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Re: Anonymous phone calls...
by andreas.elbert＠gmd.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Maybe in Norway you do, but not here. The Orange Cards were >completely anonymous, I think, and there's certainly no reason that a >card system couldn't be set up that is anonymous if those weren't. > prepaid cards can be set up to work anonymously, sure. Unfortunately, the one making this decision (the network operator) is more concerned with toll fraud and usage statistics. E.g. the german telekoms payphone log the time of a call and the serial number of the prepaid card. (And the only one reading their publications (and complaining) is the CCC, which has not quite the right reputation to raise the newspapers attention)

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Re: whois cypherpunks.org ?
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aleph1 (Levy) is a grey hatted hacker. Amongst other things, he moderates the bugtraq mailing list. Decent fellow. Adam Anil Das wrote: | With all this talk about relocating the home of cypherpunks, I decided to | see if any second level domains are registered under the cypherpunks | name. | | Both cypherpunks.org and cypherpunks.com are registered by one | Elias M. Levy in Ft. Meade, MD. I haven't seen his name on the list | though. Anybody knows more about this? | | -- | Anil Das | -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Keyserver service outage (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!ah.com!hughes (Eric Hughes) Date: 05 May 94 Originally To: toad.com!cypherpunks >And since the RSA and IDEA patents aren't valid in Europe, this >is 100% kosher. You guys use MIT-PGP and we'll use free pgp 2.5 IDEA is an international patent, from ETH in Switzerland. Eric What about the idiots that do not know and FTP from STP? -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Detweiler: still paranoid
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy From: ld231782(a)turner.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Sender: news(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Dec19.075042.7988(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 07:50:42 GMT References: <PMETZGER.93Dec6212145(a)snark.lehman.com> <1993Dec7.235821.25954(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> <pgf.755746191(a)srl03.cacs.usl.edu> <1993Dec17.001757.1814(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: turner.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Followup-To: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy I seem to have missed much of this thread. My news server seems to have scrolled off all the interesting articles. I was hoping more cryptoanarchists would show up to call me insane. Quite a pity. David Criswell (dcriswel(a)oracle.uucp) wrote: : There's only one in the phone book. Cupertino's not all that : big, and Szabo's a fairly uncommon name. If I were, umm, you : know, in Mr. Detweiler's mental state, this might lead me to : conclude that somebody was lifting "pseudos" from Bay Area : phonebooks, and the one in the directory does not post. I : don't really care about it enough to call him. Mr. Criswell, could you describe the difficulty of getting fake names into a phone book? is this trivial or impossible? This is not to in any way imply that N.Szabo is such an occurence. I don't know why everyone on the internet gives every single email address they meet the benefit of the doubt. They all should get the detriment of the suspicion. But what do I know? I am just a paranoid lunatic who is progressing quite nicely on Prozac and intense psychoanalysis, thank you very much. Imagine that someone has made an art, science, and religion to pseudospoof. Why would they do it? because there is immense power behind such a technique. And minor barriers like phone numbers and phone books would be the first mediums they corrupt. People trust phone numbers -- they believe that if you can supply a phone number, you are are not a pseudonym. What is the basis for this belief? The foundation? Nothing but naive trust that is easily betrayed by those who have build their lives around deceptions. Don't care? well, don't blame me when tomorrow you find out that the cryptoanarchists own the largest share of the world mafia, and have succeeded in doing so by coordinating it over the Internet. Even better yet, let you be tortured by them all your life without ever discovering the true source of your wretched desperation. -- ld231782(a)longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU

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List Deletion
by broitman＠koala.bu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How does one get removed from this mailing list? Please respond privately...so not to clutter up the conf. -jZb

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Re: Why Digital Cash is Not Being Used
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just thinking: since it keeps being repeated that it is a mistake to think of digital cash as currency, rather than a mere transaction mechanism, then it should not be called "cash", as this does not describe what it is. Then it would not be so easy to think in those terms. Digital Exchange Digital Transactions Digital Transfers Digital Fungi (bility) Blanc

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Re: The Value of Money (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I have some funny money, myself. I have several of the original Oh you must be investing in the junk bond market. You know that there is over $10,000,000,000 's in the US bond market. Oh, of course you did. You are one of those Internet people that only exists on the net. By the way what type of indicators could I use on a global fund to maximize profit and reduce risk. You computer hackers know everyting, do'nt you? Or do you just play with play money? :{)} -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Keyserver service outRAGE (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Geez- this is going to make our fight a little harder- now we have to say "Fight Clipper and Clipper-PGP"??? Man- if the masses didn't get it before, they're going to be GREATLY confused now! That's the point though, isn't it..::sigh:: Now What? "Hoping I'm not one of the half-wits" :) -- Julie ______________________________________________________________________________ Roll over and play dead! Maybe they will not notice. Distribution is the key to success. -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Re: Anonymous phone calls. (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Is there any way to make a phone call anonymously? Caller ID can be >blocked somewhat with one of those *## numbers dialed before the call >is made. Is there a way to route a call through a series of phone-type >remailer systems? This would allow one to make a call that would be as >hard to trace as anonymous mail. > Any ideas? Here is a really STUPID FUCKING IDEA: Use a different public phone for each call and limit your time on the phone to less than two minutes. Hey I bet you wear an overcoat in the summer and molest little girls, or is it boys? :{)} -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Lady Ada's Cryptophone
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lady Ada writes: > - -- Diffie-Hellman for key exchange > - -- Triple DES for data encryption > - -- RSA for digital signatures/identity verification > > Rationale: > Unlike encryption protocols designed for email, > a phone system will need to exchange public keys > bidirectonally at the beginning of every call, and > the existance of an insecure two-directional link can > be assumed. Diffie-Hellman is perfect for this application. > The alternative, RSA, would require either generation of > new keypairs at call time, which is very slow, or the Diffie-Hellman can be quite slow as well, depending on the size of the exponents. It involves calculating x**y, twice, where x and y are about 512 to 1024 bits. Some variants have the exponent yl be smaller, around 140 bits, but if strong primes are used for the modulus the exponent will be large like this. And the Chinese Remainder Theorem speedup used by PGP when RSA signing would not be applicable here. So calculating a DH key exchange could take many times longer than an RSA signature by PGP. This takes about fifteen seconds on my old PC; doing a DH key exchange might take a minute. > Each phone shall have a button (hard or soft) > which can be pressed by the caller at any time. Pressing > it will cause a new TDES key to be generated and exchanged. > [Should it generate a new n and g for D-H, or just create > a new x and demand a new Y?] Paranoid users can press > this button every few seconds if they wish. (In my > humble opinion, even a single-DES phone is quite secure > if it has this feature.) It might be possible to compute the DH in the background while the conversation is going on, but if the computer is also compressing, uncompressing, encrypting and decrypting at the same time, that's not going to be easy.

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