September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Economic effects
by Steve Schear 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Just thinking about what the US Postal Service, Fed Ex, and UPS are doing to keep themselves going. steve

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EMI samples new digital security ('digital rights mgmt')
by Dynamite Bob 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

EMI samples new digital security By Gwendolyn Mariano CNET News.com In an effort to prevent unauthorized copying of music files, EMI Recorded Music said Tuesday it will begin using security from BayView Systems that offers a new twist on the burgeoning technology known as digital rights management. Unlike competitors that use encryption or watermarking techniques to prevent copying, San Francisco-based BayView Systems has designed its Duolizer technology to essentially split music files in two. A large, main file, called the Flexible File, is stored on the listener's hard drive, while a smaller file, called the Secure Stream, is stored on a password-protected server, controlled by the content owner. Listeners enter the password to have the smaller file streamed and listen to the song. The two files are combined while the song is played, but otherwise remain separate. The company said that the owner's rights are preserved because end-users never have a complete [Ed note: fnord] copy of the music, regardless of the number of times the file is shared. <snip> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010912/tc/emi_samples_new_digital_securit…

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Re: Cypherpunks and terrorism
by Sean Roach 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

At 12:27 PM 9/12/2001 -0400, Sundar wrote: >... >Fucking troll! If anything, you have a lot more in common with those >responsible for this atrocy than you do with any freedom loving citizen of >the USA. Or for that matter any cypherpunk. > >This was an attack against our liberty. Against our freedom. Perpetrated >by those who hate liberty and would love to enslave their countries under >severe religious laws. They hate us most of all because they believe our >freedom is what makes us "The Great Satan" > >And you sir, are spewing the very same agenda they are. I suggest you >turn yourself in to the FBI this moment for the terror monger that you >are! He probably did, along the lines of Sir, it didn't work. Personally, I think we should INCREASE crypto over this. Put a crypto imbedded radio in the planes control electronics, with the key known only to the FAA, and existing only for that flight. If there are flight problems, hit a switch from the tower and take over the plane from the ground. Either instruct the autopilot to land at a pre-determined contingency location, fly it by remote from a simulator, or blow it up before it can be used as a battering ram. The former two useful for on-flight emergencies too, such as an unconsious pilot. Something else to consider. Knockout gas in the passenger compartment and a solid door between passenger compartment and cockpit. Also, why are we putting so many clerks in a handful of offices anyway? Isn't this supposed to be the age of the paperless office? Shoot, this time next week, 3-inch pocket knives are going to be on the proscribed list for commercial flights, when the opposite should be true.

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Re: Cypherpunks and terrorism
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> wrote : > >On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:00:46PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: >> Some terrorists have exactly this as their goal. They are hoping >> to trigger a counter-reaction, an over-reaction, by the authorities. >> They want to see a crackdown on liberties, a police state. This will >> weaken the enemy and demoralize him. It will increase hostility and >> make the population less willing to support the government. > >This is nonsense. I suspect the bin Laden want the U.S. to stop >handing Israel billions of dollars a year in aid and weapons. Not >bombing pharmecutical plants and lifting an embargo that kills >hundreds of thousands (allegedly) of Iraqi women and children might be >a nice move too. > >-Declan > What they want is not what they will get. The US will be more united in aiding Israel, bombing industrial ( and other ) targets and starting new embargoes. Not only that, the approval of other nations will be more easily garnered. As dramatic as yesterday was, it was a poor move. Mike I still feel sad when I remember the videotapes of perfectly good B-52's being chopped.

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Faith Groups Respond To "Attack On America"
by FaithandValues.com 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

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Coordination, maximizing terror, hypotheses (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:49:13 -0500 From: Jeff Bone <jbone(a)jump.net> To: Robert S. Thau <rst(a)ai.mit.edu>, fork(a)xent.com Subject: Coordination, maximizing terror, hypotheses * The timing of the WTC attacks is extraordinary, and points not only to a high degree of coordination but also to a keen sensibility in planning the mission. Consider: if both planes had hit the buildings simultaneously, there would've been very little footage of the second attack. Too little time between the attacks and there would've been less coverage and no real-time horror; too much time and the alert status might've been such that the second collision could be prevented. * The targeting of the second attack may be a subtle pointer to state involvement. I understand that the part of the Pentagon that was hit houses the nerve center for the Army's worldwide logistics command. It appears that this part of the building was intentionally targeted, as the plane apparently performed an overshoot-and-return maneuver in order to line up with the south side of the building, whereas it could've gone into the opposite side with no such maneuver. A small, highly-mobile group of perps wouldn't be concerned about damaging the Army's logistical capability, as any retaliation would like be air-based or, if ground-based, a smaller strike squad with separate / minimal logistical concerns. Crippling Army logistics might have been a strategic consideration designed to minimize the ability to mount an immediate, large-scale, ground-based response with traditional forces. Further speculation: this may point away from Afghanistan / Taliban involvement and more towards Iraq or Iran, for the reasons noted earlier re: the difficulty of mounting a ground-based invasion of Afghanistan. * Our own forces may have shot down the plane over Pennsylvania. Dick Armey was giving an interview last night, and after being asked leading questions by Wolf Blitzer he started making comments about being given a classified briefing with information specifically about that plane. The interview was then censored, with sound edited out for about 30 seconds. I think this could well be an "open secret" that the media has been let in on but gagged about in order to minimize public backlash / confusion. Other indications also exist, in the news that's coming out about where and when fighters were scrambled. This is clearly speculative, but a possibiliity. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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Re: The 4th Airliner Shot Down?
by John Young 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Choate wrote: >There was also several eye witnesses that said the first tower was hit by >a missile... I watched on TV a guided missile hit the second tower; this was replayed again and again. Then I saw Kallstrom on TV saying there was no missile, but that "we knew it was not if but when." Though he said "we didn't foresee it exactly this way." I changed my TV-eye-witness testimony immediately, never saw a missile exploding inside the tower. What I saw were two tall buildings collapsing exactly the way intended, without identifiable cause. CIA is working on reenactment that will show there was no lack of intelligence, no reason to suspect anything other than an accident, despite the ususal paranoid ravings. Why, for example, would jet-qualified pilots become involved in terrorist actions? Bin Laden had a jet pilot, trained in the US, who ferried bin Laden's jet from the US to Sudan. After a while he tried to quit the job but a Bin Laden aide threatened the pilot's family. The pilot pondered that then went to the US Embassy to cut a deal to confess what he knew in exchange for getting a new life in the US. We know from the Egypt air crash that some pilots are cooperatively suicidal when their families are at risk.

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12 Sep '01

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FC: FBI pushes Carnivore on network providers after attacks (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:17:03 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)politechbot.com Subject: FC: FBI pushes Carnivore on network providers after attacks http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46747,00.html Anti-Attack Feds Push Carnivore By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)wired.com) 2:00 a.m. Sep. 12, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- Federal police are reportedly increasing Internet surveillance after Tuesday's deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Just hours after three airplanes smashed into the buildings in what some U.S. legislators have dubbed a second Pearl Harbor, FBI agents began to visit Web-based, e-mail firms and network providers, according to engineers at those companies who spoke on condition of anonymity. An administrator at one major network service provider said that FBI agents showed up at his workplace on Tuesday "with a couple of Carnivores, requesting permission to place them in our core, along with offers to actually pay for circuits and costs." [...] Microsoft's Hotmail service has also been the target of increased federal attention, according to an engineer who works there. "Hotmail officials have been receiving calls from the San Francisco FBI office since mid-(Tuesday) morning and are cooperating with their expedited requests for information about a few specific accounts," the person said. "Most of the account names start with the word 'Allah' and contain messages in Arabic." [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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