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test cp@cyberpass.net 10:10a pdt ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Potassium nitrate is a natural byproduct of the decay of organic material. > It is highly soluable in warm water, but at low temperatures (<10C) will > quickly precipitate out and be displaced in solution by other salts, such > as sodium chloride. Extract by evaporation of water from chilled solution. > Mix seven parts potassium nitrate with three parts carbon (coal). Compact > and ignite to produce explosion. 94% AN : 6% Fuel Oil (hence the abbr. ANFO) - more brisant than TNT, good stability and sensitivity, cheap and easy to manufacture almost anywhere worldwide in large quantities. Thanks for playing - go get yourself another encyclopedia. BTW, have a friend post your obit. when you've blown your head off, fuck-up.

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Printers are munitions?
by Sidney R. Phillips 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last Sunday on The Learning Channel there was a somewhat silly program on information warfare. One thing which caught my attention however, was a claim by Win Schwartau (of inforwar fame) that NSA had placed narrow band transmitters in printers which wound up in air defense sites in Iraq. Subsequently the transmissions were used for targeting durring the gulf war. Has anyone heard of a separate source for this?

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Eternity server considerations and musings
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spent some considerable time today thinking about the eternity server idea proposed, and implemented in alpha stage, by Adam Back. The main method used by governments around the world so far to attempt to censor information has been the use, or proposal of, proxy servers for whole countries or jurisdictions. This method has only thus far been used to censor www connections, and has been used to censor specific sites, hence the use of mirroring to circumvent government censorship. To give an overview of the eternity server idea for those who didn`t see the original post the idea was that a non existant virtual TLD .eternity would be used to access HTML posted to usenet. So to access a site that was at say bombmaking.terrorist.com/assasination/killing.html you would send your browser to: http://bombmaking.terrorist.com.eternity/assasination/killing.html The assumption being that the distributed nature of usenet would not allow censorship. The proxies idea however can be extended to censor usenet, usenet traffic, although pretty huge, is not yet too large to be grep`d for keywords (currently around 600mb of traffic a day passes through the newsgroups) before being proxied, so a government can run a server which first checks to ensure the usenet article is not encrypted (this can be done crudely by checking for occurances of common words or by checking the redundancy of the text by attempting to compress it) and if it is encrypted junks it, if it is plaintext, greps it for keywords like "assasination", "anarchy", "porn" etc... then kills the articles that have these words in them, the other articles the government does not want to censor are put on a main server like news.fourth-reich.de and access blocked to all the other news servers. I know this might seem an unlikely scenario but it is not really when we consider the wacky ideas we have seen from governments in recent years, a dictatorship like France or Germany might begin implementing this within a few years, although the German government has had it`s fingers burnt recently with the Radikal fiasco. What I was considering was the possibility of circumventing proxies altogether, this is not an easy question and I could not think of one single way to get access, of course one could use and ISP outside of the jurisdiction but this incurs internation call charges for dial up users, and the gubmint of fascist-regime-N can block telephone access to internet POPs outside of their country. The problem with attempting to prevent censorship of usenet is that we cannot mirror it like we can web sites, the web is too huge for a government to mirror the whole of the "acceptable" part of it, so mirroring sites faster than they can block them is effective, usenet is too small to protect in this way, it could be effectively mirrored and all other access killed. Of course while we can mirror sites to prevent censorship this is almost an academic question, rather than a practical one, however, it would be nice to see a more robust system which thwarted all attempts to censor without the need for human intervention by mirroring sites etc. I can see no way that a government can censor internal traffic within a country, because this need not pass through the proxy, so if we can get a copy of a document onto one server within a country all others can access it through a virtual URL. However, this is likely to incur the displeasure of the authorities in that country and have them knocking at the door of the owner of the server holding the document, so we would have to have a system for server anonymity. This is all getting very complicated ;-) Anyway, as I have said, I can give no insight here into what is a possible solution, I hope that this post might cause someone who does have the beginnings of an idea to think about it some more and maybe give us a really robust solution to preventing censorship of this kind. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: `careerpunks'
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back, <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk>, writes: > In trying to figure out which lists were working, I noticed that there > are now many more people on coderpunks and cryptography than there are > on cypherpunks... take a look at these figures: > > 713 cryptography(a)c2.net > 713 coderpunks(a)toad.com > 245 cypherpunks(a)algebra.com + cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net - duplicates Coderpunks has not been very active, I think (although I don't always notice which messages come from which lists). Perry Metzger's moderated cryptography(a)c2.net has had some good discussions lately, including contributions from such people as Carl Ellison and Matt Blaze. There was an interesting proposal from James Donald for a possible approach to what they are calling CACK, "Corporate Access to Corporate Keys", without facilitating GAK, "Government Access to Keys". The cypherpunks list continues to have the edge in political commentary and bomb-making instructions. :-) Hal

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 14:09:57 1997 > Tim C[ocksucker] May carries a turd in his wallet for > identification purposes. > In response to this childish, no.cajones.com message, I have removed all previous filters and added one, simpler filter on incoming mail. Delete when recieved from nobody(a)huge.cajones.com or lucifer(a)dhp.com. I suggest you all to the same.. it may actually serve to make this list worthwhile... - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3iud6AC4xvMjGa1AQFX1gf6A8z99Qot63ZAZsrDJqRqPMORB4FIHz9N z6Wl49tLg66LZpzjrsZ4YDHywz1eWadHOaD9NUpQuniZhuWN3TWveuXY+QHTakJa jZ3jP6+sOkCWXtfAi52sSV4KEPinkzQzTdqrCytSRnJ1KzOtgfoyQxdlxcn/R9sE CsbPQLm6cRQsd1zL1306a9uCX9qCR1/NypN0GCAGtVsWKwFf3Rd/U+Q7F8bkgBcc 757DzRXQCr6K9VbWdgFes9suzV42JFb5SdhPUnI1dhDmsjJvGwCvRJY/r3FvGLqP u2OII1rFT1zhhFPyAG3iqKGaE/U9fbCNwi0xzm6x1y8m6wQGxUUqrw== =kqhk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Would the anonymous person(s) please...
by bennett_t1＠popmail.firn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would all those anonymous remailing people with a flame tendency, please flame the person of your attacks, and don't send this bullshit to the list? Thanks...

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 16:01:35 1997 > On Tue, 13 May 1997, The Spectre wrote: > > I suggest that nobody do this, as this will filter out anonymous mail > from these remailers. You do, of course, have the right to filter out > whomever you want, but there are worthwhile anonymous contributions > from these remailers. I personally don't see what the big deal is > with these ascii-art messages. 95% of the time, these messages are > very easy to spot, and the remaining 5%, it takes two seconds to hit > the "delete" key. hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone each day. I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, or any other for that matter. If you've got something to say, say it. Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another. Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete key for me... - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3jIoqAC4xvMjGa1AQHYGQf+LnnFnEHTlH+7N1X9gdG+Q+qyp44r1mHu kw6FcENloFaE7oRpaDffaCOlBEAwJEQYnPNr6LOD18rTYQ2ZgruI/sv73KslBDI9 CLRjBRpzPSyF3+59uGusxOdLzHIzKjUSrB0xF5n/C07DnEoDa9DvXz1p+XnuPxf5 ZgXbrPMrac66K+Mz16XyJeI7eUjUEpqgc1s4OJuBpLZkCskncL9lUr9lfoHw8neE g4fjzH4csJ6XWh7z5ZZWN1dK9n8dUe13Er7rTLXT7Y0Md7DlkeyinJqPGd4eoPZ9 z2Rka6QJKBs4JC5cki4Hf9zOnHfJiqc5d30v1A0S+u1paOkoGQd0zQ== =tJQ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Public Key Break Paper
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In early April we posted a message which referred to William H. Payne's paper "Public Key Cryptography is Easy to Break." Mr. Payne has provided the 1990 5-page draft paper along with other documents, which we've added to the file at: http://jya.com/snlhit.htm The paper is part of several attachments supporting Mr. Payne's charge against Sandia National Laboratory. Other documents in the file help explain why the paper is sensitive to SNL and perhaps to NSA.

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KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary...
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Net's crypto wet-dreams were demolished this afternoon by a Congressional committee's fear of coffee-drenched kids and the Ku Klux Klan. A two-hour debate over whether KKK volunteers could be sued for spilling coffee on an 8-year old at a bake sale blew through millions of dollars in billable lobbyist-hours and prevented the House Judiciary Committee from voting on Rep. Bob Goodlatte's (R-VA) SAFE crypto bill today. Somnolent yet somehow alert, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) wasted an hour sparring with the avuncular Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Illinois) over the "Volunteer Protection Act," which insulates people volunteering for nonprofit organizations from civil liability. But would that apply to the KKK, wondered Conyers? Is the KKK a registered 501(c)(3) organization under the IRS code? What about 501(c)(4) organizations? What if a KKK member decided to build houses for Habitat for Humanity? I kid you not: these are the questions that the august House Judiciary committee grapples with. The members ran out of time and never got around to voting on SAFE. It was a bizzare meeting, to be sure, but at least one point made sense: these decisions should be left to the states, not imposed on them by the Feds. Some Congressmen even cited the landmark Supreme Court decision in _Lopez_, which shortened the reach of the Federal government. Conyers: "Someone has to explain why this is a federal issue." Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY): "I don't see why it's necessary for the federal government to invade." Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) coughed up an odd position: he likes the bill, but wants to make sure his GOP colleagues appreciate that this bill would screw the states. (It uses the Constitution's "interstate commerce clause" to justify the Feds interfering.) Frank said: "The notion that the coach of the Little League is involved in interstate commerce -- unless the third baseline is in another state -- strikes me as a hard sell. A dispute involving the coach in a little league will now be federalized... I don't have a problem with that... I do insist, however, that those in the past who have invoked [states' rights understand that] this is an obliteration of Lopez." Those were the high points of the debate, and it went downhill from there. Frank claimed that the Civil War meant that states have no rights. Someone rambled about girl scouts in South Carolina. Someone else spoke passionately about "standards of tortious behavior." Then there was talk about tricyles and hammers. By this time, the audience was falling asleep. I counted 10 people nodding off before I ran out of fingers. A frustrated Hyde tried to broker a deal: "If your staff person can work with your staff person, can you draft replacement language?" Conyers replied. "We're trying to help chairman Hyde. We've got 12 minutes [left]. There's no way in the world we're going to allow hate group hangers-on to be exempted from simple negligence." It worked. By 5:15 pm, after a dozen amendments, the committee passed the "Volunteer Protection Act." As for SAFE -- well, if you're a Congressman faced with the choice of bashing the KKK or tackling crypto policy, what would you do? -By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) and Will Rodger (rodger(a)worldnet.att.net) who refuses to wear a tie to these events any more.

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