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Re: Advertisement
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> The first program is included below, conventionally encrypted with PGP. For a total of just 12 [TWELVE] Tacky Tokens I'll release the password. Please send your COIN.DAT contributions by encrypting with the PGP key below and posting to alt.test with the subject: IGNORE - NEON. <- Is there a mac version?

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Re: Keyserver service outage
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack writes: > I think folks outside the US can legally run 2.4 or 2.5, as > there are no restrictions in their countries on using that software. > The difficulty is getting it outside of the US without getting anyone Not true. The problem is copyright, which is honored by Berne Convention signers even if they don't have software patents or patent-after-publishing rules like the US. This includes Europe, the U.S., and many other places. ViaCrypt 2.4 is copyrighted by ViaCrypt, and RSAREF is copyrighted by RSA, so you won't be able to use 2.5 source outside the US either; not sure about binaries. There's an easy cure for this, though - if some non-North-American wants to write an RSAREF-compatible software package in C and distribute it as freeware, then it can be used in non-US versions of things that require RSAREF. An interesting question is whether PGP 2.5 will include any restrictions on the non-RSAREF portions of the source code, like not talking to earlier PGPs, or the RSAREF interface glue not being exportable or whatever. But we'll see real soon. Bill

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MacPGP Help Needed
by MWayne＠eworld.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings-- I am trying to add a key to my public ring..when I indicate which text file to read, I get an ewrror message...as follows: > No keys found in 'Spectrum:Desktop Folder:Untitled 1'. > Keyring add error. > For a usage summary, type: pgp -h > For more detailed help, consult the PGP User's Guide. I am using MacPGP 2.3 (v1.05), the file is a text file, the key was generated with the ViaCrypt version of PGP Thanks in advance - --Mitch -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLcgc1TIAcJ9oIU2VAQF1PwP+MpLtaa/+Qn2FV4UtobQSve4L0Sg+daGK vYxbvzdtBlk83LYH8Lm1zE1xXmet5mqND0uvaJVZvXI9iFKcNOZ8vBmg/GKCdGOe reoACv8cgIdl5uWo/yP5LwWAdVsDawelOl+fnw7/KIl8+IUmL4eJ99QagI0QynHm Kve9LHuJIb4= =RyJ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAi2eV7AAAAEEAM2RhjhZynZHT7jCXVFTuJLsoq0OIiEgI/bSsPyrkZK8Y4Lt YZRSimv1Z3sX+pswbMuIIzxxUjAtlm3ICEHxXlNDhULphLqYCoMnodtwJNqxYZ9V qmSyndYs8CHuoTjBSjvQjmEgtrgC+RTzRI07p+EXOPSD9Ba3JDIAcJ9oIU2VABEB AAG0H01pdGNoIFdheW5lIDxNV2F5bmVAZVdvcmxkLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAtvgRS/O3L BWk4oUkBAesLA/0bB9RaUb1FWpi2wFZBnT/Ee/mpHPAlEU7KaqXppPYmdt592TN6 J5S95iXKBCz4YXw4mvaBQX6xB9aeFotKNlxDrUOO9EIEnyeLxRHNy7rVT/VPfCVt 8GZo8O3JFdmphqpoBhWdxtatbE1MJxj1AI0DSvd0viZeQqf3Qvbg3cyhMIkAlQIF EC2372oyAHCfaCFNlQEBRGoEAIeL9+jJiVCtMpbS0jXfJdGG9HcFXBnkOklg3XYc cHNwo+z4BbbxmBzRLToztmtfHIfZ9urebu4kbCUG3F3kkXawSbd4fn/bsYpyfBaO sUfaRSeBtK2yPh4LlW0yVdDZhDzAjpX51Lu5SF+vbs9yC0vHlGJ1ArurzRCvowUa xOATtCdNaXRjaCBXYXluZSA8NzEyNDEuMzUzNEBjb21wdXNlcnZlLmNvbT60HU1p dGNoIFdheW5lIDxNSFdheW5lQGFvbC5jb20+ =m2yi -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Keyserver service outage
by MWayne＠eworld.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- OK--so what about those of us who use MacPGP 2.3? Is there a new version 2.5 for Mac? If so where do I get it if I can't ftp to a site (sorry folks...don't hate me 'cause I don't have full Net access (yet!!))... - --Mitch -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLciSCzIAcJ9oIU2VAQEOGwP/bnX4Y/E2mPkPJdGmE1RXDMrLObrEtS19 XtrPVoAb3cZyqXE2IK9wWpBe65TwuMD8SxSk//hEe6Mw2j+mWoDOfOCwYAII+F86 wpuHdTLnDxThS109H5VyvH++g1/+n6xpAcAZFs4KILnLjXwcJMBabrnGDTjuS/Ld D76Ny9wKPiQ= =VYWy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAi2eV7AAAAEEAM2RhjhZynZHT7jCXVFTuJLsoq0OIiEgI/bSsPyrkZK8Y4Lt YZRSimv1Z3sX+pswbMuIIzxxUjAtlm3ICEHxXlNDhULphLqYCoMnodtwJNqxYZ9V qmSyndYs8CHuoTjBSjvQjmEgtrgC+RTzRI07p+EXOPSD9Ba3JDIAcJ9oIU2VABEB AAG0H01pdGNoIFdheW5lIDxNV2F5bmVAZVdvcmxkLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAtvgRS/O3L BWk4oUkBAesLA/0bB9RaUb1FWpi2wFZBnT/Ee/mpHPAlEU7KaqXppPYmdt592TN6 J5S95iXKBCz4YXw4mvaBQX6xB9aeFotKNlxDrUOO9EIEnyeLxRHNy7rVT/VPfCVt 8GZo8O3JFdmphqpoBhWdxtatbE1MJxj1AI0DSvd0viZeQqf3Qvbg3cyhMIkAlQIF EC2372oyAHCfaCFNlQEBRGoEAIeL9+jJiVCtMpbS0jXfJdGG9HcFXBnkOklg3XYc cHNwo+z4BbbxmBzRLToztmtfHIfZ9urebu4kbCUG3F3kkXawSbd4fn/bsYpyfBaO sUfaRSeBtK2yPh4LlW0yVdDZhDzAjpX51Lu5SF+vbs9yC0vHlGJ1ArurzRCvowUa xOATtCdNaXRjaCBXYXluZSA8NzEyNDEuMzUzNEBjb21wdXNlcnZlLmNvbT60HU1p dGNoIFdheW5lIDxNSFdheW5lQGFvbC5jb20+ =m2yi -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Anonymous phone calls.
by daily%cbpi.UUCP＠DMC.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Is there any way to make a phone call anonymously? Caller ID can be >blocked somewhat with one of those *## numbers dialed before the call >is made. Is there a way to route a call through a series of phone-type >remailer systems? This would allow one to make a call that would be as >hard to trace as anonymous mail. > Any ideas? < G.C.G. The best way to make a truly anonymous call is to hack a pbx. Most of them have a feature(This feature is turned off by default on AT&T pbx) that allows you to call into the pbx from any phone and get a second dial tone. Sometimes there is a code(4-8 digits on AT&T) you must enter to get the second dial tone. Also, you might have to dial the trunk access code (usually 8 or 9) to get an outside dial tone. The first dialtone lets you enter an extension # in the pbx. The reason that this is the best way is because if you are using a 900 service to make the anon call, you get billed at the number you are calling from, so if there were a trap on the line you were calling, they'd have the 900 service provider's number, the 900 service provider would have your number, and you'd no longer be anonymous. With the pbx hack, the likely hood of a trap being on this line is next to nothing. If there were a trap on the number you were making the anon call to, they would only get the number of the trunk that your call left the pbx on, not the number you were calling from. jim(a)cbpi.com

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Re: The Value of Money
by werner＠mc.ab.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 17:24:13 -0400 (EDT) >From: Llywelyn <samman(a)CS.YALE.EDU> > >Unless of course you have a $ bill that is a specie note. I have a few ten >dollar bills that state that they are redeemable for specie. I have some funny money, myself. I have several of the original federal reserve notes, that came out after the U.S. went off the silver standard. They look just like a silver certificate, except they say they are redeemable in "lawful money" instead of "silver". A couple of years later, once the fuss had died down, they changed them to say that they ARE "lawful money". Of course, if you took one of the original federal reserve notes to a federal reserve bank to redeem it, they just gave you another one, but the impression they gave the public was that you COULD get silver (i.e., what the public considered to be "lawful money") if you really wanted it. I had an interesting experience in the late '70s with a torn $50 bill. A friend's pit bull had chewed it, but it was mostly still there. Neither of us had a bank account, as we were trying to pretend we were bigshots (no paper trails, etc.). Since I was travelling occasionally to Wash, DC, I told him I could take it to the treasury department and get a good one. They took the bill away from me, and gave me a check for $50! I had to get my girlfriend to cash it. tw

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Re: EFF Summary of May 3 1994 Clipper and Digital Telephony Hearings
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Farber suggested that at >the very least Congress weld into law a guarantee that Clipper remain >voluntary, that the Judiciary be an escrow holder. He cautioned, in the >words of Benjamin Franklin, "They that can give up essential liberty to >obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Ben Franklin also said, "Three can keep a secret if two are dead."

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Re: Clipper and Congress
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

><In mail Stanton McCandlish said:> > >> Unlike the Senate panel, there seemed to be some support for the Clipper >> proposal on the House Subcommittee. Rep. Dan Glickman (D-KS), > > I wonder if these Representatives (and Senators for that matter) would be > so supportive of Clipper if they were reminded that for it to be effective > even THEY would have to have the chip on THEIR HOME PHONES, THEIR OFFICE > PHONES, THEIR CELLULAR PHONES... > > I doubt many Congressional members are "clean" enough to support a chip > with such a threat over their lives. > > "Hey, Rep. Joe Smith, did you know that if someone wanted to make a few > dollars they could get the key from escrow and blackmail you about that > affair you've been having!?" > > Just a thought > Jim > At one of the earlier CSSPAB board meetings, a bunch of law enforcement officers came to speak about Clipper. They pointed out that 13 states do not allow their state and local police to use wiretaps. Some officers surmised that this was because wiretaps are really valuable in cases of bribery and corruption. I.e. where crimes can be committed through talking. >-- > Tantalus Inc. Jim Sewell Amateur Radio: KD4CKQ > P.O. Box 2310 Programmer Internet: jims(a)mpgn.com > Key West, FL 33045 C-Unix-PC Compu$erve: 71061,1027 > (305)293-8100 PGP via email on request. > 1K-bit Fingerprint: 8E 14 68 90 37 87 EF B3 C4 CF CD 9A 3E F9 4A 73

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Re: Lobbying/Politics/etc.
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I suspect serious problems implenmenting a law that criminalizes crypto It wouldn't be that hard to get rid of lots of it, as long as they made exceptions to let the big corporate customers stay happy (e.g. banks). The key would be using the civil forfeiture abuse to let them confiscate computers that *appear* to be using illegal crypto; you can hire a lawyer to help you get your box back if they suspect it's got UnAmerican Software. Your goverment crypto license will let you use Clipper if you obey the rules; just think of it as your driver's license on the information superhighway.... The Feds could enforce the 55mph speed limits better if they used confiscation as well. Drowning in bad metaphors, .... Bill

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Forwarded mail...
by beckman＠smeagol.cs.hope.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Return-Path: <beckman(a)sauron.cs.hope.edu> > From: beckman(a)sauron.cs.hope.edu (Peter Beckman) > Subject: Well... now how about this? > To: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 14:30:24 -0400 (EDT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1176 > > > I've been reading up and down about all this clipper crap. Is it pheasable/possible to let the gov't do their little happy encryption scheme, > > BUT > > encrypt our conversation before the gov't encrypts it, so then it's double encrypted, so if the gov't decrypts our "conversation, information, etc.." all they get is crap anyway since that's just the way it is? THen the gov't will be happy, programmers will get great jobs from big companies to install neato different encryption schemes into their phone/pbx/fax/computers so the gov't can't watch them and then let the gov't watch the bad guys (at least the little ones who can't afford to pay our big fees) and lock them up just like they say they will... > > TO SUMMARIZE.... > > Let the gov't do the clipper. Pre-encrypt all data transmission before the clipper, so they can't read/see/hear/smell/touch it. What do you people think... > > Farmer Pete, once again, the Devil's Advocate > > PS--may as well get an arguement going.. By the way, does anyone have just a big ole text file on how to get free games on video games(with out 1,000,000 tokens, smashing electrical things, or using a string and a hook)... thanks. > >

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