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17 Dec '03

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CJ Update Corrected (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:30:56 -0500 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: CJ Update Corrected > This is attorney protected information. Not now. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CJ's Teeth/Glasses
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff, Alia Johnson reports that CJ has not had his teeth and glasses returned. Can you tell me, or refer me to someone who can, what is needed to get that done. Or if I have no right to get involved who else should make the request. Got a Fedex account ready for use. Thanks much, John

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A tad more on Goldbach's Conjecture....
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I figure I'll share the thought I'm trailing.... Given Goldbach's Conjecture as true then it has a geometric interpretation. Given a triangle of even area greater than two it can be tiled with a set of triangles, with areas given by primes, exactly. I'm using equilaterals as a test case since they're easy to deal with geometricaly. So, if one can show that this is true then Goldbach's follows. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:15:07 -0800 (PST) > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: holist <holist(a)mail.matav.hu> You should consider subscribing through one of the normal CDR nodes, the toad.com site is unreliable. > come to expect to find people who may not be "mannered intellectuals", but > who are certainly not erstwhile defenders of intellectual property, > particularly asthe concept is applied to software today. Now just exactly what makes you believe that I want other people deciding what happens to the results of my labor? I support Open Source software, however not to the extent I want somebody else to decide without my input whether any given piece happens to Open Source. > requests for warez on these lists, but moral outrage at the thought of > software piracy was not one I expected to read here. Then perhaps you need to work on your morality. > Especially as I hear nobody complaining about the advertisement for > pornography So what? How exactly does pornography map to stolen software? > Unlike most of you lucky people in the States, I pay through the nose for > on-line time. Sounds like a personal problem to me. > Perhaps priorities could do with rethinking. I agree, you need to do some rethinking. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Rivest Patent
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vin McLellan (or someone using his name), in an otherwise closely argued posting, subtly missed the point with: [...snip...] > I was never impressed by the absolutist argument against > patents on math-based processes. Mr. Cordian summarized > this POV: "The fact that the [RSA] patent couldn't be > successfully challenged even though its mathematical > underpinnings were well known years prior reflects badly only > upon the notion of mathematical patents, and hardly refutes the > facts in evidence." By that logic, it seems to me, a basic > knowledge of physics could invalidate almost all patents > for mechanical inventions.) > [...snip...] > The real point is surely that a patent for a device invented by someone with a basic knowledge of physics is used to protect the *invention* not the *knowledge*. They are not used to prevent anyone else inventing another device using the same basic knowledge of physics. Even if it is perfectly just for the RSA (or any other) patent "taken as a whole" to be used to protect "not merely a disembodied mathematical concept but rather a specific machine"; that *doesn''t* mean it is neccessarily just to use the patent to protect that "disembodied mathematical concept" when it is used in some other "specific machine". But software patents *are* used to try to stop people employing the same algorithms in other inventions. So, despite the ingenuous ruling of the court they *are* being used to try to control "disembodied mathematical concepts" - in other words ideas. I have no idea if Watt had a patent on the steam governor. But I bet he didn't try to take one out on Boyle's Law. Ken Brown

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manners (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Richard.Bragg(a)ssa.co.uk > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:14:44 +0000 > Subject: manners > There are ways and means. If someone requests software that is NOT free > then a simple NO will surfice. A list of contacts to purchase would aid > income for the producer. > An additional approach would be to suggest alternatives that are free. > > There is never any call to be rude. Agreed, just be sure you can recognize the difference between rude and simply uncomfortable directness. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers... > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:26:56 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) > > All even numbers greater than two can be represented as the sum of primes. > > Do you mean a sum of DIFFERENT primes? None of the references that I've looked at state it clearly but I assume that it must be or else we could just use 1 for everything. > > Is there any work on whether odd numbers can always be represented as the > > sum of primes? > > Well, take 11, for example, it cannot be repsesented as a sum of different > primes. It cannot, pure and simple. Sure it can, 1 + 3 + 7. It can't be the PRODUCT of two lower primes since it wouldn't be prime then. This sum by the way CAN'T be reduced to two primes so Fermat's Conjecture applied to odds is clearly false. The only proviso is the number we want to sum TO must be greater than 2. ALL numbers can be represented as sums of primes, the question is whether you allow repeats or not. > > This of course implies that the number of prime members > > must be odd and must exclude 1 (unless you can have more than a single > > instance of a given prime). Has this been examined? > > Why, let's say 5 = 3+2, it is a sum of an even number of primes. In the number theory realm, I agree. In the geometric real (in particular using equilateral triangles) those constraints hold. Note that the smallest number of sums for your example above is odd. The reason that you must exclude the problem becomes trivial if you aren't required to sum the 1's. > I suggest that first "examination" should always include playing > with trivial examples. No kidding? > If multiple instances are allowed, it is an enormously boring conjecture > for 5 grade school students. > > any number above 1 may be represented as a sum of some 3s and some > 2s. Big deal. Actualy they are simply sums of 1's, its actualy first grade math. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Goldbach Conjecture
by Phillips, Sidney R 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For a reference on the Goldbach Conjecture see: http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/GoldbachConjecture.html

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RE: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:41:01 -0600 > From: Mark Hahn <mhahn(a)tcbtech.com> > Subject: RE: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd) > At 09:39 PM 11/19/98 -0600, Jim Choate instructed: > >It's interesting that Fermat doesn't mention that the only prime that can > >use two as a factor is 4. And you can't factor 2 at all since we eliminate > >1 as a potential candidate (another issue of symmetry breaking simply so we > >don't have to write '....works for every prime but 1' on all our theorems). > > I thought I was following along until I got here, and got very lost. First > question: I think the first sentence implies 4 is prime, so I must have > the emphasis wrong. No, I made a typo. I got so focused on primes last nite that I seem to have typed it in instead of 'even'. I didn't notice it when I saw it posted to the list. My mistake, sorry for the confusion. What started this whole enquiry for me was the realization that the multiplication identity axiom is related to the definition of a prime. Then add on top of that the reason we exclude 1 is so we don't have to write '...except for the prime 1' on the end of lots of number theory (re Richard Feynman's comment during the Challenger Investigation). It was the realization that if we go ahead and include 1 so the axioms are in line with each other (and use our cut&paste feature for the '...1...') then perhaps it would provide a more consistent base and just maybe some of the extant problems in number theory might become solvable in other ways. My original intention was to get a copy of Doug Lenat's EURISKO theorem proving program and change the definition of prime in its database and note the results (after converting it to Perl from LISP). What started all that is that I'm slowly going through 'An Introduction to Algebraic Structures' by J. Landin (Dover) creating a cheat-sheet of number theory that eventualy I hope to post on my webpage for reference. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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