December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Black Net
by Graham Toal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: Does anyone actually believe Blacknet exists this is about the umpteenth time : I have heard about some kind of Blackmarket internet traders that are very had : to find. It sounds like something out of that Gibson book "Virtual Light" : Reuben Halper I guess there's a lot of new people on this list :-) Why don't you post something here with this key then... [wasabi.io.com] -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCPAixusCEAAAEEAJ4/hpAPevOuFDXWJ0joh/y6zAwklEPige7N9WQMYSaWrmbi XJ0/MQXCABNXOj9sR3GOlSF8JLOPInKWbo4iHunNnUczU7pQUKnmuVpkY014M5Cl DPnzkKPk2mlSDOqRanJZCkyBe2jjHXQMhasUngReGxNDMjW1IBzuUFqioZRpABEB AAG0IEJsYWNrTmV0PG5vd2hlcmVAY3liZXJzcGFjZS5uaWw+ =Vmmy -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Type bits/keyID Date User ID pub 1024/A19469 1993/08/15 BlackNet<nowhere(a)cyberspace.nil> 1 key(s) examined. See what sort of reply you get. Heh heh heh. G (Tim, don't go to bed early tonight, you might be getting some mail...)

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Re: Banyan vine use by US Marine Corps...
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: I don't know how I got onto this list, or many others to which I seem to : suddenly belong, but I'd be eternally grateful if you removed me from this one. What's probably happened is that someone has forged a subscription to a mailing list or two in your name. This is a fairly common net prank. Who have you annoyed recently? G PS The chances of catching the person from the mailer logs of the various lists you have been subscribed to is small but it's worth asking the people in charge if the original subscription request can still be found. Often there will be clues in the header as to where the forgery came from. (Eric, are you listening?)

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BlackNet
by Tommy the Tourist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The Herd Instinct & Response to Authority
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Tom Allard "This shows that, in real situations, people will follow herd instincts and obey orders." Herd instincts: of following together in large numbers, what the rest of the cows are doing or go where the rest of the herd is headed. The experiments on test subjects were done with individuals who were not aware of what others were doing in the same situation, so they could not have been imitating anyone's behavior. So it was a demonstration of something else, that being mostly their state of ignorance, or their deficient knowledge (of morality, of pain, of the meaning of what they see, hear, etc.). I would suspect that this was because they grew up without sufficient opportunity to exercise independent judgement or develop their own self-directing abilities. I think "herd instincts" are in the eyes of the beholder. >From Jeff Davis: (from an earlier post) "I am prone to action on instinct." [so he said...] "We better be DAMN careful who we put in authority in this country." Blanc

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Safeway + Your Privacy
by an3747＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <0097D140.1B631720.2317(a)Leif.ucs.mun.ca> Bill Garland <bill(a)kean.ucs.mun.ca> wrote: > Hey, we have already inadvertently given great power to a centralized > government. We - many of us - well, some of us, well, er, I'm sure > at least Tim May and myself, are just trying to get some of it back, > and not to give them any more. No, you must be thinking of someone else. Tim May acts to _strengthen_ government. Why, just the other day he boasted about _voting_ for them: In Message-Id: <199404140800.BAA23572(a)mail.netcom.com> he wrote "Understand that I actually _voted_ [in a government election]... " Voting in their elections is right up there with petitioning them or accepting money from them as their justification for being. When they're challenged, they need only point to these constituencies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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slow.penet.fi
by This Space For Rent 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've found anon.penet.fi to be VERY slow lately, remails taking on the order of 3-5 days, which makes it impossible to use. Of course, like the rest of them, it's free and a service to the Net and a needed utility, so I'm not going to complain. However, it has forced me to look elsewhere and find faster ones... I did write to help@ and ask if there was a problem...for the general benefit of cryptogensia everywhere, here's the reply I got: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:34:47 +0200 (EET DST) From: Mari (Black Panther) Sepp{ <zarr(a)gamma.hut.fi> To: This Space For Rent <afabbro(a)umich.edu> Subject: Re: Slow Remail > How long is mail from anon.penet.fi supposed to take? People were > telling me that it was taking a while, so I test e-mail myself something > on 10:00AM local time on the 8th. Just received it at 4:30AM here on the > 10th, which means it took nearly two days. Is this normal? Some users have flooded the server with hundreds and hundreds of messages. That slows the server down greatly (posting and e-mailing times up to 3 days). Some messages might have even disappeared because these hundreds of messages fill up the diskspace and there is no more room for new messages. Be patient. Sorry about the inconvenience, Zarr Andrew Fabbro If laws are outlawed, weltschmerz(a)umich.edu only outlaws will University of Michigan have laws. Fnord. _____________________________________________________________ Finger afabbro(a)churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu for PGP public key. PGPprint: 87 41 65 E0 C2 51 9F E5 A9 44 ED A6 6B 16 76 9E NSA bait: assassinate uranium dreamland CIA p.o.e. zimmerman

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Re: Remailer Musings
by greg＠ideath.goldenbear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jamie Lawrence writes: > >From: juola(a)bruno.cs.colorado.edu > >On the other hand, part of the rules of being a common carrier are that > >one is *required* to cooperate with appropriate authorities to prevent > >this sort of abuse and to catch said abusers if/when it happens. I > >suspect that Mr. Templeton's lawyer could make a case that by setting > >up a remailer where one cannot "trace calls," one is violating the > >requirements of being a common carrier, and thus is responsible for > >content. > I wonder how this would jive with the factoid someone on this list (don't > have the original handy) found a while back about the court ruling in favor > of the right to operate under an alias in (constitutionally?) protected, at > least in terms of publishing, etc.? I remember the case happening in L.A., > I think. Anyway, what are the odds a case could be made that my 'anonymous > identity' "fooperson" is a legal pseudonym? Stretching it some, but a > possibility, and one case where similarities with publishing can work in > favor of privacy. This sounds like the quote/cite I posted recently. (Talley v. Calif., 362 US 60, 64-65). The LA City Attorney suggested that the ordinance (which prohibited distribution of handbills without a "true name and address") was intended to prevent fraud, false advertising, and libel - but the ordinance was not drafted to mention those evils, and there was no legislative history presented to support that reading. The majority opinion and Harlan's concurrence explicitly declined to rule on the constitutionality of a more narrowly drawn ordinance which would have addressed those concerns while protecting publishers/distributors from fear of reprisal against unpopular opinion. In any event, the opinion is 34 years old, and I don't know shit about the First amendment. I passed that on to the list not as a statement about what the law is today, but as something to keep in mind next time Detweiler or one of his cohorts mentions that "only criminals think anonymity is good." On the other hand, I'm curious about Brad Templeton's little excursion into the [limits of] liability for electronic publishers. I wonder if he'd consider himself liable if he unwittingly published copyrighted material without permission. Does anyone have a cite to support the notion that common carriers are obligated to assist in the identification of users of their services? I received annoying phone calls for a period of time, and the local phone company (US West) said they'd only get involved once I had an "incident number" (or some such) from the police department, and that information gathered would only be released to the police. I suppose if I actually filed a civil suit against the harassing party (even as a John Doe?) I could then use the discovery process to compel them to release their relevant records - but that's not really the scenario that Brad and 'kitten' seem to imagine. Also, seems like Mike Godwin mentioned last time we talked about the common carrier stuff that one doesn't just become a common carrier by virtue of wanting to be one, or even by acting like one - I think some sort of legislative/administrative action was necessary ..? It's been tossed around on the net that 'UUNET is a common carrier' - a semi-recent post from Tamara Bowman, UUNET staff member, said that UUNET has "enhanced service provider" status, which is not the same thing. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbSXq33YhjZY3fMNAQFJ3wQAiIe8z1A91OPnogT0cibgR/7ZWZGRm36Y S9Lf261OFio5itX8XQEwu6OFToCUwE89mqAT0uG3BqZj4z9pqOACaR6rgXvVYvES ximoWVSvbnyg6/M0iOT8L2I6WFFPS7rlhC1MdCYPou/MX8R45PNcQgQLNDrEbwCi QzomVJslOYA= =dMjm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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re: Sgt Russell
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sgt Darren Harlow writes: > Wayne, > I am sorry that my being on this list is offensive to you. I joined > this list to learn about cryptography. If anything, I would think that you > would want to help a new person get up to speed. If you can't grow up and > treat other people like human beings, maybe you ought to take yourself off of > the list and go play with your private key by yourself. > My job is important to me. Learning about cryptography is going to > help me protect my systems and my messages. I have no desire to eavesdrop on > what you or anyone else is doing on this list. I merely want to learn, and > possibly contribute to the threads on the list. I have received several > responses from people on the list and really appreciate that. I hope this > helps to clarify my position on this list. I don't see any reason why sgt. harlow shouldn't be as welcome as anyone else on the list. there are a large number of people in the military, and any generalization drawn about them is likely to be false (of course all generalizations are false, but that is another matter). for those who enjoy paranoia, I would point out that sgt. harlow is not the only person on this list with past or present military associations. josh

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Re: Remailer Musings
by greg＠ideath.goldenbear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lefty writes: > I believe it was stated (correctly, according to my understanding) that one > may use any pseudonym, as long as the intention in using it is not to > commit a crime. I believe the standard is "intent to *defraud*". > Copyright infringement _is_, like it or not, a crime. Only in some cases; and that's not fraud. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbSZqH3YhjZY3fMNAQFjZwP+NEGnXgS56yTJXPS64bOD1zmIPoeIx4q4 B8ffh2uEUPyDg3uq/cjLPCrVZX49squK9KP+ynA5afnydMRuHhRbge3s+4R5Fa7J /+F3Z/aE1m5g7AdxGsx6rK9OGYSVnkgXuDoYFGdTKskI8DTb8ixUjaewc2vwZHFx SXxt3HMZXLs= =MGS5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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My Key(s), FWIW
by David Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For What It's Worth (damn little, I suspect :-), here's my PGP public key; 'finger' me for verification/fingerprint/RIPEM. Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM Public Keys and Fingerprints -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCNAi12VeYAAAEEAOqndSk+w1iAtW1nJDtdajTZEZEOuMjeKoFbXWuMK8H93Ckx Ba6c0Z8+STXtscP2WWKwRUVcrM0iZa2X4/7Z/Brl31aaA4DT6AVoxet3CLY0JUfi FciusBFCfPB6wfDdwABLZAzTd49YDyWI/Fq0MlNJ3JAeTFwhPeJ9eOnzcfP1AAUR tCVEYXZlIE1lcnJpbWFuIDxtZXJyaW1hbkBtZXRyb25ldC5jb20+iQCVAgUQLZxj 0Jmg14VGv4TFAQFNsQP+JdRjafESlDYmLvgmQqxZUE90lct/EIy5C8sIDT7vFt1f FI5PLtFg1xlxl8thrBjfff9GYKOt2WSw6Uw144OCNnIw5l93QR3ueSXWmHqowJ6c Hp8batrO/X3InNj6IDx6bolZzv6+lBz2XimE2SvYXCdU+7OA4CYxMQ6nfPwErdU= =h8jX -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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