December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Black Net
by killbarny＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone heard of BlackNet? BlackNet is in the business of buying, selling, trading, and otherwise dealing with information in all its many forms. Through PGP and anonymous remailers, the folks at BlackNet plan to create a huge black market in data: trade secrets, processes, production methods, nanotechnology, privacy databases, and chemical manufacturing. The only way to get in is to find a BlackNet-oriented message (one with the BlackNet PGP key), then respond to it, using anonymous remailers and PGP. It might be found in <alt.extropians> or <alt.fan.davidsternlight>. If anyone knows about this [or their address/key], please send.

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re: Sgt Russell
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just wondering, but if Sgt. Russell is kicked off the list, how will we ever convert the military? Don't we want them on our side in the coup? Smiley to taste, Phil

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Banyan vine use by US Marine Corps...
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a reply to Sgt. Harlow's message about Banyan Vines: Of all the methods the military uses, they are all jammable by one means or another given enough effort, right? There's no totally non-blockable means of communication available to the military or civilian sectors, is there? Trying to get back on topic, Phil

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Re: Remailer Musings
by juola＠bruno.cs.colorado.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ed Carp sez : I understand your objections, but think about it this way: nothing in the world says that you have to put a return address on the envelope. Nothing in the world says that you have to present any form of ID in order to drop a letter into a postal box. Sure, the postal inspectors have to "cooperate", but if you drop a letter with no return address into a box, how could they trace it back to you? Are people going to say to the US postal folks, "hey, it's *your* fault that they didn't put a return address on their envelope!" I think not. Yes, but that's not what anonymous remailers *do*. Anonymous remailers accept mail that comes in an envelope *with a return address* and repackage it in a different envelope without a return address. So, yes, in a way, it *is* the analogical Post Office's fault that the letter arrived without a return address. Similarly, I think that anonymous remailers, like the post office, ma bell, etc., are common carriers. You can't have it both ways - either you are a common carrier and exercise no editorial control over what goes through your remailer, or you are a publisher, and are held to a certain degree of legal responsibility. But if one is a common carrier, one is required to assist. The whole remailer paradigm is designed to prevent such assistance. Therefore, by running a remailer, you are stating that you are *not* willing to assist the appropriate authorities, i.e. that you are not a common carrier. Or so a lawyer could claim. - kitten

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Re: Black Net
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:02 PM 04/19/94 -0400, killbarny(a)aol.com wrote: >Has anyone heard of BlackNet? BlackNet is in the business of buying, selling, >trading, and otherwise dealing with information in all its many forms. The most recent Phrack (45) had an ad from them. If this is not what you saw (and you think the info you saw is not related to the phrack bit), let me know- I was assuming it was a wet dream of a few 15 year olds.

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Side question on money laundering...
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This may sound like a stupid question to most of y'all, but Tim brought up the Internet Casinos concept in one of his statements following-up to the money laundering thread, so I thought I'd ask: Given that even I, in my isolated little backwater of South Louisiana, find myself withing 20 miles of a casino, is it possible that the market is saturating to the point where an internet casino would not neccesarily be a good idea? If there is real anonymous untraceable digital cash for money laundering with, will "real" casinos see their profits decline as digital money sucks away that part of their business? PHil

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Re: cryptophone ideas
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lady Ada writes: >The ideal phone might be based on CPU's, RAM, and DSP's, with no >DES chips or anything like that. Have you seen the prices of used original NeXT equipment lately, or just the prices of single system boards from back in the 68030 era? Anyway, why do you need a DSP? I have read in several places that DSP's are going to be "replaced" by the CPU as time goes on and the CPUs just get more and more powerful. Phil

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Re: Milgram & Authority
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: lefty(a)apple.com (Lefty) Subject: Re: S Milgram & Authority Response >said: > > We better be DAMN careful who we put in authority in this country. Really? When was this, precisely? Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) March/April 1976- I'd just gotten divorced and the bullet hole in my abdomen was healing quite nicely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbRekV/ScHuGXWgVAQE10AQAz7y6jFSZ42OuCyrSAcc7LrNjNq4hcay9 Yg6nmJD/DxOBX4Nl4y8qATD+7TDX9KBX0QFy18i7JUvU9oMU2cAYVq3ZOrB8CaZv PIfkU7uK7KgRP0oYyUop+Ea1Wfa+/QLrKFyKhwW1xRN3RMmWfxNRfkunMxXUng9P EW1Cz4RezKQ= =3/1J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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Re: Warrantless searches -- A sign of things to come?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are there any lawyers that can comment with certainty? I'm not qualified to answer this point. (I did post since it was my original point that is being referred to. My opinion is that a landlord can not further limit that which the state laws protect... but that is opinion) <- The test to distinguish a Leasehold from a License is whether the control exercised by the occupant over the premises is so great as to make the occupant a tenant, or so small as to make the occupant a licensee. Key factor inculudes the intent of the parties in determining the the consequences of the landlord tennant relationship. _Cook v. University Plaza_, 427 N.E.2d 405 (Ill. 1981). The intent is usually determined by the language of the agreement and the focus is on certain key words that estlablish a leasehold. ONLY A TENANT HAS A POSSESSORY INTEREST IN THE LAND. Thus: Only a tenant can bring actions like ejectment, tresspass, nusiance. One should note that arguebly the Fair Housing Act does not kick in until one has a possessory interest in the land and the relationship can be characterized as a landlord tennant one. Private clubs, dwellings for religious purposes and others are exempt from the act. Public housing commissions may adopt "desirability standards" to determine elgibility, but this right stops short of discrimination even to the extent that criminal records, while they may go to desireability, may not be used as a bar from public housing. _Manigo v. New York City Housing Authority_, 51 Misc. 2d 829 (1966). There is upon the tenant a duty not to use the premises for Illegal purposes. (Gambling, prostitution etc.) Argueably this might include violations of the Chicago handgun laws, but the connection between possession of a handgun and the use of the leasehold estate seem to me, thin. At the very least, the presence of a leasehold brings about basic protections and non-discrimination protections in particular into existance. The license that a student may hold upon a dorm does not trigger such protections under landlord tenant law, although remedies may exist elsewhere. Because a leasehold is partly a conveyance and partly a contract, the denial of the Right to possess firearms in general is unenforceable in so far as it constitutes a infringement upon the constitutional right. Such a prohibition in a license agreement, while not per se legal is at least not protected in the same way. The move of property law to a theory of contract, that is the move to allow the private parties of landlord and tennant to agree on issue s normally separate from a housing agreement, does not enable the tenant to give up certain rights. "When owners grant rights of access to their property to others, they are not unconditionally free to revoke such access." 40 Stan. L. Rev. 611 (1988). "Property rights serve human values. They are recognized to that end and are limited by it. Title to real property cannot include dominion over the destiny of persons the owner permits to come upon the premises." _State v. Shack_, 58 N.J. 297, 277 A.2d 369 (1971). In so far as restrictions in a lease include rights that can be estlablished by state or federal constitutions or other law, they are unenforceable. -uni- (Dark)

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re: Banyan vine use by US Marine Corps...
by SGT=DARREN=S.=HARLOW%ISB%MCTSSA＠nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, the means are jammable. However, if the network is jammed, there are other ways around this, that really can't be discussed within this forum. Sgt Darren Harlow - Computer Security MCTSSA, Camp Pendleton, USMC Internet: harlowd(a)nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil or another less reliable & slower: harlow(a)mqg1.usmc.mil Voice: Comm: (619) 725-2970 DSN (Autovon): 365-2970 Fax: Comm: (619) 725-9512 DSN (Autovon): 365-9512 PGP Public key available upon request "The views expressed are my own, and always will be..."

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