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Re: This List--Public, Private, or Other? (fwd)
by rjc＠gnu.ai.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal writes: > Because of these considerations, I think cyberspace is not really subject to > the kinds of ownership and control that we associate with private property. > Look at the Extropians list as an example. They try to say that the list > is private property and feel free to kick people off. But sometimes people > get disgusted with their autocratic practices and leave. The list ends up > losing value. The more they tighten their iron fist of ownership the more > individuals slip out of their grasp, to paraphrase noted cyberspace pundit > Princess Leia. (I say this not to disparage members of that list, which has > a lot of talented people, but because to me it is a good example of the mis- > application of the idea of private property.) > On the other hand, the list also tries to perform a useful function for many people which is to filter down the enormous amount of chatter conversation out there to make it easier to read. It's interesting to note that the people who left the list were not leaving because of our tight copyright rules but because they disliked the code-of-conduct rules with respect to politeness and the enforcement of them. Code of conduct is a form of property control which won't disappear even in a "free" cyberspace. People will still form electronic country clubs excluding the non-elite or the non-polite from their ranks. The Extropian's list copyright rules are mainly e-cultural politeness. Just as it is considered bad netiquette to forward private e-mail to a public newsgroup, the Extropian's list administration considers it inappropriate to forward private exchanges to public lists without prior permission from the author. Such a rule would likely be in place on "women only space" e-lists or abuse recovery lists. Although the cypherpunks membership list is public, I bet many cypherpunks would consider it inappropriate to sell or give away this list to direct electronic marketing agencies. The extropians list has its copyright rule also to create a safe-zone. One where you can speak your mind without worrying about someone publishing your words in a "usenet cd-rom archive" where your boss could see it. Until pseudonymity is easier to use, restrictions will have to stay in place. I see electronic copyright as mainly just good manners. > My model of the ultimate future of cyberspace emphasizes selectivity > and filtering of a huge corpus of messages, articles, essays, debates, > etc. The hard part is going to be picking out what is interesting to > you, and making your contributions in such a way that interested people > see them. I really don't think our current infrastructure of mailing > lists and usenet does a very good job of this, and I hope that in the > future better approaches will be possible. It's not clear what role > ownership will play in that system. I think mailing lists do a much better job of filtering than usenet where membership to a discussion group can not be moderated or limited. (it doesn't work in practice. it usually kills the group or e-sociopaths just bypass the insecurity of the system) I like AOL's "auditorium" model. In the future, people will still want to pay others for locating information, filtering, and formating it in the oceans of information out there. Lexus/Nexus, IQuest, and some of the financial report natural-language filters out there are good examples. Information itself would probably be relatively free, but useless because *finding it* would be the hard part. Electronic Consultants would make their money by hooking you up with the right database or search software, or sell you their personal time over an electronic market. -Ray -- Ray Cromwell | Engineering is the implementation of science; -- -- rjc(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | politics is the implementation of faith. --

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Re: paper on remailers in the intelligence community
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:41 AM 2/7/96, sameer wrote: >http://www.strassmann.com/pubs/anon-remail.html > > A friend at Hotwired (yes, he's still my friend even though he >works for Hotwired) pointed me to some FUD which led Futplex to the >above paper. > It's an interesting viewpoint.. salient quotes: > >"By far the greatest threat to the commercial, economic and political >viability of the Global Information Infrastructure will come from >information terrorists. " > >"Anonymous re-mailers are here to stay. Like in the case of many >virulent diseases, there is very little a free society can do to .. The affiliation of the authors is interesting: ---- by Paul A. Strassmann, US Military Academy, West Point; and Senior Advisor, SAIC and William Marlow, Senior Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) ---- Now, what were people saying about SAIC and its role in intelligence matters saying again? (Not to mention the Inter-NIC stuff.) --Tim May, "wanted for information terrorism" Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DES for HP48 - found & thanks
by stainles＠bga.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Public thanks to The Cunning Artificers who sent a response (by the ECafe anonymous remailer) pointing to ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/ciphers/des.hp48sx.gz for the HP48 DES implimentation. Apologies to everyone else for the extra noise. ==Dwight -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6ui iQCVAgUBMRlUdIY4AzhdF11FAQETEgP6AhqRO6tMGAIpJNTdvuO/qqknpIpwI7fD PW/yH4LAXCpqWkjUXJYmx2IXCFU4todUkxV4ZaTf62OzYfCrLeyZ5VRmBqFUhI3V SjanPGq7v6gKX/ZNkpundvjGfBg9XqHLeafTaIarAcNI/73aNT/VgJwPu0lsB7Wq 7AdYiKFWI8A= =e1C0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Governemnts should give up regulating Internet [CNN] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Sep 12 09:13:45 1998 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199809121413.JAA15418(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Governemnts should give up regulating Internet [CNN] To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:13:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: friends(a)ssz.com (Ravage's Friends) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2001 Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9809/11/govnet.idg/ > GOVERNMENTS CAN'T HANDLE INTERNET, SAYS MAGAZINER > September 11, 1998 > Web posted at 1:20 PM EDT > > by Jana Sanchez-Klein > > LONDON (IDG) -- European countries should cooperate with the U.S. to > create an Internet that is regulated by the industry rather than by > governments, said Ira Magaziner, senior adviser to U.S. President Bill > Clinton for Internet policy development, at The Wall Street Journal > Europe's Fifth Annual CEO Summit on Converging Technologies. > > "We are trying to come to an agreement with the European Union where > they recognize our approach," said Magaziner, a speaker at the > conference here today. > > He outlined the importance of the Internet to the U.S. and world > economies and said that it was not up to governments to attempt to > control Internet use and commerce. Magaziner attributed one-third of > all economic growth in the U.S. to the building of the Internet. But, > he warned, "if goods are overtaxed or overregulated, it's hard to do > business. The private sector should lead." > > Governments are ill-equipped to handle the Internet, because it > changes too rapidly, it's too decentralized and too international, > suggested Magaziner. > > "The digital age moves too quickly for government action," he said. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"ravage(a)ssz.com" "Jim Choate" 6-FEB-1996 22:50:35.24 >What is described is not self-defence by any stretch of the imagination. It is a pre-meditated act which causes any plea of self-defence to fail. ------------------ If someone has comitted serious enough violations of rights in the past, then I would call killing that person justified. First, it prevents any future violations of rights by that person. Second, it serves to discourage people if they know they can get killed if they do so. (I realize that capital punishment by governments doesn't appear to do much good, but the people in question- government agents, etcetera- are generally a bit different than the gang members who so regularly ignore prison sentences and the death penalty.) Third, and getting away from the self-defense argument, it is justice. The job of a government, if it has one, is to defend individual liberties. It is given privileges in order to enforce that. The abuse of such privileges should be met by death. (Yes, I would be in favor of changing current laws to remove sovereign immunity and institute a death penalty for governmental rights violations. Unfortunately, among the people subject to such a law are the ones making the laws.) ------------------------ >How many people have to decide that another should be killed for it to be ethical? In short, how many people does it take to decide it is a legitimate act to take your own life? ---------------------- Why should "how many people" make a difference? If I violate someone's rights enough to justify such a course of action, then I should be dead even if everyone except the victim is cheering. Yes, I realize that Jim Bell's system does depend on a group of people. But so, in the end, do all such systems- whether they call themselves governments or anarcho-capitalist societies. If the Christian Coalition got too many people with guns in the latter, they'd rule. Any further discussion would appear to belong in private email; I suspect that Jim Bell would appreciate a cc. -Allen

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Psychological Warfare Primer
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since we are engaged in Revolutionary War in Cyberspace, it would behoove us who are actively participating to have a delineation of strategy, tactics, and operations of guerilla warfare eidetic to this medium. Our Guerilla Warfare Operating Area, (GWOA), is the internet, with its peculiar strategic advantages and vulnerabilities. The genius of Patton's campaign in North Africa was the result of simple reading comprehension skills; he read Rommel's book. This primer on psychological warfare is prepared for your perusal offering fundamental intelligence to increase the probability of success in engagements with the competition. It's been said that every revolutionary was a patriot. Our competition has different ideas about patriotism and vastly superior resources. Little is known about the operations of the US intelligence community. If one is going to play hard ball with the big boys, one needs a general understanding of the game before the first pitch is thrown. The DOD view of Vietnam was essentially to train men and test new weapon systems. In this respect, the Vietnam War was quite successful. This point was reiterated ad nauseam during the Gulf War on a daily basis via a sharply censored 4th estate for the duration of conflict. The contrast of censorship in the interest of National Security between the Gulf War and Vietnam is quite marked. The DOD official statement the day of the initial bombing of Iraq made no mention of B-52 strategic bombing missions. Only the tactical missions were announced publicly. Bernard Shaw's awestruck reports from his hotel window in Tehran were broadcast live on CNN. With heightened exclamation he reported a new sound of the ensuing battle, a sustained roar like thunder that refused to quit. From the ground, a conventional B-52 strike is a quarter mile wide, 200 feet high, and travels at 700 mph. There is no sound on earth like it. Having known Pentagon spokesperson Pete Williams since high school, I found it vaguely amusing that he saw fit to inform the rest of the world of B-52 involvement in the bombing several days latter. In Vietnam, we had the grunt's down in the #10 latrine stepping on cockroaches piped into our homes by the US networks nightly. Occasionally the hands playing Cowboy's and Indian's, (LURP's- reconnaissance, locate and identify missions, as opposed to search and destroy), got some air time. Then there was the Harvard/Yale game. The public knew it existed, but heard very little about it. Spooks have their own language. The first principle of psychological warfare is to dehumanize the enemy. Everything is a football game to them. The Administration's policy decision on Clipper, 4 February 1994, would be a, "Double Whammy End Around." The FBI Digital Telephony Bill would be a, "Forward Pass." These analogies were expressed to the public by pilots returning from Persian Gulf combat missions during interviews. No big deal folks, just another football game, and we all know what fun football is! Surgical is not synonymous with random evisceration of innocent men, women and children. Remember the luckiest man in Iraq? Swartzkoff stood by a screen with laser guidance cross hairs centered on a bridge. As a vehicle entered the picture he drew our attention to it with his pointer and followed it's path directly through the center of the bull's eye. "And in his rear view mirror-" Stormin' Norman gloated, the entire bridge was annihilated. The truth of the Gulf War is just now leaking to the public. Let's take a look at the roster of the competition's coaches and quarterback strings. The heavy weights are the DIA, NSA, and CIA, in that order. The CIA is a central clearing house informed on a need to know basis. The NSA obviously has a clearer channel of classified access. The Defense Intelligence Agency, as has been published, is composed of several independent operations reporting to a specific Admiral or General, each with their own S-2 sections. Thus, operations are very difficult to compromise. The CIA is prohibited by its charter from engaging in domestic operations. The DIA is not. These folks are the best on the planet. The other day I was logged on in a friends account at an educational site showing her the ropes of Cyberspace. Out of curiosity I ran an arbitrary finger on the American Embassy in Moscow. Unbelievably, it worked famously. User names and real names of everybody logged on scrolled by on the screen. It's nice to live in an open society. Another friend stopped by and I attempted to demonstrate the phenomenon again. I swear to God, this time I popped up in the San Diego State educational computer. The third time I was dead in the water. The last log on in SDSU's computer was "COSOC Just Passing Through". If I remember my history correctly, this whole EFF thing started over the 911 codes being posted to Usenet. Instantaneous caller location identification capability became generally known. The idiot kid who threatened the president got an autoresponder from Whitehouse.gov that traces the message. Minimal leg work produced the actual perpetrator. The competition is hot, but our apparent vulnerability is our greatest strategic advantage. This is like being on Acid in 1964. We are doing nothing illegal! Cyberspace, in its present state, is a very wild and free place, not unlike the Wyoming high country a few miles from me. With diligence and fortitude, it will continue to be free. The spooks can tie up a tremendous amount of time and resources gathering intelligence on Cyberians rather easily. At present, an analysis of our actions boils down to private citizens well with in their rights doing nothing illegal. One would have to be completely brain dead not to have considered the populist power of the internet. It's guaranteed we will pry power from the intelligence community with much wailing and gnashing of teeth by minuscule increments. Our greatest tactical advantages are the speed of light and non location specificity. We are highly mobile in the field and wired as well as the competition. We are by nature decentralized and deployed for maximal survivability from nuclear attack. We are virtually immune from censorship due to the internal survivability architecture of the net. We're on our own turf. We've chosen our own battle ground, brought nothing unnecessary with us, and are ready to make our last stand here and now. We are defending our homeland from invasive attack, and the 4th estate is fully aware of this. Thomas Jefferson said, "When the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe." Our operations are multifaceted and independently organized. The CPSR petition and the EFF letter campaigns work in concert, yet have not the vaguest resemblance to a Civil War Pincer attack. They more closely resemble the jump and run tactics of the Viet Cong and NVA that gave the DOD fits on the battle field and in the press. We have the ability to concentrate a great number of people on a specific operation with the added fluidity of multiplicity of tasks. The concept of truly democratizing not only the United States but the entire planet is a tremendous vision. The collapse of a Union that built its SS-18 and SS-20 missile systems on what are essentially ripped off Pac Man chips has thrown a list to the global economy. Homeostasis is a principle of the universe. Time will restore a natural balance to everything. One small voice in Cyberspace becomes global interpersonal communication at the speed of light as the net grows geometrically. Global interpersonal communication is the greatest tool for world peace our species has ever known. We have the technology to achieve virtual collective consciousness on a planetary scale. The potential of the Electronic Revolution is awesome. Instead of electing an aristocracy who's choices are packaged by mass media marketing to govern us, we have the ability to transcend the physical limitations of deceptive appearance, and illuminate the truth of being through the digitized reflection of intelligence. As it stands now, the Russians pay an information tariff on every bit they transmit or receive. Their phone system is archaic. The infrastructure is neanderthal in comparison to the US. The closest approximation to a backbone they have is an Estonian site hanging by a 80Km fiber optic thread to Helsinki, and the Glasnet site in Moscow linked by a T1. I know what this net is capable of. Consider the invention of digitized satellite navigation. The first bird the Air Force sent up could simultaneously locate 4K automobiles on America's highways. The second bird up could simultaneously locate every single vehicle on the interstate highway system. I'm one small voice in Cyberspace speaking only for myself. Psychological Warfare is the way to fly in the Electronic Revolution. When the competition has been playing hardball with the big boys globally without equal, we would to well to play Medicine Ball with the Gods instead. Keep your personal visions of justice and reciprocity tempered by altruism in your hearts, and fare you well, my compatriots. -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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A temporal remailing (was: CDA = death of crypto)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:26 AM 2/7/96, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >CDA means that virtually all underground or 'illegal' traffic will be >distributed via encryption. > >As soon as the loony right and fundo Christians realise this, they *will* >call for legislation against encryption, and if the CDA is any benchmark, >they will easily win. 4-1-99. NYT: "Congress Passes "Children's Protection and Safe Information Highways" Bill" "In a vote of 479-12 in the House of Representatives and 93-5 in the Senate, the "Children's Protection and Safe Information Highways Bill" was sent to the President, who is expected to sign it on Thursday. "The Bill criminalizes the possession of unauthorized cryptographic programs and extends the Telecom Act of 1996 and the Digital Telephony Act of 1994 to regulate the new cyberspace frontier. "Attorney-General Louis Freeh pushed for the legislation, citing the growing use of cryptography by dissidents and criminals. "We are hoping Congress will next pass the "Secure and Decent Cyberspace Bill." This bill, nick-named the "Crypto-Kingpins Bill," will subject traffickers in illegal crypto to the same harsh penalties meted out to drug kingpins. "While it may seem harsh to execute a person for possession of a key greater than 60 bits, we must consider the terrible consequences for our children of people writing down things the government cannot read," Freeh said. BAD_nws

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Edited Edupage 6 Feb 1996
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"educom(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu" 7-FEB-1996 14:51:59.08 COLLEGES WORRY ABOUT NEW LIABILITY FOR INTERNET CONTENT The recent passage of the telecommunications reform bill has some college administrators worried over new liability issues for educational institutions that might unknowingly make "indecent" material available to minors through their Internet access operations. In addition, they've expressed concern over potential First Amendment violations if they censor the content too heavily. "We have programs on campus about date rape, unwanted pregnancy, and reproductive-health options, so I don't see how we'd tolerate censorship of that kind of information in the electronic format," says the head of telecommunications at Carnegie Mellon University. (Chronicle of Higher Education 9 Feb 96 A23) ---------------------- Edupage is written by John Gehl (gehl(a)educom.edu) & Suzanne Douglas (douglas(a)educom.edu) Voice: 404-371-1853, Fax: 404-371-8057. Technical support is provided by the Office of Information Technology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. *************************************************************** EDUPAGE is what you've just finished reading. (Please note that it's "Edupage" and not "EduPage.") To subscribe to Edupage: send a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu and in the body of the message type: subscribe edupage Willie Loman (assuming that your name is Willie Loman; if it's not, substitute your own name). ... To cancel, send a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu and in the body of the message type: unsubscribe edupage. (Subscription problems? Send mail to educom(a)educom.unc.edu.)

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Re: Need a "warning" graphic of some kind for CDA
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[This email rated FZ] >Now that we all have web pages that are naughty and might be seen by >little children, I'd like to hve some kind of a graphic that can >universally be seen as a "Warning: The following material is unsuitable >for children and close-minded twits". (or words to that effect). A Frank Zappa icon would be highly appropriate for that - I don't know how his record publishers would feel about someone scanning it off an album cover and retouching for the web, but you could probably work out something. A Zappa IMG button with HREF to a copy of his album language rating label would seem very fitting. Before Bill Clinton signed the Exon Internet Censorship Bill, Tipper Gore brought you Music Censorship. Uncle Frank says "<quote here>" I suppose it's a bit beyond Fair Use? #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com / billstewart(a)attmail.com +1-415-442-2215 # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs

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Re: VISA Electronic Purse
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At *Visa* International, the answer is: Replace cash with plastic. > > Last month, the giant association of card issuers announced >it had formed a coalition of banking and technology companies to >develop technical standards for a product it dubbed the >"Electronic Purse," a plastic card meant to replace coins and bills >in small transactions. Gosh, how many Real Men are going to carry an electronic "purse?"

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