September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Eyewitness Account Of The WTC Attack: A Hard Rain By Jonathan Wallace
by Matthew Gaylor 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

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Cypherpunks and terrorism
by Nomen Nescio 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

The terrorist attacks present a real-world situation which has ties to the recent discussion about morality. What are the roles of we who provide technology that aids terrorists as well as honorable people who seek the shield of privacy? Do we bear a share of the responsibility for the deaths and other consequences of terrorist attacks such as we have seen today? Today, remailer operators are shutting down their services. Why? Do they feel shame and guilt at providing a service which could foster destruction? Maybe they should have thought of that before deciding to run a remailer. Or are they merely fearful of being blamed for the attacks or their aftermath? That would be a rather cowardly action, to run a service which can cause harm but to run and hide as soon as the heat is on. (Thankfully, a number of remailer operators continue to courageously offer their services.) It is likely that the effects of the attack will include restrictions on American freedoms. Since the attacks were all carried out by hijacked airliners, chances are that this is where security will be focused. Increased security checks for passengers and employees are a certainty. There may be some additional measures with wider implications. Perhaps we will finally see a national ID card which must be carried at all times and shown on demand to law enforcement personnel. Workers in sensitive industries may have to go through more stringent background checks. At this point there is no indication of any significant Internet component, so it is not too likely that we will see new restrictions there. The net result is a decrease in the freedom that we all cherish. This is a paradox. The technologies we support can lead to violent actions which end up hurting our goals. The question we must all face, then, is whether we are doing more harm than good? How much good do remailers and encryption do, balanced against the harm which they can cause? We should all reflect on this. We must be sure that our actions promote our goals and not set them back.

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Re: FC: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers offline
by Greg Broiles 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

While it's understandable that people want to avoid being swept up in hysterical backlashes against people involved in this morning's terrorist activity, it's worth remembering - especially for people interested in aiding law enforcement - that a lot of investigations begin and move forward with anonymous tips which are later corroborated by witnesses willing to testify. Given the clear indifference for human life shown by the terrorists, the ordinary witness-protection steps taken by law enforcement may not be comforting enough to allow aiders and abettors of this morning's actions to report their knowledge with confidence - so it may be more important than ever that the remailers continue to operate. Given that, does anyone have any tips for compiling the current Mixmaster release under FreeBSD or OpenBSD? The make fails for me on both platforms - it looks like a failure related to the recent integration of OpenSSL into the standard BSD distributions, which I've been unable to remedy thus far. At 01:17 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >Status: U >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:42:22 -0400 >To: politech(a)politechbot.com >From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> >Subject: FC: Anonymous remailer operators start to take remailers offline >Sender: owner-politech(a)politechbot.com >Reply-To: declan(a)well.com > >[From a remailer operators mailing list. The discussion arose in response >to the attacks. --Declan] > >******** > >From: Len Sassaman <rabbi(a)quickie.net> >Subject: status of randseed >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) > >Randseed's been taken offline, as a precautionary measure. All mail >currently destined for randseed will be bounced. > >We'll be back online at sometime in the future > >******** > >From: "J.Francois" <frenchie(a)magusnet.com> >Subject: Opinions on Operations due to bombings. >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:46:37 -0700 >Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate > >I no longer run an anon remailer but I still operate a public proxy. > >By now everyone is aware of the bombings here in the USA. > >So, do we suspend anon communications channels during the crises or do we stay >operational. > >Opinions? >-- >Jean Francois - JLF Sends... >Once at a social gathering, Gladstone said to Disraeli, >"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some >vile disease". Disraeli replied, "That all depends, Sir, upon >whether I embrace your principles or your mistress." > >******** > >From: Len Sassaman <rabbi(a)quickie.net> >Subject: Re: Opinions on Operations due to bombings. >To: <jlf(a)magusnet.com> >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm not concerned that the remailer network is, was, or will be used by >the actual terrorists. What concerns me is the assholes who will >inevitably send bogus threats, tips, and other noise to various news >groups, federal offices, and officials. > >I don't want to get caught in the middle of this. I'm sorry. I'm currently >unemployed and don't have the resources to defend myself. At this point >in time, a free-speech argument will not gain much sympathy with the feds, >judges, and general public. > >And investigators don't need more noise to sort through. They'll have >enough as it is. > >I'd like to see remailers continue operating. But this needs to settle. >I may put mine into middle, mix only mode if I feel up to it.. > >******** -- Greg Broiles gbroiles(a)well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

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Less talk, more action
by attila! 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

This is not the time to "investigate" and "blame" --it's time to turn Iraq into a glass parking lot and Afghanistan into a cinder. It takes less than 30 minutes to re-target and deliver the ordnance... I'll settle for the Casablanca Inspector: "round up the usual suspects". Anything less than a dramatic response of 'shoot first and ask questions when there is silence' is insufficient. Bin Laden may have been capable of placing the hijacking teams, but Iraq is the clear beneficiary. Bin Laden may get revenge, but Saddam gets an opening. A ground war against Iraq's legions would be foolish --the Gulf war was won against his hordes by pulverizing them with carpet bombing and demoralizing them --by the time our troops moved, there was virtually no resistance. I'm automatically ruling out North Korea (not capable); Iran (enough problems of their own and not capable of sustained action); Russia (not in their best interests); and China (could not afford the economics of war). Bin Laden is bent on revenge, and Saddam is a megalomaniac who does not care if his people are targeted. If Bush fails to take a dramatic step, eg: incinerate Baghdad, then the talking heads will be playing Neville Chamberlain; the UN will "condemn" the action while accusing the US of creating the conditions which brought on the attack; and, Iraq and the rest of the Arabs, etc. have the opportunity to play counter-threats.... If the US waits to retaliate, the Arabs will show a united front --if Iraq is gone before they can even start to argue among themselves, there will be muted satisfaction in their governments that Saddam's head was finally delivered on a platter. If the retaliation is fait accompli, nobody has time to comment --and no-one, other than perhaps the Syrians will mourn the loss of Baghdad. If Iraq is not permanently neutralized, they will power strike across Jordan and Syria into Israel --at that point, the Israelis will preemptively nuke Baghdad. From a strategic standpoint, it would be far preferable for the US to do its own dirty work than accept world opinion that the US was either a) too impotent to clean its own mess; or, b) that Israel was the pawn, thereby uniting the Arabs. We probably have upwards of 20,000 dead in NYC alone; now is not the time to be squeamish about collateral damage in foreign targets. Lastly, what the US does in the first hours will determine the US' ability to prosecute the action in its entirety. Today we determine whether or not America has the will to survive. If we falter, the whole world will kick us when we are down --eg: the third vision begins. Make us proud to be Americans, George...

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Slashdot | Our New Pearl Harbor
by Jim Choate 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

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by Cesar Quisumbing 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

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11 Sep '01

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11 Sep '01

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Re: World Trade Center (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Clay Shirky <clay(a)shirky.com> To: Steve Sapovits <SapovitsS(a)globalsportsinc.com> Cc: Kelley <kelley(a)interpactinc.com>, Steve Sapovits <SapovitsS(a)globalsportsinc.com>, Mr. FoRK <fork_list(a)hotmail.com>, fork(a)xent.com Subject: Re: World Trade Center > I'm amazed that an orchestrated attack of this nature could > be pulled of and could *continue* to unfold though. There > was a severe intelligence hole here. Watch for evidence that encrypted email was involved. Then watch what happens during a state of martial info-law. -clay http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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Bombs In Kabul
by Jonathan Wienke 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

CNN is reporting some kind of air attack happening in Kabul, Afghanistan. No one seems to know if this is a retaliation, or just part of the civil war going on there. An ammunition dump is on fire near the city. FWIW

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