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$10,000 in 45 days - not MLM!
by christensen＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Against Moderation <antimod(a)nym.alias.net> writes: > Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I never suggested Dr. Grubor's > views should be suppressed. Not only do I believe he has every right > to express them, I also believe (as I explained) that I think there is > value in inducing censorship as he has, so as to get people's > censorious tendencies out in the open where they can be fought. If you know this, then I fail to understand your arguments with him? > However, Dr. Grubor is no advocate of free speech (though I'm sure he > thinks he is). If Dr. Grubor had his way, he would severely restrict > the rights of gay people to express themselves on Usenet. Advocates > of free speech must truly tolerate all speech, even that which they > find strongly unpleasant or disturbing. I'm still not sure you are understanding as you claim you are. Look at what he says. Ask yourself if he supports freedom. If you think he does not, then for -you- he does not. If you want to know the real man, take him to dinner. > My point was therefore that Dr. Grubor would do better to say > "Exterminate all faggots" than "Exterminate all faggots in the name of > free speech," and that those of us who truly support freedom of speech > would do well to distance ourselves from Dr. Grubor, while still fully > supporting his right to express his opinions. Nonsense. I claim that those of us who truly support freedom of speech must -embrace- Dr. Grubor as a respected man of great skill, for he can show us just how free any mailing list or newsgroup truly is. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep

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Switching to full traffic mode
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to warn and ask subscribers of cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. We are going ot get full feel from Lance Cottrell and cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com. We will filter messages by Message-ID to get rid of duplicates. It means that there is no sense (unless you want to confirm my integrity as the list host) to be subscribed to any of the other lists, as you will be getting multiple copies of messages. If you are afraid of that and use Unix, the following procmail recipe gets rid of duplicates: # # This recipe removes duplicates! # :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 32768 msgid.cache I am somwehat concerned by the behavior of my majordomo which is very paranoid about incoming messages: it rejects all messages that it THINKS are attempts to suscribe and unsuscribe. In this rejection, it is sometimes too broad. I do not know how to solve this problem. ATTENTION: if you want to get a feed from me, PLEASE send me a note and do not simply subscribe your mailing list to cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. It is because I want to send you the messages before my majordomo rewrites headers. - Igor.

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Re: Dissolving Choke Points
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So you write: >Many good authors have already left the list and *nothing* will get them >back. Are you implying that any given mailing list should be controlled by the best authors? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Excuses are the tools with which those with no purpose in view build for themselves great monuments of nothing.

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Welcome
by List-Owner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to Dia's Press Releases mailing list. You will be sent press releases about Dia's exhibitions and other programs. If you have questions or would like to request more press information, please contact Jennie Prebor at jennie(a)diacenter.org or (212) 989-5566 x 118. If you would like to stop receiving mailings, please send an email to list-owner(a)diacenter.org with the subject line "Remove me from Dia News." PLEASE NOTE: You may receive more than one message indicating a succesful subscription. If you joined more than one of Dia's mailing lists, you will receive one message for each list you joined. Thank you for your interest in Dia Center for the Arts. Dia Center for the Arts 548 West 22nd Street New York, NY 10011 http://www.diacenter.org

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Welcome
by List-Owner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to Dia's Press Releases mailing list. You will be sent press releases about Dia's exhibitions and other programs. If you have questions or would like to request more press information, please contact Jennie Prebor at jennie(a)diacenter.org or (212) 989-5566 x 118. If you would like to stop receiving mailings, please send an email to list-owner(a)diacenter.org with the subject line "Remove me from Dia News." PLEASE NOTE: You may receive more than one message indicating a succesful subscription. If you joined more than one of Dia's mailing lists, you will receive one message for each list you joined. Thank you for your interest in Dia Center for the Arts. Dia Center for the Arts 548 West 22nd Street New York, NY 10011 http://www.diacenter.org

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Re: Private property & the cypherpunks list(s)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > ichudov(a)algebra.com allegedly said: > > Firebeard wrote: > > > >>>>> Igor Chudov @ home writes: > > > And once I'm up and running, my cypherpunks list server will > > > not be interconnected with any server which has a similar AUP. The > > > implication of the AUP is that if you _don't_ comply with it, you will > > > be blocked. Without such an implication, the AUP is meaningless, and > > > I'm dedicated that there should be no filtering/blocking of any kind, > > > of the list. Persons behaving 'unacceptably' should be handled by > > > social pressures by others in the 'community' of the list, and not by > > > policies of the list operators. > I can understand this sentiment, given the events of the past couple > of months, but it seems short-sighted. If this scheme grows there > could be several hundred or more mailers involved, and there is no > technical reason why moderated lists couldn't be included. > Remember that each list operator actually represents a community of > users, users who are *free* to go elsewhere if they choose. Clearly, > some people would chose to populate a filtered list. There is no > reason whatsoever to discriminate against them. There could be, but that would be on a case-by-case basis. There are times when carrying a censored feed that you'd be giving tacit approval to the censorship itself. Again, case-by-case basis.

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Re: Keep it Simple and the Cypherpunk Way
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:57 PM 2/14/97 -0800, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > ... >if cpunks had a formal way of making decisions, and some loyalty >to each other, instead of BAILING OUT at the slightest difficulty, >perhaps the situation would be different, eh? see how quickly people >who were once friends simply WALK OUT on each other in the cryptoanarchist >approach? where is the loyalty? the sense of working for the greater >good? it's gone. TCM simply ABANDONS the list at the first opportunity, >and ignores the years of hard work that J.G. has put into it. ... Not everyone has "bailed out". Amid the flotsam and jetsam of the sinking list, Igor Chudov Firebeard, and others have begun to fashion a trimaran. If they finish before the old vessel finally sinks in the storm, then we will have a ship more difficult to capsize. Others are anchoring that half finished craft to the great floating city/state Usenet. Still others are scheming as to the best way to keep the self appointed police from cutting the little craft adrift. No, we would have "bailed out" if we had each sit still to let our subscriptions run out. More will "go down with the ship", arguing against the shutdown right up to the day when the list is finally eliminated.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Dale Thorn wrote: > > Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > > > Ok. I'll "put up". > > If I understood the last several hundred messages correctly, they have > > tried to make the point that the cypherpunks mailing list (unedited) > > was more ideal than a newsgroup. If this is what Dave is offering, > > I'm surprised if more people don't jump on it. Then again, they > > took their good ol' time jumping onto cypherpunks-unedited. > > I think that the ideas of a distributed list and the idea of > alt.cypherpunks are both good and these two mediums complement > each other. I can certainly accept this, but it would be nice if someone summarizes these feeds every now and then, as time to check them all out is very limited.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Hayes wrote: > Ok. I'll "put up". > If the cypherpunks will have me, -I'll- run the cypherpunks > list. Those that know me know that I will *not* censor, moderate, or > otherwise alter the content (other than the stuff majordomo does with > "resend") of any messages to the list. You have my vote. And any help I can provide, within my limits.

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