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SAFE Bill / Fuck You (an inch at a time)
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonah Seiger wrote: > However, despite our concerns about the criminal provisions, we believe > strongly that the SAFE bill, and the bills in the Senate sponsored by Burns > and Leahy, are vitally important and should be passed. When is the last time you saw a Volvo ad that said: "It's the safest car on the road, unless you corner too fast." Or a Chrysler ad that said: "Our air bags will provide you with complete protection, although they may kill your children." When Ford had a problem with Pinto gas tanks exploding on impact, and Richard Pryor set himself on fire, freebasing, I started selling T-shirts in Austin, Texas, saying: "I'd rather freebase than drive a Pinto." Ford Motor Company sent TWO legal eagles down from Ford Country, to exhort me to cease and desist. Car companies have better sense than to broach these subjects, even when they are truthful, because they know that the citizens won't put up with it. If they have a problem, they deny and avoid it--totally. They know that the citizens will *vote* with their wallets. Government, on the other hand, has so totally snowed the citizens that they no longer even bother, in many cases, with the pretension of providing us with a product of superb quality. Instead, we get: "Our product/legislation has a few flaws, but hell, it's better than nothing at all." or, "I'm supporting this legislation because it will get me elected in my district. So what if it fucks a few dirt-farmers halfway across the country?" or, "We already have dozens of laws covering this issue, but its a current hot-topic, so we'll pass another one, and add a few dozen items for special-interests groups which fuck a variety of citizens in the ass, but which we can still justify as being 'for the greater good.'" I mean, let's get real, here. We put up with crap from our government that we wouldn't accept from someone trying to sell us a mouthwash. The reason that we're not all drinking the "New Coke" is that D.C. has siphoned off all of the spin doctors/brainwashers from the corporate advertising industry. I'll lay you even money that, given sufficient funding, I could be elected as the next President of the U.S. using slogans like: "I promise to only fuck you a little bit at a time." and, "As your President, I will move us more slowly towards a total Police State." Why do we put up with blatantly "flawed" legislation, when we wouldn't put up with the same thing in a consumer product? It is because corporations fear the consumers, to a certain extent, but government has no fear of the citizens, for the most part. The government used to fear the Press, at least marginally, but they now have them in their back pocket, so the Press no longer has the power to serve as an element of protection/information for the citizenry. So the government can pass legislation which gives us rights which we already have, without it, and cut off another inch or two of our freedom/privacy at the same time. And, in the process, we will hear, from both the government and the Press, about the virtues of "compromise." THE ONLY THING BEING "COMPROMISED" IS THE CITIZEN, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, FREEDOM & PRIVACY. An inch at a time. Slowly but inexorably. It's called "compromise." It's called "reality." It's called "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours." Of course, when its done all at once, then it's called dictatorship, and fascism. That's why we don't do it "all at once" here. Because this is a "free country." So we just do it an inch at a time. And then another inch. And then another... Personal aside, to Mr. T.C. May: "We'll drop the felony charges of 'using encryption in the commission of a crime' if you will plead guilty to the 'jaywalking' charges." (You never should have encrypted that letter to your mom, Tim, and put the floppy in your pocket. Sure, you can fight the jaywalking charges, if you're willing to risk 20 years in prison on the felony encryption charges.) TruthFelon

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Re: SAFE Bill is a Good Thing--"Crypto For The Masses"
by Seth Finkelstein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>On Thu, 1 May 1997, Alan Davidson wrote: >> 2. CDT Does Not Support The Criminal Provision in SAFE >At 22:09 5/01/97 -0500, Mac Norton wrote: >I don't get it. CDT loudly supports the bill. The bill >contains the criminal provision. I don't get it. Do you? I keep having bad flashbacks to Digital Telephony, and pre-CDA. Virtually all the lobbying groups would run around saying things like "we support this bill, but oppose this provision". Or convoluted stuff like "We oppose all these bills, but of the measures being considered, we support this one". The pattern is really bothering me. ================ Seth Finkelstein sethf(a)mit.edu

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Re: "restrict technical assistance by U.S. persons with respect to encryption"
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since I am going to quote portions of the EAR and make some comments on it, let me begin by stating that I Am Not A Lawyer, and none of this is to be taken as legal advice, or even accurate. On May 1, 10:18pm, Tim May wrote: > I hate it when people ask me to go dig up stuff...as I often end up wasting > my time doing it, instead of telling them to use their own search tools. I didn't mean for you to do the search, Tim. I have spent some time reading the EAR. For example, by reading the relevant sections of the EAR and correlating it with the Immigration and Naturlization Act, I figured out that it would be illegal for somebody in the US to give me encryption software, though it would be OK for them to give the same code to a certain class of illegal immigrants. During all this, I didn't come accross a section which said that "hooks" or something similiar (used to be known as a DES shaped hole), cannot be exported without a license. I was hoping that some of the lawyers who frequent cypherpunk, whose job it might to understand these regulations would be generous enough to post a pointer. > But it may have been worth it. While stupidly searching the EARs with my > tools, I found this little gem: > Sec. 730.5 Coverage of more than exports. > > * * * * * > (d) * * * The EAR also restrict technical assistance by U.S. > persons with respect to encryption commodities or software. > "Restrict", not prohibit. To atone for my sins, I decided to do some searching myself. This is actually expanded on in 744.9. 736.2 (b)(7)(ii) (general prohibition seven) says: (ii) You may not, without a license from BXA, provide certain technical assistance to foreign persons with respect to encryption items, as described in Sec. 744.9 of the EAR.// And in 744.9. // Sec. 744.9. Restrictions on technical assistance by U.S. persons with respect to encryption items. (a) General prohibition. No U.S. person may, without a license from BXA, provide technical assistance (including training) to foreign persons with the intent to aid a foreign person in the development or manufacture outside the United States of encryption commodities and software that, if of United States origin, would be controlled for ``EI'' reasons under ECCN 5A002 or 5D002. These ECCNs (whatever that means) is in http://jya.com/774-ccl05.htm. 5A002 is for hardware modules that do encryption functions. 5D002 applies to software. I won't quote it here, but from my reading it lists only software designed or modified for certain purposes, such as putting it in a hardware module, for one. The general prohibitions in part 736 does not make any other references to technical assistance, so I would think this is all the restriction that is there, but as I said, IANAL, and I haven't read the whole EAR. > > Anil, you'll have to do the research on where in the vast amount of stuff > on the EARs, the Munitions List, the CCL, etc. this is spelled out. I'm > done for the evening. Good night, Tim. Glad you could find something useful out of all that wasted time, and glad I could do some searcing for you in return. -- Anil Das

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Re: A new system for anonymity on the web
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney <hal(a)rain.org> writes: > Adam Back, <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk>, writes: > > The disadvantage of crowds is that it won't work to well over a 28.8k > > modem. Browsing the web is slow enough as it is, without having > > traffic make multiple hops through modem users machines. > > Good point. More generally, a path will only be as fast as its slowest > link. I suggested to the authors that the crowds could be segregated > by access speed, so that there could be separate crowd pools for 28.8 > modem users, for people who share connectivity over a limited-speed line, > and for people who have their own direct high-speed link. > > Theoretically, at least for long downloads, passing through multiple > slow links shouldn't slow down the transmission, I'm not sure that this is so. Ascii pic. consider Alice and Bob, without crowds: +----------+ | Internet | +----------+ | 2Mbits +-----+ | ISP | +-----+ 28.8k/ \28.8k / \ +---+ +---+ | A | | B | +---+ +---+ When Alice and Bob are online, consider that they are actually using their bandwidth most of the time. I know I do; if I'm not using it I hang up, with pay per second phone lines, you're likely to. Now add in crowds where traffic from A is going through B, and traffic from B is going through A: +----------+ | Internet | +----------+ | 2Mbits +-----+ | ISP | +-----+ 14.4k for Alice/ \14.4k for Bob 14k for Bob/ \+14.4k for Alice +---+ +---+ | A | | B | +---+ +---+ Now Bob and Alice each have 1/2 the bandwidth they had before. Add more users and longer hops and it gets worse. Of course my claim that Alice uses 100% of her bandwidth is probably an exaggeration. There will be idle times while she is reading. However there will be times when both Alice and Bob are downloading, for multiple users with multiple hops it is likley that there will be more than one user actively downloading at any time. > just increase the latency. I don't have a very clear picture about > how long it would take to snake in and out of a bunch of people's > modem lines en route to the web server. I'm sure it's going to increase the latency too. My ping times are 200ms from the PPP link alone (ie pinging the PPP server machine itself). Add to this that the members of the jondo / crowds pool may not be on the same ISP, and you've got the additional overheads of whatever latency is added by the cumulative latency between each of the hops in the chain. > If the latency does take an intolerable hit, maybe the idea we discussed > for the "keep alive" transmission would work, where all the web page > data gets downloaded with a single request. (I should clarify that I > was not suggesting that this be done all the time by default, but rather > that it be an extension to the http protocol, a different GET request > or a different parameter sent along with the GET.) > Another idea, which loses more anonymity but is still as good as the > Anonymizer, is to run your jondo on your ISP, if that is allowed. Then > other people's paths don't go through your modem, they just get turned > around at the ISP level. A spy at your ISP may be able to find out > where you are browsing, but the average web site won't. This compromise is probably retains a fair amount of anonymity. The ISP probably isn't loggin IP traffic, or incoming or outgoing web proxy (jondo/crowds) traffic, and probably isn't actively attacking your jondo process to see which bits are for you and which are being forwarded. I wonder if you could improve the security of this by trading off against some additional bandwidth consumption for the ISP. Say have split the jondo in half, with two cooperating half-Jondos acting as a single virtual jondo in such a way that someone with root access on one machine but not the other, can't extract any useful information by spying on that half of the jondo. > > The other problem is the scalability of the strong systems like DC > > nets or PipeNet. Bandwidth is still scarce. > > The Crowds people argued that their system automatically scaled, since > you had more jondos ("web remailers") the more people who used it. If > average path length is constant then the anonymous web browsing method > has a greater cost than the regular way, but it is a constant factor. Crowds migh scale in this way, but DC nets and Pipenets don't. Crowds is a weaker cousin of DC nets and Pipenets. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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[CRYPTO] ZKP
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy `C' May's aberrant sexual life has negatively impacted his mental integrity. ,,, -ooO(o o)Ooo- Timmy `C' May v

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Re: SAFE Bill discussion
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:12 PM 5/1/97 -0400, Shabbir J. Safdar wrote: >The Administration hates this bill, because it threatens their ability to >roll out Key Recovery. [...] >Do you think that if this bill helped the Administration, that they'd be >out there urging the subcommittee chairman to stop it? I think not. Sure they would - it's a standard negotiating tactic. Ask for twice what you need, then grudgingly accept half of what you asked for, whining and complaining about how your needs aren't being met, how badly you're being screwed, etc. Haven't you ever bought a car? Do you think that the Administration will ever say "We've already eliminated enough freedom and privacy, we don't need more laws to serve the 'legitimate needs of law enforcement'"? I think not. >I'm also puzzled by the fact that CDT is being criticized pretty much >solely, even though the entire Internet Privacy Coalition, and several >other groups all wrote a letter of support of the bill with only a >criticism of one provision. I think this is occurring for two reasons: 1. The people at CDT are closely identified with the stance that the EFF took on the Digital Telephony bill, which is strikingly similar to the coalition's approach to SAFE - e.g., cooperate with/support legislation that's harmful, in hopes that by doing so you'll be able to negotiate away some of the harm .. "We won't do any better than this, so we might as well make the best of it." Digital Telephony is not ancient history, and it hasn't been forgotten. I believe that the people who brokered that compromise are essentially good people, who had good motives and 99% pure hearts .. but the Digital Telephony bill is a goddamned embarassment to people who care about privacy and the Fourth Amendment. Now the FBI wants the ability to implement SIXTY THOUSAND SIMULTANEOUS WIRETAPS. What sort of macabre dance do you think they'll be doing with the bones of SAFE in a few more years? 2. It strikes me as unlikely that all of the groups mentioned really sat down and hashed all of this out - my hunch is that one or two of the groups wrote up an analysis and a proposed letter, and asked the other groups to sign on. A likely suspect for the/a group who did the behind-the-scenes work is CDT. >As far as I can tell, everyone criticizing the bill either thinks that: > > a) CDT actually runs all these groups behind the scenes, or You're not exactly likely to pick up respect or credibility by ascribing ridiculous or straw-man positions to people who disagree with you. I haven't seen anyone (not even the resident loons, and usually someone can be counted on to pipe up and suggest the existence of a massive alphabet-soup conspiracy) suggest that "CDT actually runs all these groups ..". (Don't bother, Toto - I'll do it for you. "C2Net actually runs all these groups behind the scenes, as anyone who's bothered to inspect the message headers while drinking a bottle of Scotch can tell you." And, of course, Jim Bell has a solution for that.) >Can you consider, perhaps, for a second, that critics of SAFE are being >unreasonable? I would think so, as critics of SAFE include the Clinton >Administration. Is that the kind of company that cypherpunks keep? If this is the caliber and depth of reasoning that you bring to bear on other issues, it's a miracle that you get anything done at all. Some critics of SAFE are being unreasonable. Some are not being unreasonable. >Here's a great excerpt from the Internet Privacy Coalition letter: > > The pending bill provides a positive framework for the reforms that are > long overdue in this critical area. It makes clear that the sale or use >of > encryption, a vital technique to promote network security and individual > privacy, should not be restricted in the United States. This is the view > widely shared by users of the Internet and the computer and communications > industry. It was also a central recommendation of the > report of the National Research Council last year. > >Looks like widespread support from people who study this issue for living. >I'm glad to be counted among them. If SAFE (and ECPA II and ProCODE) limited themselves to the "reforms that are long overdue in this critical area" (export control), you'd probably find a lot more support among cypherpunks for them. I'm beginning to think that the focus on the economic aspects of crypto export control has been a mistake (cf. "export jobs, not crypto" in my .signature) - because what we're seeing is corporations working out deals with the government, and privacy and individual interests are getting screwed. From my perspective, it was an attempt to recast the crypto debate in terms that make sense to Congress and policy interests - but what we've ended up with is a debate about how we can help enormous domestic software companies compete in global markets, not a debate about the relationship between individuals and the state, or about privacy and speech as fundamental rights protected by cryptography. I guess the current thinking is that privacy for humans will come about through a trickle-down effect, that strong crypto will be deployed on a large scale because it'll be quickly built into lots of software .. but I doubt it. Big software companies don't give a fuck if they're selling GAK crypto or weak crypto or strong crypto, as long as they're selling it. (the people inside may care, but they're unlikely to be or stay in positions where their opinions matter.) Which is why cypherpunks should write code, and not wait for Microscape to do it for them, nor for legislators to make it pleasant for them to do so. If SAFE is the best we can get from Congress (and people who should know seem to think it is), we can't expect Congress to save us from the executive branch. (The executive branch was working on this stuff before anyone outside of Arkansas had ever heard of Bill Clinton, and they'll probably still be flogging it in four more years. It's useful to hold Clinton responsible for what he's done, but it's also useful to remember that this isn't an issue that's going to go away because we elect a different Demopublican.) -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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Re: unSAFE (at any speed)
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh got off his knees and pulled up his pants long enough to forward: > From: Michael Sims <jellicle(a)inch.com> > To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu > Subject: unSAFE > Well, I've read Mr. Davidson's defense of the SAFE bill and of course > Mr. May's earlier argument against it. A few more comments. > The Trading with the Enemy Act was passed in 1917 and amended > (importantly) in 1933 (Great Depression, New Deal). > It specifically > allowed the president to regulate as he wished, during wartime, the > assets and fiscal transactions conducted by an enemy country. > (Confiscation and all that). Fair enough, for a WWI era law. > > Recall, this is during a declared war only. > In 1933 it was amended, hastily, sneakily, back-door-ily, in order > to grant incoming President Roosevelt extraordinary powers over the > money supply of the nation. It was amended to declare all citizens > of the United States to be "enemies", under its power during any > time of war *or national emergency*. That is, the "Trading with the > Enemy" act now applied to all citizens of the US and all of their > interpersonal transactions. Amen! Someone who understands that the governement long ago usurped the power of the voters and has declared the citizens to be the enemy, putting in place governmental powers that allow the elite to rule the country according to their personal dictates, no matter what the wishes of the citizens are. The ruling elite (not the people we elect, by the way) let us fight vainly over this or that provision of laws and regulations which cut off our private parts an inch at a time, and then, once their overt screwing of the citizenry has reached its final limits, they finish the job behind closed doors, via the dictatorial power of *national emergency* legislation. > Thus the new wording below. This is now during war *or national > emergency declared by the president*. > > "through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, > regulate or prohibit under such rules and regulations as he may > prescribe <...> > Roosevelt of course declared a national emergency and proceeded on > his way. However, he declared it in such a way as to make it > continue until revoked. This country remains in a state of emergency > today, and will do so forthe foreseeable future, and the President > retains the extraordinary powers intended solely for wartime. > These include the total ability to regulate commerce in the United > States. 'We the sheeple' would be outraged if the government entered our homes and businesses and forced us into compliance with their wishes at gunpoint. So they do it with financial guns, in an age where money=survival, and the average joe's mind has been so conditioned to financial rule that the Money Gods are deemed to be invincible paragons of 'right thinking.' No matter how obvious it is that the government is using our own money to screw us, we still feel that we are 'bad people' if we don't pay our taxes. We feel like we are truly guilty criminals if we resist participating in our own oppression. > I recommend Michael Froomkin's excellent (and lengthy) article on the > subject at > http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/planet_clipper.htm. > > Although about the Clipper chip, if you go about 60% through the > article he has a solid discussion of the EAA, IEEPA and the > presidential power thereunder. It's 50 U.S.C. Sec. 1701 and > following. Section 1702 there has the meat of it. > > This Act allows the President, once he has declared a state of > emergency, to regulate essentially any commerce with another nation, > except those items directly identified as "speech" - magazines, > papers, etc. And if he declares a "Jaywalking Violators National Emergency" with far-reaching consequences, it will get a small blurb on the back pages of the major print media, if anything. Declan (bless his D.C. journalist ass) might speak up about the dangers of the action, but is unlikely to be heard by the people at the shopping malls, where most Americans live. > Every "right" the SAFE act grants is already possessed. The law > also poses severe penalties for using crypto in furtherance of a > crime. How long until we have a new law which "grants" us the right to breathe, but makes breathing in furtherance of a crime subject to severe penalties? > Anyone using PGP on their computer? Crime involved at least one > email sent for any reason? Extra five years. This will hardly > support the spread of encryption. > > It gives law enforcement guaranteed access to keys: an awful > precedent. Any law enforcement officer or investigative officer > (attornies prosecuting a case) who is empowered to prosecute or > participate in the prosecution of offenses under this act may compel > disclosure of keys. All one needs is an escrow provision to ensure > that such a key is available for the government to retrieve - and > such a provision is perfectly legal for the president to impose. > Thus, an FBI agent, who is "empowered" to investigate crimes under > this act, can compel disclosure, by a third party, of your keys - > without cause to even believe an offense has actually been > committed. Without judicial review. This will further the spread > of strong crypto? The end result? We can *still* use strong crypto, but *now* it will cost us five years of our life to do so, unless we give up our keys, which negates the use of crypto in the first place. I used to love Garner Ted Armstrong talking about missionaries who travelled to obscure corners of the earth in order to *save* people by telling them about Jesus. He would ask them what happened if a particular individual died before the missionary arrived, and thus never got a chance to hear about Jesus? Would they burn in hell, as a result. The missionaries would explain that, since they never got a chance to hear about Jesus, that they would go to heaven by default, since God wouldn't punish them with everlasting fire just because they never had a chance to be *saved*. Garner Ted would then point out that the missionaries where thus not giving the individual a chance to go to *heaven*, since they were going there anyway, by default, but were, in fact, giving the individual a chance to go to *hell*. I think about this every time that I hear about a new piece of government legislation designed to *save* me from this-or-that evil/hell. > THIS BILL GIVES NOTHING AT ALL AND MAKES USE OF CRYPTO WORTH > FIVE YEARS IN PRISON. Continued support of this bill by privacy and > crypto advocates is outrageous. Yes, but the reality of life is that reasonable people learn that they need to compromise...and compromise...and compromise...and compromise...and compromise...and compromise...and compromise... "HEY! WHERE DID ALL OF MY FREEDOM AND PRIVACY GO?!?" TruthMonger

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A Letter from the Smithsonian
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Dr. Dimitri Vulis, Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labeled "211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post. Hominid skull." We have given this specimen a careful and detailed examination, and regret to inform you that we disagree with your theory that it represents "conclusive proof of the presence of Early Man in Queens County two million years ago." Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head of a Barbie doll, of the variety one of our staff, who has small children, believes to be the "Malibu Barbie". It is evident that you have given a great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your findings. However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of the specimen which might have tipped you off to its modern origin: 1. The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains are typically fossilized bone. 2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9 cubic centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified proto-hominids. 3. The dentition pattern evident on the "skull" is more consistent with the common domesticated canine (dog) than it is with the "ravenous man-eating Pliocene clams" you speculate roamed the wetlands during that time. This latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing hypotheses you have submitted in your history with this institution, but the evidence seems to weigh rather heavily against it. Without going into too much detail, let us say that: A. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that a dog has chewed on. B. Clams don't have teeth. It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your request to have the specimen carbon dated. This is partially due to the heavy load our lab must bear in its normal operation, and partly due to carbon dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic record. To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced prior to 1956 AD, and carbon dating is likely to produce wildly inaccurate results Sadly, we must also deny your request that we approach the National Science Foundation's Phylogeny Department with the concept of assigning your specimen the scientific name "Australopithecus spiff-arino." Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound like it might be Latin. However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this fascinating specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the great body of work you seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should know that our Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for the display of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution, and the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in your digs at the site you have discovered in your back yard. Dr. Vulis, we eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the Director to pay for it. We are particularly interested in hearing you expand on your theories surrounding the "trans-positating fillifitation of ferrous ions in a structural matrix" that makes the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench. Yours in Science, Harvey Rowe Curator, Antiquities

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