R0c4/pqJauBAQH8LwP+PrvNhKJVEzmhZVcuvkNMLmGWWgyflAlh PxvR5BtJHBpE/oNqB3TVOywt9eJYeIV7L7BSboIFosEyqC4OEFS6WRTAJpWhPg8L L9CdvhaDKubnTteBEtugEtU1HB3iJ+zRucJYUVit0bBwCimcqvr/aTMab7h4Yqw9 uKJPulSTg/w= =jdlE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- Doc doc(a)phobos.lib.iup.edu aka Mark Rogaski http://www.lib.iup.edu/~rogaski/ Disclaimer: You would probably be hard-pressed to find ANYONE who agrees with me, much less my university or employer... [finger fllevta(a)oak.grove.iup.edu for PGP Public Key and Geek Code v2.1]

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Why use plastic for remailers and DH?
by Angus Patterson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This point may have been raised before, but anyway, unless you're using a swiss-bank issued credit card for a numbered account (if that's at all possible), or a bogus name on the card, why would anybody want to use something as completely traceable as a credit card to pay for a remailer or a data haven?

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Keep Out Electronic Availability Announcement
by John.Schofield＠sprawl.expressnet.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Keep Out The Journal of Electronic Privacy January 10, 1995 ** Keep Out Volume 1, Number 2 now available electronically ** ** Keep Out Volume 2, Number 1 coming soon ** ** FREE sample issues available ** I am pleased to announce the electronic availability of Volume 1, Number 2 of Keep Out, the Journal of Electronic Privacy. To receive a copy, simply send e-mail to keep-out-current(a)expressnet.org. The subject and body of the message do not matter. You will receive an ASCII-text copy of the issue in reply to your message. You can also do a Fidonet file request to 1:102/903 and request VOL1-NO2.TXT, or call the Sprawl BBS at +1-818-342-5127 and download it. Volume 1, Number 2 had stories on the Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) signature bug, a how-to story on anonymous remailers, an interview with remailer operator Erich von Hollander, and of course, a continuation of our PGP beginners' series with an introduction to digital signatures and the web of trust. While Keep Out is primarily a paper magazine, the text of each issue is released electronically to make sure the information is disseminated widely. This information is too important to limit it to those who can afford a subscription. I am sending this message instead of posting the full text of Keep Out because the electronic edition contains the same commercial advertisements that the paper version does. It would be inappropriate to post it here. To encourage people to subscribe, and to ensure that Keep Out remains solvent, the electronic edition is released roughly one month after the paper version. It seems to be the lot of new magazines to have deadline troubles. Keep Out has unfortunately been no exception. The second issue of Keep Out was released quite late. To bring the magazine's date of issue back in touch with reality, the next issue (Volume 2, Number 1) will be dated March/April, and will be released in paper form on February 27. For that issue, we are working on a review of steganography software (programs for hiding data in sound and picture files), an in-depth report on Tempest technology (which allows an eavesdropper to view your computer screen from a distance without using wires), a story telling the current state of the government's Clipper (wiretap) Chip initiative, and a continuation of our PGP for beginners' series. To receive a free, sample issue of Keep Out, with no strings attached, simply send your postal address to one of the addresses below. You will receive a copy of the next issue when it is mailed out. Keep Out's mailing list is completely confidential. No information about you will be released for any reason, except for court orders, of course. Subscriptions to Keep Out are $15 a year for six issues in the U.S. and Canada, $27 elsewhere. Back issues of the first two issues (Volume 1, Numbers 1 and 2) are available at $7 each inside the U.S. and Canada, $9 elsewhere. U.S. funds only, please. Unfortunately, we can not accept credit cards, but checks and money orders payable to "Keep Out" are welcome. _______________ Contact Methods Voice: +1-818-345-8640 Fax/BBS: +1-818-342-5127 Internet: keep.out(a)sprawl.expressnet.org Fidonet: "Keep Out" at 1:102/903.0 Snail Mail: Keep Out P.O. Box 571312 Tarzana, CA 91357-1312 USA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 Comment: Call 818-345-8640 voice for info on Keep Out magazine. iQCVAwUBLxL5+Wj9fvT+ukJdAQEeMgP8DG/x1JtkES7yEXyW67xOXiC/GPSn29ru eeBgjp7Otqc4HVH46fJBe14zoSAfkgVuQUesOxtsVBUAVT6MS/SICr/i+Wrig6lS k2LbokBD9GIihRVDG20XSkqfo3Uw7GBevFEJClCR7T5+rglnbVP8j+bXhumXBtAv y8wU0yYwaD8= =jZNP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... "Happiness is a warm puppy," said the anaconda. --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 -- |Fidonet: John Schofield 11:310/12 |Internet: John.Schofield(a)sprawl.expressnet.org | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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Jay Leno
by cheap_anonymous＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tonight on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Leno said: "...why is O.J. writing a book? If he's so eager to tell his experiences, whisper it to Connie Chung." Thought it might be mildly humerous for those of us who read Tim's message about Connie. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLxNjBioZzwIn1bdtAQGEzQF/XkfPjWrW2kbgpYLB6Gf1EiNXEJTwKW1l mtuAnfhbSHsXPDIvv4IzGoAof2qlsd2v =66P/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Pornography, What is it?
by root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > You seem to have missed where I say that I don't agree with this > line of reasoning. I tend to believe that the first amendment means > what it says. (I.e. make no law.) But the fact of the matter is that > the people who make the law think differently, right or wrong. > I understand, I just don't think most of the folks out there against porno are interested in constitutional rights. They don't see them as relevant to their day to day lives. You might call it a sort of cult of personality which is using religion as the head. Also, the 1st Amendment says that Congress shall make no law, it doesn't say a damn thing about the states doing it. When I read this amendment what I see is the founding fathers saying it is up to each state to decide for themselves. And since Congress is placed in charge of inter-state relations it is quite simple to reduce this to mean that States may not apply their standards to other states because they would then be acting in the place of the federal government. > >I understand what you are saying, what I am saying is the distinction is not > >used in practice. The bbs operator in Cali. that was busted in Tennessee was > >busted for delivering PORNOGRAPHY (not obscenity) to a minor (in short a 14 > >year olds account being operated by a oinkdroid.) > The key word here is 'minor'. Minor have nowhere near the rights > that adults have. Try banning the sale of pornography to demonstrated > adults. > Yes, but at no time was it proved that a mindor DID d/l the file only that they could. Big distinction to me. A oinkdroid did the d/l'ing by playing like the 14 year old. To me this is entrapment. > I think you misunderstand. The First Amendment places restrictions > upon what the States may do. The States are free to make such > laws or NOT. Some don't. Most do. > The 1st. Amendment says nothing about what the states can do, only Congress. > It's all very well and good to say such things, but this formulation > of liberty has no reasonable basis in Constitutional Law. The > Bill of Rights does not encode Mill's On Liberty, as much as you > might like it to. > Then I suggest you read the 9th and 10th Amendment. The 9th says the states will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. The 10th says the federal government will NEVER get it unless there is a Constitional Amendment. > Huh? Obscenity has to do with freedom of speech, not action. It's > an exception to the First Amendment, not to some general class > of liberties. Depictions of anal sex are typically not considered > obscene. The act of anal sex is often made illegal, but that's an > entirely separate issue. It is made illegal because it is considered obscene. You seem to be skirting the issue here. And since when is speech not an act? There are a whole list of things included in the freedom of speech issue (ie freedom of the press) that clearly implies that speech is one kind of act. > > >Also, the whole concept of community standards is unworkable. Whose community? > The community passing the law. Last time I checked such cases were tried by 12 peers, this hardly qualifies as community by any definition. It is not like they take a vote of all the people in the community of voting age (which they should). > > > Look, you can make general arguments about the way that you think > that your liberty should be, but the only legal basis you have > for claims that you have the freedom to do something is the > Bill of Rights. I'm arguing from that basis. > As am I. I base each and every one of my beliefs about how this government is supposed to be run on that document and that document alone. It is not the supreme law of the land for nothing.

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Re: Thoughts on Data Havens
by pstemari＠erinet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:30 AM 1/10/95, jpb(a)gate.net wrote: > ... Post a new PGP key and encrypted address block weekly to alt.data.havens, >alt.2600, or a stegoed picture to alt.binaries.pictures.whatever. If you >are limiting usership, perhaps an autoencrypting majordomo list. ... Still, messages intended for the DH could be identified by the publically known mailer address. Some sort of protocol where each message to the remailer results in a new and different encrypted send-to block being returned to the sender would seem to be required. Avoiding traffic analysis on these messages would require you to place a new and different encrypted reply-to on each message chunk. > ... It would also be a good idea to only allow DH >commands to be executed if the encrypted (mandatory) control message arrived >from another remailer account ... I was assuming this--on the basis that the DH would not want its location know to the presumeably large number of clients. --Paul J. Ste. Marie pstemari(a)well.sf.ca.us, pstemari(a)erinet.com

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Suggestion for remailer operators.
by nelson＠crynwr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you want to run a remailer fairly safely, insist that all outgoing mail be encrypted, and put an X bytes/day limit on destinations other than other remailers. Why? Because that way you can't use it to post to Usenet (other than to annoy people a little with unreadable postings), and you can't use it to mailbomb someone, and if the recipient doesn't decrypt the message, there will be no possible offending content. -- -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | What part of "Congress shall make no law" eludes Congress?

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Odd bits, minutinae...
by Philippe Nave 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Would *I* abstract an internal communique for a bunch of net.riffraff? Surely not - you must know me better than that... [...stuff...] Search done for Message: <<< BELL LABS NEWS >>> - ---------------- >>> ENCRYPTION -- This week, Bell Labs reported development of the AT&T Information Vending Encryption System (IVES), a security system that protects commercial information services -- such as video on demand, home shopping and banking -- and electronic news and alerting services. Using chips designed by Bell Labs and VLSI Technologies, IVES works on various networks including the Internet, cable TV networks and direct satellite broadcasting. The first application of IVES is in set-top cable television boxes being built by AT&T for Cablevision Systems Corp., the nation's fifth-largest cable service provider. By employing secure cryptographic addressing, IVES will assure that only paying customers receive enhanced pay-per-view and video-on-demand services. "There have been effective attacks on most, if not all, video encryption systems, despite highly sophisticated countermeasures," said Dr. David Maher, chief scientist for AT&T Secure Communications Systems. "Hackers are dedicated and can be well funded. Incentives are rising rapidly." [...stuff...] Dedicated? Definitely. Well-funded? Hmmm. This item is something for your acronym-scan parsers; will IVES become interesting? (If not IVES, what of CURRIER? Whoa- it was a joke, officer - CURRIER and IVES, get it? Oh, shit.) Search done for Message: <<< BELL LABS IN THE NEWS >>> - ---------------- >>> DNA -- In a bold experiment that provokes investigators to reconsider what a computer is, a researcher has used the genetic material DNA as a sort of personal computer. The experiment's designer, Dr. Leonard Adleman, translated a difficult math problem into the language of molecular biology and solved it by carrying out a reaction in one-fiftieth of a teaspoon of solution in a test tube. Adleman, of the Univ. of Southern California in Los Angeles, used DNA to solve a problem that involved finding the shortest path linking seven cities. Molecular computers, Adleman said, are fast and efficient, and they have unheard-of storage capacities. He said molecular computers can perform more than a trillion operations per second, which makes them 1,000 times as fast as the fastest supercomputer. And they can store information in a trillionth of the space ordinary computers require. "It's a very intriguing idea," said Ron Graham, of the Bell Labs Information Sciences Division at Murray Hill. "It's more than just cute. It makes you think in a different direction." (from the Denver Post, Nov. 22, '94) [...stuff...] Hmmm. Have you ever been spied on by your own metabolism? ..... YOU WILL. Then again. maybe not. FYI. -Philippe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLxN0uQvlW1K2YdE1AQHMGAQAu5S0T9xUPsdY8SfB0k43bE2BNL5pb1OE FAg7qjbJ1ugZw0EPDrGFBH7sjq2GHBhyXwgBrlL5j2oAVnnGL2+3QtrcyxIEsrXA 42ME+1JaOQo5+pclCjOrxF00MDoqGdw7hMLexGyawOs7zp+RGDrhPUkMG7ennpky 8QEfrFh8yYU= =pI4l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ........................................................................ Philippe D. Nave, Jr. | Strong Crypto: Don't leave $HOME without it! nave(a)abacus.dr.att.com | Denver, Colorado USA | PGP public key: by arrangement.

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Re: Why use plastic for remailers and DH?
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Angus Patterson writes: > why would anybody want to use something as completely traceable as a > credit card to pay for a remailer or a data haven? Apart from what Russ Nelson observed, safety in numbers is potentially great. If, say, 15% of the net.populace does it, then it won't be terribly interesting to know that some particular person has done it. I suppose a transition period would be helpful, in which credit card-financed bandwidth is increased with a load of low security traffic. -L. Futplex McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLxOAC2f7YYibNzjpAQHFxAP9EphOcjL96QDuuJQ7eFLv/I3Ci0K6NkMI tg9bUODYUMVqHs/2dTm8YhxNgOmx90uDb9MPx+EDDrtFZDAT9AIs8GQf1OdsyPrh Hg9PDIB4jT+JMfY3zqERePW+0Ac5TWoxQto0uQH8lRRWvNcp0R7N/sdYOwIRRTK8 o5BGm0wyJHg= =qt2F - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLxOBOyoZzwIn1bdtAQHAXAF+Jcfrh9xhfx7MlS6oK5Cfu4E96P+rOuGW Xto/oQG7HcqAbl2adr0zyMQnfh4alDgk =FtZw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Getting on the list
by John Draper 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I've been trying to get back on the Cypherpunks list now for over 3 weeks. IS anyone out there on the list that has the power to get me added. I tried the usual request to cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com, but haven't been sucessful. Who is maintaining the list these days? Does it still exist? And why haven't any of my requests been hohored? thats honored... Thanx John D.

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