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Re: House National Security committee guts SAFE, worse than no b
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael, you once again fail to note the important political issues here. Sometimes civil liberties, freedom, and constitutional rights must be ignored in favor of pragmatism. It is important at all costs to remain a player in the game. Instead of opposing bad crypto legislation, we should instead work inside the process, to gain a seat at the table. That is why it is highly significant that both Commerce and FBI want to rid us of our freedom but would do it in subtly different ways. -Declan On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Michael Sims wrote: > Jonah Seiger wrote: > > > None the less, this is much bigger than a quibble over details, > > IMHO. There are important policy implications of this language. And > > politically, it is extremely significant that Reinsch would be > > critical at all, considering that the Committee voted to > > substantially undercut the bill (one of Reinsch's top priorities). > > Perhaps you missed this nuance. > > Well, I know that *I* feel much better now that I know about this > nuance. Knowing that the rulers of this country have significant > differences about who should control the universal key management > and encryption infrastructure once it's in place (who gets the Power) > really eases my concerns. Thank you. > > > -- Michael Sims >

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We have batted this around and around ... I am curious though what the more legal-oriented among us feel the current wording portends for us ... say it gets passed ... just what will be the legal status of the use of non-GAKked crypto? There is little question that steganography will be raised to a high art form under these proposals. That not withstanding, I would just like to get a feel for exactly where it leaves the current PGP et al. community? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNBYbJsdZgC62U/gIEQKB+ACgplZ/gmiKJEQgM5syzV2u1ls1LpsAn3Th 7veoktJjakAcKVzXTi8m0L+9 =ws+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." -- Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead (1943)

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Re: Nuclear Hedge Funds / Social Engineering in History / Wiretap DiFi
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:01 PM 9/8/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: ... >On the other hand, 0.5 kt of ANFO in the basement wasn't quite enough >to take the towers out. ... The version that I read was that the truck was merely parked next to a pillar hoping that that would do it. The guys weren't physics majors. With enough people here who speak in pure math, there might be a few who could calculate the best spot for such a device based on blueprints of the building. My opinion, one place the charges primarily along one side. The north one. That way, when the columns give, the building falls on more of Manhattin. BOOM! Timberrr.. This is speculation, of course. Purely for academic consideration and all that.

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Re: Bright, Loud and Quick OR...?
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:20 AM 9/9/97 -0500, Frank wrote: > "Building a nuclear capability would cost $1 billion or more, require 1,300 engineers, and take years. Developing biological weapons could cost less than $100,000, require five biologists, and take just a few weeks, using equipment that is readily available almost anywhere in the world." Science News 5/18/96 ... >Disregarding the creative chemistry experiments available under your sink and around the house, but considering the way the government and media can characterize any assortment of household items or literature a question arises - If you have meat in your refrigerator do you in fact have the basis for a biological weapon of mass destruction? The fact that many foods can be readily converted (by improper handling or outright negligence) to poisons can beg the question of whether having food in your posession does not constitute a health hazard to your children. AND we all know that the well being of one child is what it is all about. Don't we? ... Don't disregard them too quickly. I can't remember the name of the fungus, or the toxin extracted from it, (and my science and technology encyclopedias are 2 hours away), but there is a common fungus found in soil. This is the stuff that can survive high temp treatment. IF memory serves, it's botulism, that is no guarantee. Anyway, this toxin was listed in the text that I have access to as being one of the strongest known to man. And it is literally under your feet. Of course I don't know how to distill it, but I could probably make some guesses.

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Re: Bright, Loud and Quick OR...?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > At 09:20 AM 9/9/97 -0500, Frank wrote: > >>>> > Based on recent statements by "officials" of the former > Soviet Union a number of "suitcase" nukes are missing. > Possible sale price - $1,000,000. > <<<< > $1,000,000 per suitcase nuke seems way to cheap. Heck, at that price, > some individuals on this list might be in the market. What's the yield > of these suitcase nukes? > > BTW, any idea what the law has to say about private ownership of nukes > by US citizens? Assume for a moment that the actual device is kept > outside the US. They are legal to own, as long as you don't carry them concealed on your physical person. It is legal to keep them in a locked suitcase. Only two left. 10% discount for cypherpunks. Can drop-ship to destination of your choice for no extra charge. (I'll need the cash up front if you live in the DC area.) Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn

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Re: Removing Tyranny from Democracy (Part II), (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: amp(a)pobox.com > Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:26:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: Removing Tyranny from Democracy (Part II), > was Democracy is the true enemy... > > > I don't believe there are intrinsic flaws in democracy, so much as > > there are intrinsic flaws in *human*nature* that are coming to light > > after decades. government is a reflection of our human natures. > > one cannot really expect a government to correct the flaws of its > > users, any more than software could do the same. > > No intrinsic flaws in democracy? > > Surely you jest. Please be so kind as to detail your top three flaws... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Chelsea Clinton's PGP
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Stanford Newspaper Promises to Help Chelsea Clinton Keep Low Profile AP 08-SEP-97 STANFORD, Calif. (AP) Don't look for news about Chelsea Clinton in Stanford University's school paper: The editor is promising to treat the first freshman like any other student. Chelsea, accompanied by her parents, is expected on campus Sept. 19, when 1,600 first-year students move into their dormitories and begin several days of orientation. Like the mainstream media, the Stanford Daily plans to cover the Clintons' arrival and their participation that day at a welcoming ceremony for freshmen and their parents. But after that, said Carolyn Sleeth, the Daily's editor in chief, Chelsea "will be treated by us as a student, a regular student." That means her classroom and social life will largely go unreported. "Of course, if she involves herself in a newsworthy event, we'll cover it for example, if she founds a Stanford Democratic Club," Sleeth said. On the other hand, the student editor said if Chelsea were to get a speeding ticket or violate some minor campus rule, it would be ignored. "We wouldn't do a story if another student got a speeding ticket," Sleeth said. Sleeth also said a gag order of sorts will be imposed on Daily employees, barring them from talking or as she put it, "punditing" with the "outsider press" about Chelsea. Anyone who does so will be fired, she said.

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Re: Real issue of crypto controls: security or taxation loss?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:34 PM 9/14/97 -0500, jf_avon(a)citenet.net wrote: >Do they indulge in statistical efficiency or do they want 99.9999+% >efficiency at their "filtering"? I'd say if they "filter" only, say, >90% of all communications and an Oklahoma City plan passes by in the >10% remaining, it won't be good enough for them. There are several fallacies in this paragraph. I'll address two of them. First, you assume that terrorist actions are bad for the State. That is incorrect. Terroism, unless widely supported by the population, is of great benefit to the State. It helps to speed the passing of restrictive legislation. If you doubt this, please do some research on the laws passed in response to Oklahoma City in the US and the relevant laws passed throughout the EU during the late seventies and early eighties. Second, you assume that it would become widely know that the incriminating message was missed by the monitors. This is also incorrect, unless the monitors themselves choose to reveal the fact to support their future requests for increased monitoring capablities. The lack of positive identification of all participants on the Internet is a displeasing hole to the surveillance state. Only an Internet driver license can help patch this hole. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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Elliptic Curve library for visual basic
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.jim.com/jamesd/tools.htm An OLE extension to visual basic, providing elliptic curve cryptographic operations and true random numbers. This was written for my own purposes. I wrote it because visual basic is the by far the fastest way of creating a certain kind of program with a reasonably acceptable user interface. However I believe it will be generally useful to anyone who wishes to create a cryptographic program that manages a database, or who merely wants to get a cryptographic program with an attractive user interface up quickly. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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