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Re: IPG Algorith Broken!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Some of these bullies, like Paul Bradley, realize that they don't know > the meanings of the words they use. Paul Bradley not only posts nonsense > about brute force attacks on OTP, but also harrasses anyone who exposes > his utter ignorance, in en effort to intimidate them into shutting up. You don`t seem to realise that not only is my reputation unnafected by your worthless drivel about "brute force attacks on one time pads", which everyone else apart from you and Don immediately accepted as a simple misunderstanding of the topic of the message (I was talking about stream ciphers), but I am finding it rather amusing to watch the level of your rants deteriorate to the point where you now label anyone who actually posts about cryptography on this list as a "k00l hAcKiNg D00d" who knows nothing of what he is talking about. And as for harrasing people to shut up if you had been watching the traffic on the list you would have noticed that I disagreed with John over throwing you off the list. I simply wonder if the reason you appear to be so calm offline but a foaming at the mouth lunatic online is that you are scared someone is going to give you the good kicking you so rightly deserve. > "Cypherpunks'" opinion of any proposed new cryptosystem is worthless and > irrelevant. And I suppose the opinion of a man who cannot control his urges to post rants about "sovok jews" and armenian refugees is of great value to the learned and worthy??? Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Strong-crypto smart cards in Singapore and Germany
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

whgiii(a)amaranth.com ("William H. Geiger III") writes: ><sigh> Big Brother comming to a bank near you. > >Does anyone understand the implications of a society moving to an >electroinc cash based system?? > >All trasactions will be recorded, moitored, tracked & analysed. This is >not just the government that one has to worry about but corporations also. Actually the German system contains some fairly elaborate safeguards to make it pretty challenging to automatically track transactions (Germans have historical reasons for being uneasy about government monitoring). However given other German laws like the Fernmeldeanlagenueberwachungsverordnung (yes, that's one word), which make the CALEA look like a picnic, I'm not sure how long these safeguards will remain in place. Given that the standard has been created by a collaboration of all German banks, who are big enough to tell the government to take a hike if they demand access to the data, it may be safe (certainly the people involved in the project that I've spoken to are confident that they can keep the data private, however I'm not so sure how it'll work out in the long run). As for the Singapore solution, the Singpore government knows whats best for you, so it isn't any of your business to question their judgement. Anyone thinking otherwise gets 25 strokes of the rattan. Peter.

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Re: denial of service and government rights
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:24 PM 12/1/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >So what you're saying is I (or we) can testify in front of Congress on >essentially any topic, telling a blatant lie (that we know is false, and >which they will subsequently prove is false), and totally get away with >it. You and I can do that, is that what you're saying? You and I can't. The government can. It is one thing to commit a crime (if a crime has even been committed in the case in question). It is another thing to find somebody willing to prosecute it. In today's day and age, the Constitution exists for historical purposes only. Much of it has long been abolished by the courts. The remainder is being mostly ignored. The "Kein Kläger, kein Richter" principle makes it irrelevant if doing so is illegal. A favorite saying of 2nd Amendment supporters is: "Which part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?" If society doesn't care that the Constitution is being violated, the violations will continue. And society couldn't care less. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm

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The Good Doctor (Dobb that is) on DSNT
by John Fricker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The January 1997 Dr. Dobb's Journal has a somewhat interesting interview with Eva Bozoki, Chief Scientist for Digital Secured Networks which more about scientific research in the old USSR as it does about VPN's and encryption. Some notable quotes from Ms. Bozoki: "If people understand our competence, they will trust the product." "I don't like key escrow because I don't trust anybody." "We add a twist by encrypting the public key exchange." Seems like the interviewer had a nice chat with Ms. Bozoki but it is a shame that he did not press her on more technical details. It is after all a programmer's journal. I find the first two quotes interesting in that it would appear that Ms. Bozoki would not purchase the product she is creating! In order to establish trust in an encryption product more is required than simply agreeing that the company is competent. Competence does not imply trustworthiness. Trust can be established through review and examination of the innards, algo's and source code. A quick read of www.dsnt.com does not reveal any additional information on the crypto used (other than it being a 512 byte public key algo using Diffie-Hellman key exchange). Yet it would seem that DSNT has painted themselves into a corner as revealing their architecture would make encrypting the public keys ineffective. The interviewer also failed to press Ms. Bozoki for a position regarding key escrow. She states that she does not like key escrow but she does say (when discussing how security is being retrofitted into TCP/IP) "So you have to make sure that certain secrets don't go out and that you can legally wiretap certain conversations in a situation which wasn't designed for that." And also she mentions "the need for a government to defend its country". So does DSNT's products support wiretapping out of the box? --j ----------------------------------- | John Fricker (jfricker(a)vertexgroup.com) | -random notes- | My PGP public key is available by sending me mail with subject "send pgp key". | www.Program.com is a good programmer web site. -----------------------------------

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Copyright violations
by alzheimer＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- Financial Times, 11/29/96 REUTERS STAFFER SABOTAGES HONG KONG BANK DEALING ROOMS A computer operator at Reuters in Hong Kong recently sabotaged the dealing room systems of five of the company's investment bank clients. The attack crippled for up to 36 hours the computer systems delivering market prices and news to traders at NatWest Markets, Jardine Fleming, Standard Chartered and two other banks. The banks, which resorted to alternative terminals such as Bloomberg, claimed the tampering had no significant impact on trading and said neither they nor their clients experienced losses as a result. The initial breach occurred on November 18. Reuters engineer Winston Cheng (now suspended) allegedly paid maintenance visits to several clients and used his password to gain access to the operating system at the heart of the Reuters networks. He entered commands that would delete key operating system files after a delay to allow him to leave the building. The first bank to report problems at 6:00 P.M. was Standard Charter, followed by the others. The dealing room systems were partially fixed by the morning to allow trading to continue more or less as normal but it was not until the next day that they were restored to full operation. As well as reviewing procedures on staff, Reuters is considering restrictions on its maintenance engineers' access to trading floors and the system software.

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Working Draft: "Using Markets to Achieve Efficient Task Distribution"
by Ian Grigg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Our paper on "Using Markets to Achieve Efficient Task Distribution" is now on the web at http://www.systemics.com/docs/papers/task_market.html as a working draft (please don't quote or disseminate - it is now "under offer" for FC97). I, at least, am going to have a break from paper writing and go have a go at coding it, and all the other things in the queue. However, comments are most welcome. Thanks to everyone who has commented so far. -- iang iang(a)systemics.com

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unsunscribe
by Greg Shanton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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Re: wealth and property rights
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Adam Back wrote: >> >> Steve Boursy writes: >> >>> That's a fair question. I don't begrude one's ownership of their >>> fair share--but I do have serious problems with what we shall >>> call 'accumulators' if you will. For them I have contempt and no-- >>> they do not have that right of possession and often such 'work' is >>> at the expense and on the backs of others. >> >> I'm an accululator :-) >> >> The investments I have I worked for. > > Well of course you have--but the majority of people >in the world that are poor have worked just as hard >and do not derive the same benefits--that needs to >be changed. > > <clip> > >> See, if you spend your money now, on the above, you have no right to >> criticize me when I look relatively wealthy later. It's your choice >> to blow your money. > > > I agree--that's not what I was talking about--the majority of wealth >is handed down not earned--and the ability to earn also more often >than not results in hand me down priv. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who was successful at getting the practice of primo geniture outlawed in Virginia (it was later adopted by all the other states). He believed in a 'meritocracy' or sorts and abhored any practice which would create a merchant or political aristocracy in the new Republic. Unfortunately much of his wisdom was ignored (e.g. objection to a central bank, and the forbidding of one generation to indebt another) and we suffer the consequences to this day. > > >> Btw, people of your mentality (communists/socialists) already make it >> very difficult for me to accumulate, > > We do our best--some day we'll take it all away--really. > > Steve

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COREL TO CENSOR ALL CLIP ART WORLDWIDE
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Swastikas halt Corel sales By Reuters November 25, 1996, 12 p.m. PT MUNICH, Germany--Corel (COSFF) software company has temporarily halted sales of its top-selling Corel Draw graphics program in Germany because it includes four banned Nazi symbols, a company spokesman said today. The Canadian company will remove three drawings of Adolf Hitler and one swastika from future versions of its popular software, spokesman Thomas Layer said. It is also distributing warning labels to be placed on versions now being sold, Layer said. The label warns that the "improper use of digital images and symbols" found in the programs Corel Draw 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0 is prohibited in Germany, which bans public displays of Nazi symbols. Munich's state prosecutor launched an investigation into the software on October 2 after learning that someone had used the banned images to print business cards for a neo-Nazi group, Layer said. This is not the first time that the company has had complaints due to their clip art images. In 1992, pressure from US Black rights organisations forced drawings of the Ku Kux Klan to be removed from the collection. Consideration is also being given to the removal of other images from the collection, either due to legal restrictions in various countries, or due to complaints from organisations such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Images considered for removal include a burning US flag, Josef Stalin, the Star of David icon, a cannabis leaf, and a drawing of a woman in a bathing costume. Corel Draw provides more than 24,000 clip art drawings and symbols that computer users can copy. The company suspended the sales on November 19.

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REMINDER: C2Net Party: January 24th
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.c2.net/party/ C2NET is having a party January 24th at 654 Mission St. San Francisco assorted snacks, a cash bar and live music by WEIRD BLINKING LIGHTS with dj accompaniment by DJ FLINT and DJ PINNIPED will be present for your enjoyment Festivities begin at 8PM We hope to see you there --- Directions: >From the West or North: Take Oak Street East. Turn left on Laguna. Turn right on Fell. Fell crosses Market and becomes 10th Street. Merge left within one block of Market. Turn left on Mission. >From the East: Take Hwy 80 West across the Bay Bridge. Take the first exit on the left (Harrison Street exit) Turn left on Harrison. Turn right on 3rd Street. Turn right on Mission. >From the South: Take Hwy 280 North. Follow 280 to its end at 4th & King Streets. Follow King Street to its end at 3rd Street. Turn left on 3rd. Turn right on Mission. >From BART: Take BART to the Montgomery station Walk south on New Montgomery Street Turn right on Mission. Parking: There is a commercial parking lot across the street on Mission and another one on the corner of 3rd and Mission.

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