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Jim Bell - Murderous Terrorist
by jdoe-0007＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Vulis writes: AO> Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> writes: AO> I consider Mr. Bell to be a crank and a loon. DV> You're certainly entitled to your opinion. You might be interested to know that DV> I consider Jim Bell to be highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and overall nice DV> person. I'm particularly impressed by his calm and restrained response to your DV> provocations. I've also formed a rather negative opinion of you, based on your DV> actions in this incident. Jim Bell has advocated nothing less than paid death squads using crypto as a means to hide payment to these murderous terrorists. If you can find a conspirator of murder as " highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and overall nice person" then you also are in need of immediate mental health intervention. Should the mainstream media ever get wind of Bell's lunacy it will be one more nail in the crypto-coffin spurring the Feds and international anti-crypto efforts to a frenzy. Bell is either a total fucking lunatic of the extreme right wing (having read his suck ups posts supporting General Linda Thompson) or an agent provocateur for the Feds. One is as bad as the other. To quote your own words to Mr. Olsen; " I've also formed a rather negative opinion of you, based on your actions in this incident." AO> He has no interest in any sort of honest discussion. DV> Honest or dishonest, the discussion of Jim's political views has nothing DV> to do with encryption. His plans for death squads success DEPENDS on the anonymity provided by CRYPTO! AO> He wishes to draw in others in the hope of "punishing me". DV> You're punishing yourself by destroying your credibility and carrying on this DV> silly flame war. You've kicked Jim off of "your" mailing list, pushing the DV> flame war that you've started to this list. I don't appreciate this. And you think YOU have credibility here? Sounds like you are cut from the same murderous cloth as Jim Bell. I pray that if by some freak of anarchy Bell's plan ever comes to fruition both you and Bell will be the first victims of your own murderous madness.

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Re: Sometimes ya just gotta nuke em
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:36 AM 2/4/96 -0500, James M. Cobb wrote: > Neither dropping nuclear weapons on Japanese cities nor an invasion > of Japan was necessary to secure surrender of the Japanese government. After the first nuclear bomb was dropped, the Japanese government held a cabinet meeting in which they summoned Nishina, head of the atomic program, and asked him if he could duplicate atomic weapons within a few months. After two nuclear weapons had been dropped on Japan, the cabinet concluded that Japan faced utter destruction with nuclear weapons, and some advocated surrender. But according to emperor Hirohito "At the time of the surrender, there was no prospect of agreement" Even with two nuclear weapons, surrender was far from assured. It was touch and go: Had the coup succeeded, Japan would not have surrendered, and a considerably more nuclear bombing would have been necessary. The bullet holes in the imperial palace testify that even after two nuclear bombs, there was a substantial faction of the government determined not to surrender. It was certainly true that Japan was defeated, and reasonable people may disagree on justice of using nuclear weapons under these circumstances, but to claim, as Alperovitz claims, that Japan was on the verge of surrender, is not a mere difference of opinion on the interpretation of the facts, but a simple, crude, barefaced, blatant lie. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Let's get back to crypto already (enough with the FUDism)
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject says it. Idle talk can wait until legislation doesn't matter... and it won't when there's freely available source and binaries for a secure telnet, a private/anonymizing web browser/server/proxy, terminal and bbs programs, file transfers, etc. I think these are at the moment a bit more important than digital cash (when these exist, e-cash will follow). There's lots of work to be done. Whatever happened to "cypherpunks write code"? it seems that various governments are writing laws a lot faster... --- "Mutant" Rob <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) for a copy of my PGP key.

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Re: Jamming and privacy problem
by Phil Agre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The emissions tracking proposal might have another sort of relevance to cryptography. Assuming (it's a big assumption, but entertain it for a moment) that we agree that some type of automatic enforcement mechanism for emissions-based repairs were a good thing, how could it be built without identifying any individuals to the authorities? What I find so utterly over-the-top about the ARB proposal is that it is capable of maintaining records on everybody everywhere, whether they are violating any laws or not. Of course they'll promise to protect privacy, and they may even promise not to capture any records for people whose emissions fault codes come up clean (though they say nothing about this in the RFP). But such assurances would be nonsense, since once the system is in place a simple software change would cause the system to revert back to the total-surveillance functionality described in the RFP. The key, then, is designing systems so that simple software changes under the control of the authorities can turn them into instruments of oppression. This design consideration is hard to even formulate accurately in the context of traditional system design methodologies, which assume that everything in sight comes with identifiers and that *the* way for a system to relate to something is to represent it in terms of those identifiers. Digital cash and other such schemes are so profound precisely because they break with this underlying assumption, forcing systems to think thoughts like "this person (whoever s/he may be) has paid $1 to travel on this road", "this person (whoever s/he may be) is eligible for an upgrade to first class", "this person (whoever s/he may be) is obeying emissions laws", and so on. Philosophers and linguists call these "indexical" (or, more precisely, "deictic") because they identify an individual contextually without appealing to a name or other universal identifier. Phil

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Re: Imminent Death of Usenet Predicted
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One thing that I'm worried about is InterNIC. As I understand it, it is a central company that is in the business of receiving domain name registrations, including the info on what that domain is connected to, and sending it out to various nameservers. The nameservers then use this to route some (not all, I do believe) traffic. This situation is a weak point. The government in whatever country InterNIC's physical presence is in (the US, I believe) can put pressure on it for "faciliating breakage of laws" or some such nonsense (for some material, such as the sites that have crypto material, the espionage argument that it is cooperating in limiting their ability to work might be what was used). It is then forced to stop issuing domain names except to people the US govt wants to get such. Nameservers in the US that use any other service to determine domain names get arrested themselves, under likewise treatment. Now, this can all be fought in the courts and will likely be defeated.. but it would still cause some problems. Am I completely incorrect, or do the programmers on here and elsewhere need to start coming up with a better way to do things? -Allen

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"PGP-Scape"? (was Re: Our "New Order")
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jimbell(a)pacifier.com wrote: [..] > >Methinks the time is right for a "PGPScape" web browser. [..] > Let me see if I understand this concept correctly. The remote site would > pre-encrypt the transmitted data, so that when received it could be > decrypted by the requestor according to his (or a temporarily chosen, to > avoid disclosing the actual recipient.) public key, so as to disguise both > the material and perhaps also the actual requestor? Something like that, yes. Anything to where someone watching cannot tell what a person is reading from a web site... even better if one cannot tell who is reading it. Anonymizing proxies would also be nice. There's also less worry about secure transactions, since if everything's encrypted it's harder to tell if a transaction is taking place, viewing porno or subversive or religious, literature, or if you're just reading something mundane. So much for vaporware, though. > Excellent idea! So is fast-than-light travel, but only if it's implemented. Rob. --- "Mutant" Rob <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) for a copy of my PGP key.

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No Subject
by karl.ike＠sihope.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila: I'm not in the business of running or hiding. I'm just an average, everyday working guy that doesn't like credit reporting agencies, what they stand for or what they do for money. I didn't say that I was going to do this. I just had the idea! I don't have the knowledge or the money to spend. That doesn't mean that there is someone out there that would jump at the idea. I just don't like the idea that these assholes know more about me than my mother and sell my private and personal information to anyone for big bucks. My credit is fine, just ask my banker or better yet, my mom. I am assumming that you know far more people on the internet since I have only been on for a month and have done three e-mail. I'm just suggesting to get the idea out and someone will take the ball and run. Yes, they will be a hunted man, but not a US citizen. Someone out there with a laptop and a cellular, living on a cruise ship, just may enjoy the idea. Just me, Karl

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Release of Pronto Secure first Beta
by geoff klein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Songs, Janis, Left to Lose, and Salinas
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:57 AM 2/5/96, "A. Padgett Peterson, P.E. Information Security" <PADGETT@hobbe wrote: >OK, I give up. Took off the head phones connected to the TO, went downstairs, >set the V-15 Type II on the Dual 1019 to 7/8 gm. Patched to the Pioneer 1500TD >amp feeding front AR-5's and rear AR-2ax's, cranked to "pain" and spun some >vinyl. You might want to explain to the GenXers what "vinyl" is. >"Freedom's just anotha' word foa nothin' left to lose." - Janis Joplin & >Full Tilt Boogie Band, Columbia PC 32168 (first one I found in the pile - >believe the original was on a album with her standing spraddlelegged with >the big grin - is here *somewhere*. Credit on th record was K. Kristofferson >and F. Foster. (Had to go downstairs, contrary to popular belief, everything >is not in my den 8*). Speaking of this song, I live "near Salinas." --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: verification of randomness
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 03:57 AM 2/5/96 +0100, Andreas Bogk wrote: >I've built a random number generator based on the noise of a Zener >diode. Now I'd like to verify it's correct operation. I'd be very >grateful if someone could point me to existing software for randomness >tests or additional tests not mentioned in Knuth. >I'll make the design of the generator available as soon as I've >verified it's operation. >Andreas Excellent! Sounds like a worthwhile project. If you have an email mailing list, put me on it please. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRWRnvqHVDBboB2dAQFgWwQAlgxpZ1Bx21HRU39ikFUKBFoewtfjVzcD zwOjkf5IXyITNV1IZmwmbIyzVmu1ndWr4NHhZZhxD9jCyzC6qFqvED/7Zye4vUdV XkcTDIBqqa334Awm7dsDMwvC2GKhHbCLIcZSI7gXBf/5C3V42EKdvi18Bqn9cs5M vJ0OnN93iBY= =MmWv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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