December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

PGP in Wall Street Journal
by peace＠BIX.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PGP and Phil Zimmermann are featured on the front page of today's (Thursday) Wall Street Journal. Anyone interested should get a copy and read it.

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Directory of 'punks
by Jim Sewell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thank you for the preliminary (<2 hrs) response to the posting. I have not gotten a "that's a bad idea" letter yet of the 7 replies so I will assume this is a "Good Thing" tm. In the interest of the mailing list volume I ask that you hold your information for now. I will certainly accept "it's a bad idea" mail. I will put together a format for replies and post it to the list and anyone interested can fill in the blanks and mail it back to me. I'm going to take my time and try to think of any useful information so we only have to do this once (good for you and me). Look here for the survey and email it back if you want to be included in a list of c'punks. Also, please let me know if there is anything you DON'T want included and I will honor that as well. Thanks for your comments, I'll keep the list informed of what I know when it becomes available. Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Jim Sewell Amateur Radio: KD4CKQ P.O. Box 2310 Programmer Internet: jims(a)mpgn.com Key West, FL 33045 C-Unix-PC Compu$erve: 71061,1027 (305)293-8100 PGP via email on request. 1K-bit Fingerprint: 8E 14 68 90 37 87 EF B3 C4 CF CD 9A 3E F9 4A 73

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Re: spooks on cypherpunks
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for the hot fucking tip, Sparky. What was your first clue? I suggest you not only learn to live with it, you learn to compete at their level. You can ftp my Psychological Warfare Primer for Online Activists at ftp.eff.org /pub/EFF/Issues/Activism/psychwar.primer You have the right to free speech, and you have the right to dissent. Use it or loose it slick. Imagine some spook taking a shit in a public restroom. They're human. And they fuck up regular as well. -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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re: Directory of 'punks
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 10:28:40 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Jim Sewell" <jims(a)Central.KeyWest.MPGN.COM> > >With tools like a "press kit" and a directory of members we will >become viewed as a cross-section of America, citizens with a >point of view shared by many, contributors to the general welfare >of society rather than a bunch of fanatical computer geeks ... Well, that leaves me out, but at least I'm not a pencil-neck (17.5"). tw

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Carl Ellison
by mech＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have Carl Ellison's new eaddr? It's important. Thanks. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist F O R M O R E I N F O, E - M A I L T O: I N F O @ E F F . O R G O P E N P L A T F O R M O N L I N E R I G H T S V I R T U A L C U L T U R E C R Y P T O

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Re: RSA-129
by Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger wrote: > "Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi" says: > > Now let's see, where's my slide rule, let's see 5,000 mips years > > at $30,000 /mips = damn, where is that calculator. :-) > > $30,000/mips? Huh? You haven't gotten out much in ten years, have you? Sorry, we're in Canada, eh. Loooonies, eh. And you wonder why big-iron sales are bleak?? Quote of the week: IBM unveiled it's new line of mainframes before an audience of 300 customers at a Toronto hotel. Over heard at the bar: " I never realized, there were OTHERS, I thought we were the only ones !! "

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Re: AT&T, Clipper, & Saudi Arabia
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Can we please confine paranoia to reasonable areas -- like AT&T's sales > of secure phones to the government? The U.S. government has a very long > record of pushing American products against foreign competitors, such as > Boeing versus Airbus. I have great respect for you, Steve, but in this case I must humbly disagree with you. The US government does have a very long record of promoting US products for foreign sales, but it is certainly rare for the President himself to get involved so publically. Do you really think that selling 50,000 secure phones would be _that_ attractive to AT&T? It would certainly be attractive to the particular business unit in charge of selling them, but not nearly as attractive as the promise of help in the future. > Of course, there is a quid pro quo here -- but it's Clinton reminding the > Saudis about Desert Storm. Considering that the Saudis paid for a large fraction of the monetary cost of Desert <foo>, and that they have made or attempted to make substantial FMS and civilian purchases from the US, they very well may feel that they have discharged their debt. I think it's reasonable to visualize a conversation in which the administration promised to "help AT&T in the future" in exchange for AT&T's adoption of Clipper. It certainly may not have been as blatant as my satirical letter, but that doesn't make it less plausible. - -Paul - -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | Out the 10Base-T port, through the router, perobich(a)ingr.com | over the leased line, off the bridge, past Intergraph Federal Systems | the firewall... nothing but net. Of course I don't speak for Intergraph. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLb/UACA78To+806NAQFltgP+ILjjQTG2EOlnj9+csJHC5q8v2cwXwaUo Y5MMShgVShUB4xe3knS6UPShEW2YemGGzvfWWIO+O1hgiXLWKbxclnRB/UCgne4G J+0TJzwZGu6WxD/IEoOMvFkFisJauqpeL4uP7DgaWtAcV5LeBg4mKoTgxGvZaE7i r4nNBLkJdI4= =IB4g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Directory of 'punks
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry writes: >"Jim Sewell" says: >> >> Thank you for the preliminary (<2 hrs) response to the posting. I have >> not gotten a "that's a bad idea" letter yet of the 7 replies so I will >> assume this is a "Good Thing" tm. > >Here is my vote for "its a bad idea". Cypherpunks is NOT an >organization. Leave the organizational fronting to people like CPSR >and EFF who have good PR people and know what they are doing. They've >done a great job thus far. > >If we want to answer blowhards who claim we are a small number of >nuts, we can just show off the Time magazine poll. Yeah, what he said. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: Directory of 'punks
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Keep in mind, anyone can 'who' the list from majordomo and get a list of who is subscribed. You face the assumption that you are a pencil-necked geek who was too busy doing your trig to attend Woodstock. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) <- Annonymous posting gets more and more interesting.

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your WSJ article, today
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bravo. Good article. Except: "What will they do when people start encrypting messages to each other?" suggests that this isn't happening. I've been routinely encrypting e-mail since 1981 -- including overseas traffic. Still -- good article. Thanks. - Carl P.S. We need to establish that publishing an article on an FTP server or via an e-mail newsletter is, in fact, publication according to the first amendment. This may be the wrong case to establish that precedent but it needs to be established.

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