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extortion via digital cash
by scottb＠aca.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have been reading numerous threads on digital cash, and I have some questions I would like discussed. currently when someone does extortion (kiddnapping too), they have two choices; 1-pick up the cash personally (or via a stooge) 2-transfer the funds via bank Both ideas are bad, in that you stand a good chance at getting caught. I was wondering, what if you demanded payment via Ecash, through nym servers, aliases, etc. From what I understand, it is just like cash, ie: no record of transaction, but you get the added bonus of not having to meet the other party-like a fund transfer. Once you have your 1,000,000 Ecash, you could dump it on a disk, and close your internet account (unless you really really trust your privacy technology). And I also think that you would have the option to cash this into real funds at either the Mark Twain bank, or likely somewhere in the Caymen Islands (maybe through those online gambling houses). I am hoping that this will spark some discussion, and maybe slow down the dlv, TM spam war. Also, I was only wondering about this for mere discussion reasons :) /sb

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PINmail in the SCMP
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: somebody Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:13:07 +0800 To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: PINmail in the SCMP MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Front page of the Technology Post section of the 15/10/96 edition of the South China Morning Post, next to a cheesy photo of the two men quoted in the article looking (peering?) through venetian blinds. Headline: Anonymous e-mail site launched. Byline: Keala Francis Highlights: "Hong Kong advertising agency Momentum has created an anonymous e-mail service for Internet users around the world." penet closed down "because it was perceived to be condoning child pornography. [Director] Tobin said PINmail (http://www.PINmail.com) was designed as an offshore address only for legitimate businesses, but the compay could not necessarily control its users." Tobin: "If there is proof of illegal activities, I would give up a name." "Momentum created and owns shares in AsiaFocus International, which owns PINmail." Access via Netscape 3.0. IExplorer due before December. (Uses CGI and Javascript in a way that is incompatible with IE3.0.) Daley (Momentum GM): "There are really no disadvantages to having your e-mail sit on a server rather than your PC." "PINmail can also allow you to maintain an anonymous address." "Momentum has set up three server sites in Hong Kong, California and Amsterdam to enable easier and more efficient access." PINmail = USD19.95/yr. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Camelot PRNG
by inssdl＠dstn21.dct.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In the UK, the National Lottery is run by a company called Camelot (in case anyone didn't know) A while back, they introduced a new option, in that if you checked a certain box on your ticket, 6 numbers would be 'chosen' for you, presumably 'randomly' Does anyone have any info on how this system works? i.e. The PRNG used? Whether the PRNG is in the shop terminal or at the central computer @ Camelot? et cetera. (I am looking at the problems of PRSG for my Masters dissertation - hence the interest) Please reply either to the cypherpunks list or to my e-mail address if you think this doesn't have any crypto-relevance. Thanks in advance... ********************************************************************** David Lucas PGDip Software Engineering @@ BEng(Hons) Civil Engineering Postgraduate Software Engineer, University of Abertay Dundee, SCOTLAND @ E-mail: inssdl(a)dstn21.dct.ac.uk @ 2+2 = 5 for large values of two @ If you're not living on the edge, then you're taking up too much space Organisations can't have opinions, only people can and these are mine. Dave's Doorstep is back!!! - http://river.tay.ac.uk/~inssdl/index.html **********************************************************************

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Sameer should sue the SPA
by Matthew Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Let's see, what can Sameer sue the SPA for... 1) Filing a frivilous lawsuit, of course. 2) Extortion. "Sign this or we'll sue." 3) Libel and Defamation. "SPA's false statements about Mr. Parekh have harmed his reputation as a software publisher, and cost him profits..." 4) Conspiracy to violate the ECPA by demanding logs and records which may contain private/confidential information. (Dunno about this one, but it's worth a shot.) 5) Anything else? How much $ in damages do you think he can get? Also, SPA is going after C2 because one of their customers allegedly had a link to a pirate site - but they have (apparently) not gone after the pirate site itself! Could someone explain to me how there can be a finding of contributory copyright infringement, when there is no direct copyright infringement? Fonovisa v. Cherry Auction is an often-cited case here. In this case, a lawsuit was brought against the swap meet operators only after action had been taken against the vendors of the illegally copied material. It does not seem logical that c2 could be liable for contributory infringement when no actual infringement has (yet) been shown to exist.

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RE: LET'S MEET DIMITRI (WHO CARES?)
by Alex Filacchione 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<FLAME> Hmm. Maybe I am missing something. Can someone please explain to me exactly WHAT relevance this has to the list? People, I really DON'T CARE what your opinions are of Tim May, or anyone else for that matter!!! Can you please stop acting like children in a playground name-calling contest and move on to something else? Something of relevance to the list please? If you absolutely *HAVE* to continue to act like children then take it to private email. If for nothing else, then to save YOURSELVES from embarrassment. </FLAME> Thank you, AlexF(a)iss.net ---------- From: Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM[SMTP:dlv@bwalk.dm.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 1996 8:55 AM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: LET'S MEET DIMITRI [snip] No deal, then. I suggest that for your next meeting you book Timmy May to perform live sex acts on stage with his two cats, as Ray and Zach do the Macarena circle-jerk. > How about you and Tim sit down and *NICELY* talk about your differences?

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RE: PLEDGES
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Sandy Sandfort Wah whoo! This, plus some other new pledges puts us over the $1000 mark. Now all we need is some show of intestinal fortitude from Dimitri. ........................................................ Well, hey - if Dimitri is feeling kinda weak & puny, I'll take his place. Youall can pay my airfare & hotel charge, and I'll think of something to talk about with you guys. How about: Imaginative, Non-Crypto-Related Ways to Avoid the Government. (Uni? I'd be delighted to discuss this in person). $1000 makes for a fine party! .. Blanc

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extortion via digital cash (fwd)
by gimonca＠skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: scottb(a)aca.ca > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:44:25 -0400 > Subject: extortion via digital cash > > Both ideas are bad, in that you stand a good chance at getting caught. > > I was wondering, what if you demanded payment via Ecash, through nym > servers, aliases, etc. From what I understand, it is just like cash, ie: no > record of transaction, but you get the added bonus of not having to meet the > other party-like a fund transfer. Once you have your 1,000,000 Ecash, you > could dump it on a disk, and close your internet account (unless you really > really trust your privacy technology). And I also think that you would have > the option to cash this into real funds at either the Mark Twain bank, or > likely somewhere in the Caymen Islands (maybe through those online gambling > houses). > The Digicash product only has one-way anonymity. Their own pages are a good place to start: http://www.digicash.nl/ecash/about.html --CG

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[TIMMY MAY] Timmy May doesn't like being exposed as a liar
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More spam from FOTM (friends of Timmy May): >Received: from miafl2-16.gate.net (miafl2-16.gate.net [199.227.2.143]) by osceola.gate.net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA187758; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:13:05 -0400 >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:13:05 -0400 >Message-Id: <199610161113.HAA187758(a)osceola.gate.net> >From: Jim Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> >To: root(a)bwalk.dm.com, postmaster(a)bwalk.dm.com >X-Priority: Normal >Subject: Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >X-Mailer: Pronto Secure [Ver 1.10] >X-Prontosecureinfo: T=signed, P=x-pgp > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >To: root(a)bwalk.dm.com, postmaster(a)bwalk.dm.com >Date: Wed Oct 16 07:10:45 1996 >Can you folks somehow get Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> to quit >sending anonymous messages to cypherpunks? I have killfiled him, but he >sends things with subject headers like "RSA" through the anonymous remailers >and it is impossible to killfile them and still get interesting anonymous >messages. > >He is evidently angry at another subscriber, Tim May, for showing the list >how much of a fool he was regarding economics in the past, but now he shows >how much of a fool he is. Below is an example, the subject was RSA, and it >could only have come from him, I assure you. [BTW, this is not a threat of >legal action on my part against you, it's just that you are lowering your >reputations by letting him continue spewing garbage, and now that even >killfiling him hasn't worked, I am trying to convince you to talk to him and >encourage him to please take his lithium regularly.] >JMR > >- -----Begin Included Message ----- > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:35:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com (Anonymous) >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Cc: > >Timmy C. Mayflower was born when his mother was on the >toilet. > > > >- ---- End of forwarded message ---- >One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be >that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other >way around. -- me > >Defeat the Duopoly! Vote Harry & Jo http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ >___________________________________________________________________ >PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 >I will generate a new (and bigger) PGP key-pair on election night. ><mailto:jmr@shopmiami.com> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray >___________________________________________________________________ > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBMmTCum1lp8bpvW01AQHAugP/e/GTay0y778Ziy3JbWCGBb+tRxM8Q1Zi >Z3aIP97hNYYoD7QKi9yP1gS3ZRbg/9ZXJonWTi+zmZ7yUjmWndczmXJ2IAC+Rgpx >7MQmrhjU4htmiMCuawNmVLZRNZMl/+kNnX15taA8GdXTcuPXUsGN0y39oMbbqT5g >do3B4yicgrY= >=iix/ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >

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Re: Killing Mr. Wallace of "Savetrees"?
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Tim May wrote: >I'm not a lawyer, but this is getting real close to the line. I doubt many >DAs would take it seriously, but I rather expect Mr. Wallace of >savetrees.com might discover this message and draw the reasonable inference >that his life is being threatened. Do you think this approach might stop the SPAM? PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Snoop Daty Data | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Grinder | Sacred Cow Meat Co. | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Counter-cultural technology development our specialty. Vote Libertarian. Just say NO to prescription DRUGS. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." -- C.S. Lewis "Surveillence is ultimately just another form of media, and thus, potential entertainment." -- G. Beato

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Re: Crypto: Systems & Application Developers Wanted
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:11 PM 10/15/96 -0400, Mark Aldrich wrote: >On Sat, 12 Oct 1996, SPYRUS wrote: > >> SPYRUS, the leading provider of cryptographic tokens (PC cards & >> Smart Cards), with associated systems and applications software, is >> looking for engineers with the following qualifications to work >> with >> our Secure Applications Group in San Jose, CA: >Uh, excuse me, but doesn't SPYRUS in fact market a Fortezza card? The >very same card being used by the Evil Empire to spread diseased and impure >so-called "cryptography" (with GAK permanently embedded into it) to the >uninformed minions? Uninformed? It's right in their name: SPY-R-US. Just don't tell Toys 'R Us, they've been on a trademark litigation jag lately. (but it might save everyone some time if they added "Not concerned about the long-term effect your work has on the quality of human life & freedom" to the list of qualifications required.) -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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