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Re: Encryption and Backups
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:33 PM 2/4/96 -0800, John Pettitt wrote: > CP Backup (part of PC Tools for Central Point aka Symantec) has DES. As to > how good the implementation is: I have no idea. Broken: I worked on that (well I attended meetings on the implementation of that). It will keep out the average kid sister. Better than rot 13. I protested vociferously, saying that such encryption verged on fraud, and my boss overruled me without explanation or discussion -- odd behavior for him. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Assassination Politics--isn't it gambling?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:05 AM 2/8/96 -0500, Brian Davis wrote: >On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> At 06:00 PM 2/6/96 PST, banelaw(a)med.com wrote: >> >Jim: as to "Assassination Politics." Isn't the structure you describe >> >gambling? Placing money on a prediction, with the correct predictor >> >winning? >> >> I guess that depends on the laws, doesn't it? <G> Seriously, though, since >> all the participants are anonymous, and it can all be done from overseas... >> >> Somehow, though, I think politicians will take little solace from knowing >> that they are protected from death only by laws against gambling. > >Yeah, those silly homicide laws don't apply if there is a bet on the line. Don't tell me; let me guess: You haven't read the essay, and you're not a lawyer, right? >> > And if so, isn't it illegal if done over the wires, i.e., federal >> >commerce? I'm not looking for a way to declare your scheme illegal, I'm >> >just pointing out that there are other angles, especially if done over the >> >wires. >> >> I'd sure like to read a serious legal analysis of all this. Maybe all the >> lawyers are too terrified to respond. >> >Wire fraud would be the least of your worries. Try conspiracy to commit >murder. Don't tell me, let me guess: You haven't read the essay, and you're not a lawyer, right? I've been posting this for months on various areas of FIDOnet, USENET, and now here. I have never seen a lawyer seriously attempt to refute my analysis. If you really WERE a lawyer, and had read what I wrote, you would have been able to be FAR more detailed in your reasoning. > >> jimbell(a)pacifier.com >> >> Klaatu Burada Nikto >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I know I should know it, but can't place it. Help >anybody? > >EBD 1950(1) SF movie called "The Day the Earth Stood Still." (This was the phrase Klaatu asked the woman to convey to Gort, his faithful (and indestructible and invincible) robot, in order to summon help.) Anyway, the relevance of all this will become clear, eventually. The reason? "Something is going to happen. Something... Wonderful!" (2010) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRo73PqHVDBboB2dAQEUxwP/XVd9YfCX1y5bblh9SwYQVXHzYvXEv/1H dO2TAHrPFpde+nbp0IQ04YN9IA88hd8qQEZhdZl8MlPTeXjW3Qbv+seYq4RGyfR+ PjnxOHU2QVFHatXLeLVhteCFbquLEf6pg3NusV8h67lfthIejPEV56ZnBMGOzJKh CG1siobI6oY= =RPdT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Degrees of Freedom
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

V-CHIP CONTENT WARNING: THIS POST IS RATED: R, V, NPC, RI, S, I13. [For processing by the required-by-1998 V-chips, those reading this post from an archive must set their V-chip to "42-0666." I will not be held responsible for posts incorrectly filtered-out by a V-chip that has been by-passed, hot-chipped, or incorrectly programmed.] ***WARNING!*** It has become necessary to warn potential readers of my messages before they proceed further. This warning may not fully protect me against criminal or civil proceedings, but it may be treated as a positive attempt to obey the various and increasing numbers of laws. * Under the ***TELECOM ACT OF 1996***, minor CHILDREN (under the age of 18) may not read or handle this message under any circumstances. If you are under 18, delete this message NOW. Also, if you are developmentally disabled, irony-impaired, emotionally traumatized, schizophrenic, suffering PMS, affected by Humor Deprivation Syndrom (HDS), or under the care of a doctor, then the TELECOM ACT OF 1996 may apply to you as well, even if you are 18. If you fall into one of these categories and are not considered competent to judge for yourself what you are reading, DELETE this message NOW. * Under the UTAH PROTECTION OF CHILDREN ACT OF 1996, those under the age of 21 may not read this post. All residents of Utah, and Mormons elsewhere, must install the M-Chip. * Under the PROTECTION OF THE REICH laws, residents of Germany may not read this post. * Under the MERCIFUL SHIELD OF ALLAH (Praise be to Him!) holy interpretations of the Koran of the following countries (but not limited to this list) you may not read this post if you are a FEMALE OF ANY AGE: Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Sudan, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen, Oman, Syria, Bahrain, and the Palestinian Authority. Non-female persons may also be barred from reading this post, depending on the settings of your I-Chip. * Under the proposed CHINESE INTERNET laws, covering The People's Republic of China, Formosa, Hong Kong, Macao, Malaysia, and parts of several surrrounding territories, the rules are so nebulous and unspecified that I cannot say whether you are allowed to read this. Thus, you must SUBMIT any post you wish to read to your local authorities for further filtering. * In Singapore, merely be RECEIVING this post you have violated the will of Lee Kwan Yu. Report to your local police office to receive your caning. * Finally, if you are barrred from contact with the Internet, or protected by court order from being disturbed by thoughts which may disturb you, or covered by protective orders, it is up to you to adjust the settings of your V-Chip to ensure that my post does not reach you. *** THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN COMPLYING WITH THESE LAWS *** At 5:27 PM 2/8/96, Alex Strasheim wrote: >A split between a Western net and a Chineese net would have important >political, cultural, and economic reprecussions; it could be the >cyberspatial version of the old iron curtain, with information policy >rather than economic policy as a dividing line. Given the massive number of "degrees of freedom" compared to earlier days when the Iron Curtain "sort of" worked, albeit with lots of leaks, I see little chance it can be pulled off. The Chinese want a Bamboo Curtain, the Muslims want a Veiled Curtain, the Jews want a Wailing Wall, and the Germans wanted barbed wire. It ain't gonna work. >We ought to speak out against this Chineese net, and start asking >questions about Western companies that are collaborating in its >construction. The usual suspects: SAIC, Wackenhut, NewsCorp, etc. --Tim May [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Re: DSN
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:47 AM 2/1/96 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone heard of DSN? I think thats the right order of the initials... >... its supposedly the only crypto-hardware solution for protecting an >entire network on the Internet. You put one of these $5,000 units at one >end of a lan, and another one somewhere else on the Internet, and the >company gaurantees secure, encrypted transmissions. The TCP/IP headers >and data are mangled, encrypted, etc. Anybody who supposedly makes the "only [whatever-category] hardware solution" for a problem has either not done their literature searching, is going for a really obscure market niche, doesn't understand the problem, or (very rarely) is the first product out on the bleeding edge, or has had their competitors go out of business on them. VSLAN (I forget the manufacturer) used to make an encrypting Ethernet board for PCs, Suns, etc., and did the software work behind it to get a B2 Red Book rating from the NSA. Boeing had a secure FDDI ring about the same time (~5 years ago.) Motorola has made several products for encrypting Ethernets, X.25s, and other networks, which the military buys and likes. Don't know which of these are still on the market, and what new toys have appeared. Meanwhile, the swIPe encrypted/authenticated IP protocol is available, and the similar IPng security protocols are emerging (i.e. the RFCs are written and folks are working on reference implementations.) They'll cost you $0 for software plus a 386-box for Linux, or a used Sun. >It uses 512bit keys and I was just wondering how the authentication is >done. Does anyone have any specs on these units? Supposedly it does not >require a 3rd party entity to verify that the two units are both valid, >when determining the initial public/key pairs. Perhaps there is hardcoded >data in the units that is used to verify this? The company supposedly has >some proprierty method ... how can we be sure this expensive unit can do >its job if information on the encryption has not been released. If you can't get the company to show you the protocols, at least under non-disclosure, ask them if it's NSA-certified and see what the NSA has to say about it. 512-bit keys seem a bit short for either RSA or Diffie-Hellman these days... >[RSA in 5 lines of Scheme, deleted.] Got any short prime-number generators? #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com / billstewart(a)attmail.com +1-415-442-2215 # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs

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[Speaking of mail headers] the Zundel 'Censorship' fraud
by Richard Charles Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As recently posted by my close friend rich(a)c2.org. Ingrid could have fired up a mirror site at cts.com any time she pleased. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- wrightd(a)merlin.magic.mb.ca writes: >In group can.politics, article <31152afc.732040(a)news.snafu.de>, >tilman(a)berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote: > >... > >>This info as a reponse to the guy who said that Zündel hasn't access to >>the net himself. > >Tilman, if Zundel has his own web server, he doesn't *need* access to the >internet to get his own web page. He just has to be on a LAN (local area >network). He can fake any part of the internet by having his own server on >his own network, but that doesn't *prove* that he has access to anything - >it just shows that he has a good computer system. N:~> host ezundel.cts.com ezundel.cts.com has address 204.212.157.52 This is not a troll or a masquerade. You will see that genuine authenticated email messages and posts from Zundel's official spokesperson "Ingrid" come from this IP address. The contents of this message were lies too, but hey, I'm not into posting private email. Received: from mailhub.cts.com (mailhub.cts.com [192.188.72.25]) by Networking.Stanford.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA29094 for <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu>; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 04:15:15 -0800 Received: from [204.212.157.52] by mailhub.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0thbRP-000V34C; Wed, 31 Jan 96 04:15 PST Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 04:15 PST X-Sender: ezundel(a)mail.cts.com Message-Id: <v01530504ad34a8781ca2(a)[204.212.157.52]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu> From: ezundel(a)cts.com (E. Zundel) Subject: Re: I believe we've been conned. Cc: declan+(a)CMU.EDU - -rich Institute for Ernst Zundel Revisionism http://36.190.0.210/~llurch/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/ "First, bring down Zundel's suffering in terms of numbers and events, both real and imagined, to what it really was, not what they say it was, what they exploit for their own political, financial, and geopolitical purposes." AltaVista/DejaNews fodder: Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Zundel Deutsche Telekom Deutsche Telekom Deutsche Telekom Deutsche Telekom Deutsche Nazi Propaganda Nazi Propaganda Nazi Propaganda Nazi Propaganda Nazi Propaganda Censorship Censorship Censorship Censorship Censorship Censorship Censorship Simon Wiesenthal Center Simon Wiesenthal Center Simon Wiesenthal Center -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRqUJo3DXUbM57SdAQEJ2wP6AvMiAveRWoWJFqcvTO4Q3qFUY1a9iVKN Aw7NkoJJiH21WmRuATODxi9OtQQ9okVrNxJMMIaXPaF5SAm5Lk4Of+1IG1ULhKcx QamSe/NN9z4vZLyaM4j1UVJ09On/0TdyzMdRx6S5yDgpCqzLc+2coDcoINtxCRsr pqmBcsDtAMM= =qUEe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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References for multi-plaintext encryption
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"lmccarth(a)cs.umass.edu" 8-FEB-1996 02:53:06.68 >You said you'd deleted this.... [...] > http://www.hks.net/cpunks/cpunks-12/1451.html, in particular > http://www.hks.net/cpunks/cpunks-12/1558.html --------- Thank you. -Allen

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Re: Stego-empty hard drives...
by Alexander Oelzant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > >Robert Hettinga wrote: > >> Stegoing an encrypted partition as "blank" hard drive space without > >> actually writing over it unless you wanted to? > >> > >A freshly formatted partition has a fill value. Noise would indicate > >that is is not fresh. This would not be proof that it contained > >encrypted data but it would indicate some sort of use. > > It's really a shame how often MSMail files get corrupted, > and how quickly the things can grow to 100-200MB if people from > Marketing keep sending you mail with attached Powerpoint files. > Does anybody know a compressed disk driver that lets you start > at an arbitrary offset in a file so the headers look fine? just installed the cryptfs patch for linux (from ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/ pub/cypherpunks/filesystems/linux/) which works nicely on 2.0.35 if you mangle along the .rej files. it can use any offset you want and also stego your fs if you like ... oh! wrong os for you? then again you could certainly astonish your average customs officer with it ... them probably not expecting your linux to use a ms file for storage :-) hth. alexander -- aoe(a)oeh.net

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Re: RSA-China Crypto
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- BTW, there's an article about it on RSA's home page now. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMRr/eyoZzwIn1bdtAQHRBAF+PNYhhytVCUQ5LDn9vM5sSFNJ9l0zKm8T mfzCvhN/eE/qLpl8fDi1gvLJDnrWte/Z =t5nc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:45 PM 2/8/96 -0500, Perry wrote: >You are annoying me. How much do people want to bet someone kills >Jim Bell in the next six months? 6 cypherbucks, if I can get the ecash software to work again. 12, if you'll accept killfiling as well... #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com / billstewart(a)attmail.com +1-415-442-2215 # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs

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Re: "Plonk"
by Gordon Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:31 PM 08/02/96 -0600, Ed Carp wrote: > >Because Perry has an ego bigger than Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and >Dianne Feinstein all rolled into one, that's why. <Excessive .sig deleted> This from a guy whose signature is 12 times the length of the message that it was attached to? Puh-lease.... ----- Gordon R. Campbell, Owner - Mowat Woods Graphics P.O. Box 1902, Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 5J7 Ph: (613) 542-4087 Fax: (613) 542-1139 2048-bit PGP key available on request.

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