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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Ber
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Beroff wrote: >Wait a sec. Maybe I'm confused. I thought you were talking about >mass-mirroring the *content* of key sites, not just the URL pointers. > >I would imagine that a small committee would have to "edit" by >suggesting what should and shouldn't be included; one must realize >that if the final file is too large, people will be discouraged from mirroring. Yes, Gilmore's proposal was to mirror the contents; URLs threaten no reg-makers. Yep, mirrors of everything would be very large. We've heard already that folks would like help in knowing what to mirror if they can't do large archives, or can't easily decide which are most important. My advice so far: mirror whatever you can until better advice comes forth. Prime need: many mirrors of the strongest stuff, especially anything above 40-bits, that is anything that now requires a US export license (which appears to be where Wassenaar wildebeests and the domestic US is being stampeded). What would help is a list from experts on what are the most gov-enraging programs. We'd like to offer a few of those on jya.com, to test BXA's up-and- running crypto-enforcement program, maybe get some jail and trial pleasure, it's been too quiet on Bernstein, Junger, Karn, et al, a deliberate gov-stall, awaiting Wassenaar.

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Re: What was the quid pro quo for Wassenaar countries?
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One thing which came to me recently when I was trying to figure out what sort of gun the US held to the rest of the world's head to get them to agree to this: Could the Wassenaar outcome have been a sign of Echelon in action? Consider this: Delegates from each country have been travelling to Vienna for some months now to negotiate their countries position. During the negotiations, they'll be contacting their governments via phonecalls carried over microwave trunks, satellite links, or undersea cables to discuss the progress of the negotiations and what position they should take. Just like the negotiations which lead to the Five-Power Treaty in 1921, if one country had the ability to intercept all the other countries communications it would know how far they could be pushed, and where the most resistance was likely to come from, allowing greater amounts of "persuasion" to be concentrated on them. I can't think of a more appropriate application of Echelon (use worldwide surveillance technology to perpetuate the usefulness of worldwide surveillance technology), and it would go some way towards explaining the very peculiar agreement which was reached. Peter.

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Re: Quick ping about Surety Technologies
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:17:17 -0500 (EST) From: <Somebody> To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: Re: Quick ping about Surety Technologies > *That*'s interesting. Haven't heard it before. If you want, I'll bounce it > around. If you would, that would be interesting. The patent info on their web site includes: Method for secure timestamping of digital documents. U.S. Patent No. 5,136,647, issued August 4, 1992. U.S. Patent Re. 34,954, reissued May 30, 1995. The initial patent issue covers a variety of fundamental technology and algorithmic components of digital timestamping. More specifically, the claims cover: * Any use of an outside party's digital signature to timestamp a document. * The "hash-and-sign" method in which the outside party receives the one-way hash of the document to be timestamped. I distrust software patents, but even that aside, these sound really broad to me. More info at <http://www.surety.com/patent_overview.html>. <snip> <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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cypherpunks press
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The 29 January New Yorker has an article "Hackworm" that discusses the Mitnick-Shimomura-Markoff echoing cypherpunks lack of sympathy for the Markoff-Shimomura P.R. extravaganza. Article ends mentioning cypherpunks and John Gilmore specifically, discussion of crypto politics, while not entirely toe-ing the cypherpunks party line, an enhearteningly informed and rational treatement. [An altavista search reveals the New Yorker is at http://www.enews.com/magazines/new_yorker/, but they don't seem to put the entire issue online, and parts of the 15 January issue is what you get when you click on "current issue"]

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 02:28:18 -0800 > From: x <x(a)x.com> > Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin > Walls > >1. What is the point of the obfuscation? If it's not legal to do it > >openly, then it's certainly not legal to hide the fact your doing it. > >"The accused did it in such a way as to demonstrate that he was aware > >of it's illegality". > > the point is not to hide anything; the point is to expand, arbitrarily (and > this was a trivial example), the f() that takes bits from a controllable > image to one that is not. In other words, hide it. A distributed stego hash algorithm. It quacks like a duck. It waddles like a duck. It swims like a duck. It would actualy be criminal collusion and would give the LEA's in the relevant areas the necessary reason (ie probable cause) to act in concert, creating a bigger big brother. Hardly a cpunks goal. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:28:59 +0100 > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) > For longer term it might be desirable to have a site in a crypto- > politics neutral country (one that is unlikely to have crypto laws > in foreseeable future) to which software could be uploaded. > Downloading is then import and not subject to restriction. Where? Where is there a country that has a social, economic, and legal infrastructure of sufficient breadth but liberal views of speech to support such an effort? There are lots of little countries around but they have unstable governments, no economy to speak of, limited telecommunications infrastructure, etc. It's fine and dandy to talk about this in the theoretic but the rubber has to hit the road at some point. There isn't such a country to be had. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's the bottem line issue with Gilmore's RSAREF site. It isn't Gilmore's, it's EFF's. It isn't Gilmore's butt on the line as it would be for person who participate in his call to action. What's EFF going to do to protect those participants? Nothing. What's Gilmore personaly going to do to protect those participants? Nothing. He's asking others to put their butt in the line of fire while he sits safely in a rear area. In effect he's asking YOU to be cannon fodder for his rights. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Gov. archives
by reply＠remail.ecafe.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For anyone who hasn't already, check out http://csrc.nist.gov. There is a ton of groovy government info on such things as: Computer Systems Security and Privacy Board NIST pubs and letters Privacy forum archives RISK forum archives Software Unix security info Secure internet connections Crypto module validation Secure hash standard NBS data encryption Key escrow Computer security roles in NIST and the NSA Secure telephone terminals Too much other info to be listed!!! Also, you can access them by ftp@ csrc.nist.gov, or access their BBS. (cs-bbs.nist.gov) Have fun. Remember, Big Brother is watching!

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FW: Survey Says Kids Feel 'Threatened' By Real Life
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ack, I missed one. Revised: ---------- Subject: FW: Survey Says Kids Feel 'Threatened' By Real Life A survey has suggested that up to one and a half million British children may have been upset by something they have heard or read. The NOP poll shows that one in five of nearly 4,000 children between the ages of six and 16 interviewed for the survey between September and October this year were "uncomfortable" with the state of world affairs. In the UK, 7.2 million children are estimated to be exposed to the outside world - roughly 98% of all children between six and 16. Of those who have had negative experiences while being outside the home, the largest proportion - 40% - had seen something "rude". 'Not surprised' One in seven said they had encountered information that had "freightened them", while 25% heard ideas that "would get them into trouble". NOP Associate Director Rob Lawson described the numbers as a "significant minority". The children's charity NCH Action for Children suggested the survey strengthened calls for censorship to protect younger people. Charity spokesman John Carr said: "I regret to say I'm not surprised by this survey's findings, it's what we have been saying for some time. Censors "Parents need to know their children are learning in safety and security. At the moment, they have no way of knowing that at all." NCH Action for Children, which advises the government on children's issues, backs the introduction of censors - people who filter out ideas unsuitable for children. The survey, called Kids.net, was paid for by Microsoft, the NSA, the GOP, China, and MCI/Worldcom in syndicate. The Department of Trade and Industry's forthcoming review on Thought regulation is expected to be published before Christmas. [satire on news from news.bbs.co.uk]

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Re: Sometimes ya just gotta nuke em
by Jordan Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

#if !defined(perry) From tcmay(a)got.net Fri Feb 2 21:32:22 1996 A land invasion of Japan would've likely cost half a million American lives, and perhaps a million or more Japanese citizen lives, according to comprehensive studies I think are on the mark. Sorry to inject a little scholarly research on this topic, but I would urge those of you who are interested in how this mythology was created and disseminated to do an AltaVista serach for Alperovitz; he's potentially the leading scholar on this subject. I've read his book, and Tim probably ought to as well ... If you read nothing else on this topic, I urge you to check out an interview with him at http://www2.ari.net/home/bsabath/950711.html #endif /jordan

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