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Re: CLIPPER CHIP ON LIMBAUGH
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: You obviously don't understand much of the "loud-mouthed ass's psychology." : Limbaugh is very anti-statist and if he had a position on the issue : there's a good change it would be anti-clipper. Last time I checked, : the clipper's biggest supporters were Clinton and Gore, who aren't exactly : Rush's favorite people. Oh, I just meant that by all reports he seems to be driven to disagree with anyone who tries to get him to espouse their favourite pet cause, and that perhaps some kindergarten reverse psychology might be more effective... G

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Re: FWD: RIPEM/SIG - Worldwide Digital Signature Software
by Christopher Allen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:23 PM 3/21/94 -0800, Christopher Allen wrote: >At 12:21 AM 3/19/94 -0700, mdbomber(a)w6yx.stanford.edu wrote: > >I tried turning RIPEM Mac loose on this message and it complains about a > >garbled Originator Certificate, then complains that it does not appear > >to be a PEM/RIPEM message. > > > >Did anyone else get this to work? > >I've tested this further - like you I can't seem to verify the press >release using RIPEM Mac. However, I did find someone with the RIPEM 1.2 >software installed and it does verify with that software. > >I've sent a copy to Ray Lau, the author of RIPEM Mac, as I know that he is >working on incorporating the features of RIPEM 1.2 in the next version of >RIPEM Mac. I did send a report to Ray Lau, the author of RIPEM Mac. This is his response: At 11:13 PM 3/22/94 -0500, raylau(a)MIT.EDU wrote: >I've figured out the problem. > >Jim did indeed change his keypair for RIPEM 1.2 so the forged msg. is >because the keypair in the pubkeys file on rpub.cl.msu.edu is outdated. > >Also, since RIPEM 1.2 now supports certificates, but because it is not >fully PEM compliant, it uses a certificate in a RIPEM 2001 (not PEM 4) >msg. proc-type. I have not had the chance to update RIPEM Mac to >recognize certificates within the 2001 proc type yet. > >So, that is the gist of it. > > -Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ..Christopher Allen Consensus Development Corporation.. ..<consensus(a)netcom.com> 4104-24th Street #419.. .. San Francisco, CA 94114-3615.. .. o415/647-6383 f415/647-6384.. ..Mosaic/World-Wide-Web Front Door: .. ..ftp://netcom7.netcom.com/pub/consensus/www/ConsensusFrontDoor.html ..

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How to control the Internet.
by Bradley W. Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Blanc Weber <blancw(a)microsoft.com> >To: bdolan(a)well.sf.ca.us >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:49:56 PST >Subject: RE: How to control Internet? Buy it! >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Status: R >>I'm having a nightmare about a Microsoft-like domination of global >>communications, complete with SPA police, etc. >>................................. >Unlike the government, Microsoft and McCaw Cellular both depend upon a >customer-driven market for their acceptance. They must convince their >customers that they are better than the competition in providing a >similar service; they must adjust this service to the customer's >requests & preferences or lose the account. >Blanc That's the way it's supposed to be. What happens in practice - not specifically with Microsoft or McCaw [I don't want to hear from the platoons of lawyers. ;-)] - is that the big guys run down to Washington, pull a few strings, make a few contributions, and ask the government to use its resources and force to ensure that the corporate-desired outcome results. I remember when patents and copyrights were _privileges_ granted to encourage creativity and there was no such thing as "intellectual _property_". I remember a time when the idea of a royalty-tax on blank tapes to pay for presumed copyright infringement was regarded as crazy. bdolan(a)well.sf.ca.us

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Netcom's mail queue
by northrop＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow, some people love to do things the hard way. You missed a few, by the way. "Torin/Darren/Who Ever..." <torin(a)netcom.com> Alan Mason <vznquest(a)netcom.com> Allen Robinson <sebaygo(a)netcom.com> Brian Beker <beker(a)netcom.com> Bruce R Koball <bkoball(a)netcom.com> Mark Shepard <shepard(a)netcom.com> Ranjan Bagchi <onomoto(a)netcom.com> \tcmay(a)netcom.com analyst(a)netcom.com (Benjamin McLemore) argos(a)netcom.com (Peter Johnson) bart(a)netcom.com bgomes(a)netcom.com bwp(a)netcom.com (Bandwidth Pig) catalyst(a)netcom.com (Scott Collins) ccat(a)netcom.com chip(a)netcom.com claudel(a)netcom.com (Claude V. Lucas) consensus(a)netcom.com (Christopher Allen) crunch(a)netcom.com dgordon(a)netcom.com (David Gordon) doug(a)netcom.com (Doug Merritt) eman(a)netcom.com (Emanuel Barros) erin1(a)netcom.com (COUNT ZERO) eyeball(a)netcom.com (David M. Berman) freeman(a)netcom.com jamie(a)netcom.com (Jamie Dinkelacker) jesse(a)netcom.com (Jesse Montrose) jhw(a)netcom.com jimn8(a)netcom.com (Jim Nitchals) jjohnson(a)netcom.com (John T. Johnson) jkyser(a)netcom.com (Jeff Kyser) jpdavid(a)netcom.com (john kordic) jrest(a)netcom.com (John Restrick) jtl(a)netcom.com (Todd Larason) mlinksva(a)netcom.com (Michael R Linksvayer) mlshew(a)netcom.Com moulton(a)netcom.com mpd(a)netcom.com (Mike Duvos) nates(a)netcom.com norm(a)netcom.com paul braunbehrens <pbraunb(a)netcom.com> pfarrell(a)netcom.com ph(a)netcom.com (Peter Hendrickson) plaz(a)netcom.com (Geoff Dale) pomona(a)netcom.com (Alexander J. Harrington) quenelle(a)netcom.com (Chris Quenelle) rcain(a)netcom.com (Robert Cain) richardr(a)netcom.com (Richard L. Robertson) rogerp(a)netcom.com (Roger Plichta) rpandya(a)netcom.com (Ravi Pandya) russw(a)netcom.com (Russell Earl Whitaker) rustman(a)netcom.com (Rusty Hodge) sjl(a)netcom.com snarl(a)netcom.com sonny(a)netcom.com (James Hicks) speacock(a)netcom.com (Sean P Peacock) szabo(a)netcom.com (Nick Szabo) zzyzx(a)netcom.com (Phil Free) Majordomo has a "who" command. No muss, no fuss. As has been mentioned before, this is not a secure forum. Scott -- Scott Northrop <northrop(a)netcom.com> (206)784-2083 Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War, Book IV

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Re: CLIPPER CHIP ON LIMBAUGH
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Limbaugh does occasionally think rather than just knee-jerking, > though he does claim to broadcast with half his brain tied behind his back :-) > He's not so much anti-statist overall as he is anti-Liberal; > on positions where the rightwing is statist and the left is non-statist, > he seems to run about 50-50. he seems to toe the republican party line pretty closely, usually. there aren't too many actual conservatives out there, if you think about it. bill buckley. barry goldwater (but he's old). josh

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PGP key fingerprints.
by GRABOW_GEOFFREY＠tandem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C'punks, Is there any way to get PGP to display the fingerprint of a public ke before you add it to your keyring? I know that the -kvc command displays 'em for keys in your ring, but can you display one for a key in an ASCII armoured file? Thanks, G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | "What we demand are rigidly defined | | Oyster Bay, New York | areas of doubt and uncertainty!" | | | -------------------- | | grabow_geoffrey(a)tandem.com | Clipper, SkipJack & Digital Telephony | | | JUST SAY NO!!! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAiz/qhsAAAEEAN4QxTfSBoeP/FCiaX0/KmCkl6BcKRa1PeoP6ZlPWydg1nOx yZAk8pIdgiGxxgiMBMsqD+SrU+Sl1Fx1AdJ14HJsBp1V6G4rBTZqvFpbNPCfrQfz K/Apg+7bBpi5Qv+sQ0TWIy38zp/laArgcdUOpE4oE2UOUBVEtYvm47K2P+i5AAUR tC9HZW9mZnJleSBDLiBHcmFib3cgPGdyYWJvd19nZW9mZnJleUB0YW5kZW0uY29t Pg== =2NWi -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: How to control the Internet.
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And the island of Lanai and it's beaches are supposed to be part of the State of Hawaii and therefore available to the public yet Bill was able to block all access to the island for his wedding... (Stink still going on about that too) -Jim Wilson ................................. I can't say that everything that billg does or makes arrangements for with his clout will be defensible; I can point out that any arrangements which he makes with others depends upon those individual's consent, their agreeableness, and not to coercion or the elimination of choice altogether. (I don't know all of the details of how the closing off of those portions of the island was arranged, but I don't think that the owners of the island agreed to close off access simply out of the goodness of their hearts.) It is amazing what many people will agree to, when they can receive the benefit of cash, and this goes regardless of whether it comes from private one-to-one relations or whether it comes from governmental fund "distributions"; if there is someone to blame in that event, it would have to include the owners and all of those who were amenable to making it possible. The threat of a monopolization of power which Bradley Dolan mentioned as being presented by Microsoft's dominance in the market is not of the same type as is presented by the government's. From what I know about "intellectual property", this concept is supposed to establish the source of what has been produced (software) as belonging to its creator, and therefore as something akin to an object or service which can be traded and from which one can receive payment. It's a way to make a living, in other words, based on the recognition of a value. The only way that I can think of to counter the dominance of one company in the free exchange of goods is to desist from the purchase of that company's offerings, or better yet to produce better ones and make a better case for them with the buying public. Blanc

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Promise her anything...
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

H>A few days ago I said I'd look up the legal requirements on promissory H>notes. There are two separate issues in your post -- a promissory note and a negotiable instrument. A promissory note is simply a promise to pay someone else something of value. In order to be valid, the note has to contain enough information so that a court (or arbitrator) can determine that the maker of the note intended to create a debt, that we can determine the amount, and that we can determine to whom it is owed and when it is due. A negotiable instrument is a debt instrument that can be sold (negotiated) and if sold to a "holder in due course" (someone who buys the note for value and without knowledge of any disputes) can be collected on its face terms and without reference to any counter claims between the original maker and the original creditor. This aspect of negotiable instrument law has caused some libertarians to oppose the concept of negotiability. The Black Letter phrase from my Commercial Paper class in law school: ---------- Negotiable Instrument: A promise to pay to order or bearer a sum certain in money on or after a date certain. ---------- Note that bearer notes were always specifically included in the definition. H>This was to see whether digital cash or similar instruments could H>implement digital promissory notes. Yes, they could. DCF --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Clipper chip opposition
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[From EDUPAGE again --AW] InfoWorld publisher Bob Metcalfe states in a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece that he is against Clipper Chip technology, but for different reasons than those cited by the ACLU and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Rather than getting steamed up about the right to privacy issue, which he notes was always a conditional right anyway, Metcalfe says, "I am against Clipper simply because it will not work, and it will cost an unnecessary amount of tax money to outfit government computers with the chips." Even if Clipper were built into every computer and phone system, "smart criminals can easily get around Clipper by using additional encryption. Stupid criminals will continue to do stupid things and get caught." (Wall Street Journal 3/22/94 A14)

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Government by Sysadmin
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Maybe people like Dot and Don think of government as a systems-administration sort of job. So here they are, security experts advising the sys admins on things like... setting permissions allocating quotas registering users and giving them passwords (we used to put the encrypted passwords in /etc/passwd, but now we put them in /etc/shadow, with no read permission, so they're safe) deciding what utilities are and aren't available deciding what software the users need, and installing it (grudgingly, based on who's yelling the loudest) setting up connections to other machines deciding who's allowed to log in from "foreign hosts" getting mail set up and running buying new hardware from vendors specifying the hardware to the vendors ... These are the things computer security experts advise on. Maybe hammer experts see things as nails. Only a country is not a host system owned and administered by the government, and citizens are not guests or users. Maybe we Unix mavens are partly at fault for propogating systems that are such good models for dictatorships. -fnerd quote me - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - blue pill, Pharm. a pill of blue mass, used as an alterative... alterative, adj. tending to alter... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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