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Remailer ping test
by M..Stirner＠f28.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG 28 Jun '93

28 Jun '93

* Reply to msg originally in CYPHERPUNKS Uu> I tried pinging all the remailers on the latest copy I have of Uu> Karl's remailer list (except extropia, which I know only accepts Uu> encrypted messages). I sent to each: Uu> :: Uu> Request-Remailing-To: hfinney(a)shell.portal.com Uu> then a short test message. Uu> I only heard back from 8 of them, to wit: Uu> hfinney(a)shell.portal.com Sun Jun 27 08:48:08 1993 Uu> hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu Sun Jun 27 08:48:15 1993 Uu> remail(a)tamsun.tamu.edu Sun Jun 27 08:48:38 1993 Uu> nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu Sun Jun 27 08:48:43 1993 Uu> phantom(a)u.washington.edu Sun Jun 27 08:48:40 1993 Uu> elee7h5(a)rosebud.ee.uh.edu Sun Jun 27 08:48:56 1993 Uu> hal(a)alumni.cco.caltech.edu Sun Jun 27 08:48:59 1993 Uu> dis.org!remailer(a)merde.dis.org Sun Jun 27 09:17:24 1993 I have had problems with getting the same test routed through hh@soda and phantom(a)u.washington. I have not tried dis.org! yet. Uu> I did not hear back from the following remailers. Perhaps their Uu> operators could check on them, or notify Karl if they are no longer Uu> operating. Uu> 1: hh(a)pmantis.berkeley.edu Uu> 2: hh(a)cicada.berkeley.edu Uu> 6: remail(a)tamaix.tamu.edu Uu> 7: ebrandt(a)jarthur.claremont.edu Uu> 9: remailer(a)rebma.mn.org Uu>14: 00x(a)uclink.berkeley.edu #6 has worked for me. The others have not, though the hh@_berkeley remailers will sometimes work if the message is first bounced through another reliable remailer. Why this should be, I know not. Sending the PGP-encrypted message & header to remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com seems to work very well for losing those stupid footer IDs, & is usually my first leg of multiple-bounce test transmissions. BTW, I note that hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu has a different address in the first batch of successful remailers. The address hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu has worked well. Uu> Hal Uu> hfinney(a)shell.portal.com Thanks for your efforts! ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via FidoNet node 1:125/1 UUCP: ...!uunet!kumr!shelter!28!M..Stirner INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

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SEARCH ME
by Duncan Frissell 28 Jun '93

28 Jun '93

(an12070) It is rarely to one's advantage to "assist the police." In fact in British English the sentence "Fred C. Schwartz is assisting the police in their investigation" means that Fred C. Schwartz is the prime suspect. (Trivia contest for ex right wing nuts - Who was Fred C. Schwartz?) My search warrant story need not use penet.fi. In the early 80's I was residing in a rented house in a city located in a region of the country that was once Democratic Farm Labor Party territory. Being an inveterate reader of the newspaper, I was one day surprised to discover that our house was to be searched by the authorities at some point in the next few weeks. Specifically, the article said that the houses on <my> block of <my> street were going to be searched as part of a survey to determine how many had illegal basement drains. Apparently the criminals who had constructed much of the housing in that neighborhood in the 1920s had connected basement drains to the *storm sewers* from whence who knows what hideous substances could drain into the navigable waters of the United States without undergoing tertiary, secondary, or even primary treatment. What's more, they had not complied with the Water Quality Act of 1970, as amended. Who could believe that such evil exists in the human heart. My wife (who in many ways was just the sort of female Kipling had in mind when he penned 'Deadlier Than the Male') and I decided to resist this search. Since I was away during the day, it would fall to here to deal with the authorities. In due course, a sewer inspector rang our doorbell. My wife demanded to see his warrant. He was shocked and mortified. He tried to talk her into allowing the search. He used primate arguments like "everyone else is letting us in." My wife used Northern European arguments like "I'm not everyone else." He went away. Over the next few weeks, various bureaucrats called my wife and tried to get her to change her mind. They said, "You're not going to force us to waste all that time and money and get a warrant, are you?" She replied, "Consider it a valuable education on the 4th amendment." Eventually, they showed up with a warrant and some cops just in case we resisted. My wife took her time reading the warrant. It said they could search the basement so she led them around to the back door and led them down to the basement where they discovered our criminal drain. If I hadn't been working 70 hours a week, maybe I would have had fun and tried to quash (not squash) the warrant and explored the modern case law involving regulatory searches - a nasty area. When we told our neighbors what we had done they said that they didn't know that one could resist a warrantless search. A good time was had by all. Quo warranto? This was also a town where the public and catholic schools all ended summer vacation on the same day. After that day, my youngest daughter was going about from place to place without apparent lawful occupation when an officious intermeddler asked her why she wasn't in school. She then told her questioner what I had told her to say, "My father doesn't believe in your schools, he says that they are all dominated by communists." Shuts them up every time. Duncan Frissell Who is writing this in the terrorist capital of the US - Jersey City, NJ - but who has been denied a tactically necessary assault rifle by Governor Jim Florio. When amonium nitrate and diesel fuel in a 16 to 1 ratio are outlawed only outlaws (and farmers) will have amonium nitrate and diesel fuel in a 16 to 1 ratio.

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Landlords accepting search warrants....
by bear＠eagle.fsl.noaa.gov 27 Jun '93

27 Jun '93

An anonymous writer wrote: >9) I still wonder if the officers would have been able to get a warrant >under my circumstances. At the time I was convinced that they wouldn't >have without additional evidence (of which there assurredly is none). >I had in the back of my mind that I would rather have them search when >I didn't expect it or through my landlord when I wasn't there. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This keeps popping up, probably due to old _Dragnet_ episodes... As I understand contract law regarding leases, a landlord _cannot_ grant permission for a police search unless the lease is in default. Or, more precisely, if they did you could sue them for "breach of contract" and extract pretty hefty penalties. Perhaps California leases have some standard clause which permits this, but in general a "lease" transfers all "non-freeholder" property rights, except for those explicitly -returned- within the contract. That means the tenant is the property owner for all intents and purposes except for "freeholder" rights (e.g., a tenant can't sell the property). Bear Giles

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Re: remailer origin lines
by M..Stirner＠f28.n125.z1.RBBS-NET.ORG 27 Jun '93

27 Jun '93

* Reply to msg originally in CYPHERPUNKS Uu> How about a header line such as: Uu> X-Cut-End-Lines: 6 Uu> Which would instruct the remailer to cut the last six lines Uu> off the mail message as it receives it. Thus a user could figure out Uu> how many lines at the end of his message is added on without his Uu> control and instruct the remailer to cut out that amount of lines. The number of lines added seems to vary with the gating. I'm sort of leaning toward a ........8<....(cut here).....8<....... kind of solution; I mean, I know for a fact where I stopped, so anything beyond that ought to be eaten by the remailers, IMHO. There is probably a good argument against that solution, but I can't think of it offhand. ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via RBBS-NET node 8:914/201 INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.RBBS-NET.ORG

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RE: term for ibm
by Pat Farrell 27 Jun '93

27 Jun '93

In Message Fri, 25 Jun 1993 16:07:03 -1000 (HST), Timothy Newsham <newsham(a)wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu> writes: >The problem is that the package is (c) and shareware. Furthermore >none of the documents say anything about the status of the >demo programs. I estimate it would take 30 minutes to an >hour to get encryption up and running with that term program. > >Does anyone know of a small terminal program that has >a few essential features, with good modularity? One that >is publically available or we could use with the authors >blessings? The Microsoft C/C++ compilers come with the source code for a simple windows based terminal program. While it is copyrighted, it is all over the planet. In Timmothy Mann's book: Windows Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications, isbn 0-672-30030-3, are sample code for a mid-level terminal program (complete with xmodem). The source is in the book and on a diskette. There are _no_ copyright messages in the sources. The book itself, is of course, copyrighted. In Mark Nelson's book: Serial Communications: a C++ Developer's Guide isbn 1-55851-281-0, are sample code (and diskette)in C++ for DOS, Windows, FOSSIL, and pure UART drivers and a terminal program (complete with ZModem). The code _does not work_ for Windows, but works fine with DOS. Again, no copyright messages in the source code. Kermit (anon-ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu) is a free, source available terminal program. Copyrighted Columbia, but enhancements encouraged. Kermit's modularity is at best marginal. Nelson's code is very good. Mann's is acceptable. The Windows TTY is acceptable, but being a Windows program, hardly counts as "small" The Microsoft Visual Control Pack for Visual Basic and Visual C++ includes a "serial control" that should handle most of the hard work in building a terminal program. I can't get it to work from MSVC, and can find no one else on the planet that can either. But if you wanted to start in Visual Basic, I expect that a simple terminal program is no more than a day's work. Pat p.s. I'm using a hacked version of MS TTY as the starting point for my WinPOP mail client. If you think I've spend several hundred dollars looking for working code to build upon, you're right. Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)cs.gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 27 Jun '93

27 Jun '93

----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to toad.com: >>> RCPT To:<cyhperpunks(a)toad.com> <<< 550 <cyhperpunks(a)toad.com>... User unknown 550 cyhperpunks(a)toad.com... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by sun.Panix.Com id AA25038 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for cyhperpunks(a)toad.com) Sat, 26 Jun 1993 08:58:20 -0400 From: Harry Shapiro <habs> Message-Id: <199306261258.AA25038(a)sun.Panix.Com> Subject: Re: Government fear of strong crypto To: kellyg(a)sco.com (Kelly Goen) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: cyhperpunks(a)toad.com In-Reply-To: <9306241425.aa09999(a)vishnu.sco.com> from "Kelly Goen" at Jun 24, 93 02:25:06 pm Reply-To: habs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 325 a conscious being, Kelly Goen wrote: > > 1) The NSA is not chartered for domestic surveillance work. I figure this means the FBI has an office at the NSA and has NSA staff members working under contract to the FBI so that while the NSA is ot overseeing domestic interception their staff is doing it for the FBI. /hawk

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Int'l Conf on Signal Processing Apps & Tech, Santa Clara, 28Sep93
by gnu 26 Jun '93

26 Jun '93

Folks interested in DSP's, including voice compression and encryption, fast exponentiation, etc, may want to attend this conference. Particular sessions of interest: Workshop, 27 Sep: Low Cost Speech Compression Technology for Consumer Applications. (costs extra $150) Digital Encryption System for Speech Communication over the Public Switching Telephone Network, Sofi'a Moreno Pe'rez, Rafael Sarmiento de Sotomayor, Luis Di'ez del Ri'o, Jose' Parera Bermu'dez, Marcelino Veiga Pe'rez, and Ramo'n Garcia Go'mez, E.T.S.I. de Telecomunicacio'n, Spain. Real-Time Implementation of Variable Rate QCELP Codec using TMS320C30 DSP, Kyongo Han, Byungsik Yoon, Insung Lee, and Sangwon Kang, Electronics & Telecom. Research Institute, Korea Improving the Cryptanalysis Algorithms Based Upon the Multiple Residues, S.J. Tabatabaian and G.P. Singh, University of Newcastle upon Tyne, U.K. three more papers on Speech Coding Algorithms 15 more papers on Speech Coding Implementation and about 100 other papers. Price: $495 before 25Aug93; $595 after. Students: $350 before, $425 after. DSP Associates 18 Peregrine Road Newton Centre, MA 02159 USA +1 617 964 3817 +1 617 969 6689 DSPWorld(a)world.std.com

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No Subject
by nobody＠cicada.berkeley.edu 26 Jun '93

26 Jun '93

* Reply to msg originally in CYPHERPUNKS > Are most remailers down on any given day? _That_ question has been partially answered in another post! Uu> Well, I really used only 5 different remailers, total of 16 hops. I Uu> Should haf made that clearer. Uu> This message will go through 24 hops, just for the heck of it. Well, it made it, I suppose. I'll try this one via the same remailers, plus another one I know to be working. ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via RBBS-NET node 8:914/201 INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.RBBS-NET.ORG

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Remailer at rebma.mn.org
by nobody＠soda.berkeley.edu 26 Jun '93

26 Jun '93

* Reply to msg originally in CYPHERPUNKS Uu> My apologies to anyone who has tried to use the anonymous remailer at Uu> rebma.mn.org in the past several weeks. Uu> I imagine that people who weren't successful were Uu> experimenters who chalked up the failure to something they'd done Uu> wrong. I did, indeed! Uu> It's working again, now. Uu> Here's the PGP key. Does this remailer _require_ an encrypted header, or will it take the | | :: | Request-Remailing-To: | plaintext command? ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via RBBS-NET node 8:914/201 INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.RBBS-NET.ORG

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No Subject
by nobody＠soda.berkeley.edu 26 Jun '93

26 Jun '93

* Reply to msg originally in CYPHERPUNKS Uu> It is rarely to one's advantage to "assist the police." In fact in Uu> British English the sentence "Fred C. Schwartz is assisting the police Uu> in their investigation" means that Fred C. Schwartz is the prime Uu> suspect. Rather like "very tired" when used to describe the public appearance of an MP as in, "...Sir Henry appeared very tired." The term "very tired" apparently is the pervasive newspaper euphemism for "very drunk." Uu> My wife (who in many ways was just the sort of female Kipling had in Uu> mind when he penned 'Deadlier Than the Male')... Splendid finds, these, when one can keep them in alliance. It's always a joy to introduce them to firearms. Uu> In due course, a sewer inspector rang Uu> our doorbell. My wife demanded to see his warrant. He was shocked Uu> and mortified. Uu> Over the next few weeks, various bureaucrats called my wife and tried Uu> to get her to change her mind. They said, "You're not going to force Uu> us to waste all that time and money and get a warrant, are you?" She Uu> replied, "Consider it a valuable education on the 4th amendment." I won't waste a great deal of time in idle & uninformed speculation, but I seem to remember that certain "public safety" types do not need a warrant to intrude. As a matter of fact, I know of instances where cops accompanied such functionaries on trumped-up "inspections" to avoid the trouble of getting warrants. . I should be pleased to hear qualified legal opinion on this. Uu> Who is writing this in the terrorist capital of the US - Jersey City, Uu> NJ - but who has been denied a tactically necessary assault rifle by Uu> Governor Jim Florio. Yes, but don't you feel _much safer_ disarmed? No? Well, be content with a nice shotgun. Uu> When amonium nitrate and diesel fuel in a 16 to 1 ratio are outlawed Uu> only outlaws (and farmers) will have amonium nitrate and diesel fuel Uu> in a 16 to 1 ratio. This shall no doubt turn up in sigs before week's end. ********************************************************************* * <m..stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.fidonet.org> - PGP Key D30909 via servers * * > What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not <* * > warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit <* * > of resistance? Let them take arms!" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 <* ********************************************************************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -- M. Stirner - via RBBS-NET node 8:914/201 INTERNET: M..Stirner(a)f28.n125.z1.RBBS-NET.ORG

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