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Re: Dr. Vulis' social engineering experiment
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alec wrote: > :Jane Jefferson wrote: > :> The heart and soul of the problem is that "sin", "freedom", "good", > :> and "evil" are abstract concepts which fluctuate from individual to > :> individual. > Not only from individual to individual. > Please consider the changes in the concepts of "sin", "freedom", "good", > and "evil" which occur over time even within the same individual; to > wit the on and off again love affair with our nation's past "enemies; > individual responses to drug use especially alcohol; premarital sex > (ok for me but not my daughter). > This constant flux within both society and individual makes creation > and implementation of rules extremely difficult and hazardous. The idea that "sin" and "evil" are abstract and somewhat arbitrary is merely a human (and therefore faulty) perception. If God can be perfect by definition (for sake of argument), then "sin" is taking one's attention from God's intent and turning to man's intent, which is inherently selfish. "Evil" is the selfish thing you do, when you should do the unselfish thing. These are not that difficult to understand, but are easily twisted by selfish minds. A gentleman wrote to Southern Partisan magazine a few years ago and said "Real freedom is not the license to do whatever you want, but rather the liberty to do what you ought to do".

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Re: ADSL (Was: GSM technology
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto wrote: > > jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: > > A previous poster mentioned that because of the copper wire restriction, that > > they may deploy first in older centers. This would appear to be the case, since > > a Canadian telco (Sasktel) is offering ADSL in Saskatoon for 60$/month with > > unlimited internet access. Saskatoon falls into this category - in my opinion. > > > > I was only is SK briefly over New Years, but perhaps Toto can fill in details. > > James, > SaskTel has, for the most part, always had a monopoly on the telephone > business in Saskatchewan, and used this to keep the phone rates fairly > high. On the other hand, they also used much of the money to position > themselves to keep their monopoly by investing heavily in the newest > technologies. > As a result, they have a lot of fiber-optic, etc., even in the > boondocks, but they also soaked those people $ 6.00 hour for > InterNet access, until Sympatico came in with a competitive rate > of less than $ 1.00/hour, and then they stopped clipping the > sucker/citizens. > SaskTel left the 'upgrading' of the larger centers to last, and > as a result, their 'old' technology seems to be ironically beneficial > to them in being able to offer ADSL in Saskatoon, Regina, and a couple > of other centers. > > Toto

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Micali's rights to lightweight certificates etc.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:28:56 -0400 From: Silvio Micali <silvio(a)sunspot.tiac.net> To: cme(a)cybercash.com, d.adams(a)xopen.co.uk, frantz(a)netcom.com, hallam(a)w3.org, rodney(a)sabletech.com, rsalz(a)osf.org, silvio(a)sunspot.tiac.net, spki(a)c2.org Subject: Micali's rights to lightweight certificates etc. Sender: owner-spki(a)c2.org Precedence: bulk Dear Carl: Last April I was forwarded by Ron (Rivest) the following e-message addressed to you: "[Re: Micali's lightweight certificates with hash chains] The mechanism maybe patented, but who owns the patent? I am aware of claims by two european groups who have payment schemes using a combined s/key and signed cert technique Pghill" As I do not know the context of your conversation, it is hard for me to guess which technology's rights the above question refers to. There are (at least) two possible technologies the question refers to. Let me thus answer it in either case. I would appreciate if you could pass this information to people you feel may be interested in it. (I am trying to CC all the people CCed in the original message, but I am not sure that this reaches all the right people.) RIGHTS INFORMATION My efficient certificate revocation technology is itself based on my off-line digital signature technology. The efficient certificate certificate revocation technology has been invented by me alone. I have filed for patent protection, and the patent is currently pending with the U.S. Patent Office. The underlying off-line signature technology has been invented by Shimon Even, Oded Goldreich and me. The technology is protected by U.S. Patent No. 5,016,274. The rights to this technology are only with me. (The latter technology, among other things, covers the process of separating the signing process into two stages: a OFF-LINE one --that can be performed before knowing what the message to be signed is--- and an ON-LINE one --which is typically performed when one knows exactly what he/she wishes to sign. In the preferred embodiment, in the off-line step, the signer uses the secret key SK of a first, conventional secret-public key pair (SK,PK) to digitally sign the publick key, pk, of a second, restricted but very fast, signature scheme. In the on-line step, the signer uses the second secret key --i.e., the one associated with pk-- in order to sign the desired message. In particular, the second public key, pk, can be obtained by evaluating k times a given one-way hash function on input sk. After doing so, one can sign in an off-line step pk together with a certificate serial number (and other information). Then, in an on-line step, one can sign that a certificate is being valid for at at least i days --where i is between 1 and k-- by releasing the ith inverse of pk; that is, by releasing a value that, hashed i times, yields pk. You can thus see the connection between the two technologies.) Both technologies are available for licensing. If you or someone in your discussion group is aware of a company using either technology, I would appreciate if you could facilitate a contact between me and such a company, so that we can discuss possible licensing arrangements. The Efficient Certificate Revocation Paper is presented in MIT Technical MIT/LCS/TM-542, dated November 95. A better version appears in a March 1996 manuscript. Either version could be obtained from me, if more convenient. Off-Line Digital Signatures also appear in the Proceedings of Crypto 89. A better version can be found in The Journal of Cryptography (1996) 9; pp. 35-67. Any version is also obtainable from me, if more convenient. Hope this helps answering the above ``rights'' question. Thank you also in advance for forwarding the above information to whomever you believe may be interested in it. All the best, Silvio --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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crypto-relevant
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Fascist censorship >Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk >I notice that both my highly crypto-relevant, flame-free article and >Igor Chudov's response to it were rejected by the fascist moderator Yeah, that's kinda weak! I have found a few other posts in the 'Error' list that may not have belonged there. Fascist? I'm not sure that's exactly what we are dealing with here. Hidden agendas, yes. >Sandfart and showed up immediately on the cypherpunks-flames address. > >Apparently Sandfart automatically rejects any submissions with my name >in them. Or he's already dead from AIDS and has been replaced by a 'bot. Now, Dr., that's a little bit insensitive. AIDS is a pretty tragic illness. > >I also notice that John Gilmore's employees from Cygnus Support >are flaming me on sci.crypt and accusing me of homophobia. I'll have to start reading that group, to check up on the agents further. > >Please help expose Cygnus Support as a homosexual fraud. > >--- And I thought this next part was pretty funny. Test test is this thing on? > >From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Fuck Sandy Sandfart >Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk >This is a test. This is only a cocksucking test. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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at least we have some friends...
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +New encryption bill on way +By Alex Lash +January 22, 1997, 8:45 p.m. PT +see http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C7236%2C00.html?nd +Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Montana) next week will reintroduce legislation +aimed at wiping out most Commerce Department restrictions on the +export of software encryption, his press secretary said today. +The new version of the so-called Pro-Code bill, which died in the +Senate Commerce Committee last year after a series of high-profile +hearings, will be unchanged and should have the same support it +gained in the 1996 session, Burns's press secretary Matt Raymond said. +"The language was not something that was arrived at lightly," Raymond +said. "We should have time for a more robust and considerate debate" +compared with last year's unsuccessful rush to get the bill passed, +he added. +Burns, a leading figure on the Senate Commerce Committee, is set to +appear via satellite Tuesday at the RSA Data Security Conference in +San Francisco to announce the bill's reintroduction. +Foes of the Clinton administration's current encryption regulations, +which became effective on January 1, are looking for Congress to +legislate more liberal export guildelines. Last year, the Pro-Code +bill won the support of many key members of Congress who remain in +office and want to modify Clinton's encryption plan. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMucJKr04kQrCC2kFAQGcjwP/cjxEQcxixtx1nEg5lC6cBXK85Ff8FIkn 4x176KJokc4RSD1fNWhJkeHUYi1HCrp6nD4VsNP9Ud3c9rC2XNcGtnTEDAwZ0ikS 03kz9fUqptU6GE+Mrjl/FLhcDfSYlTUsFrFKYcTuge2nVJUAz2+kbaFg4qT9njyO 1vro9FplgIw= =ktMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Warning - delayed mail
by NTMail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Warning - delayed mail
by NTMail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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is cypherpunks@toad.com still moderated?
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just curious, is the moderation experiment still continuing or it is over? Thank you. - Igor.

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Re: Wassenaar Arrangement and "sensitive dual-use items"
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 AM 3/11/97 +0900, Hayashi_Tsuyoshi wrote: >Although I have not seen it, there should be the Japanese >translated version of the W.A. While it is true that MITI has halted all exports of crypto products since late September, citing their obligations under the Wassenaar "arrangement", numerous high level meetings conducted by Japanese industry heavyweights with MITI produced neither a copy of the arrangement nor any written MITI guidelines. MITI reserves the right to decided on a case by case basis. So far, every single export application has been denied. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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