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Speaking of get togethers....
by David Heck 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

While we're on the subject, is there anyone on the list in the NE Ohio area (Cleveland) interested in getting together? I'd love to go to Boston or the West Coast, but just can't swing it with my work schedule ;-) David

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Re: Remailer ping test
by remail＠tamsun.tamu.edu 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

[list of defunct remailers (?)] > 1: hh(a)pmantis.berkeley.edu > 2: hh(a)cicada.berkeley.edu > 6: remail(a)tamaix.tamu.edu > 7: ebrandt(a)jarthur.claremont.edu > 9: remailer(a)rebma.mn.org > 14: 00x(a)uclink.berkeley.edu > > Hal > hfinney(a)shell.portal.com The remailer at remail(a)tamaix.tamu.edu and remail(a)tamsun.tamu.edu are working. Must have been a temporary problem Hal. Thanks for checking it out. Carlos -- [ Carlos Macedo Gomes ][ The Message is ][: .8. :]------ [ gomes(a)tamu.edu ][ the Media ][ . ooo . ]000000 [ cmghelp(a)tamsun.tamu.edu ][ :Marshall McLuhan ][ : =o(Y)o= : ]000000 [ PGP 2.2 key by finger ][30 37 40 N, 96 20 03 W][oo .ooooo. oo]------

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cryptomoney
by Gerald Dejong 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

hello folks! i brought up a question about cryptomoney, and i was sent this from a fellow called John Nieder. JN>"Digital money" is a favorite subject of the whiz kids on the usenet JN>"Cypherpunks" request. If you have access to a FIDO/UUCP gate, send a JN>request for this mailing to cypherpunks(a)toad.com to receive it via JN>netmail. is there something you can send me? )gdj( --- þ DeLuxeý 1.21 #11557 þ testosterone: my drug of choice

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Boston cpunx meeting?
by Peter Breton 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

Are Boston area folks interested in another get together? The last one I went to (early April) was a blast... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Breton pbreton(a)cs.umb.edu PGP key by finger =========================================================================

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PGP speech coding on SoundBlaster
by L. Detweiler 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

This person is very serious about developing a scrambler based on PGP and Soundblaster, topics that get banged around here alot (``...with great sound and fury, told by an idiot, signifying nothing.'') There is room for suggestions on approaches or (more importantly) volunteers in coding. He does not subscribe to the list because of volume. ------- Forwarded Message From: dorsey(a)lila.com (Bill Dorsey) Subject: PGP Mailing List Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT) - --- BEGIN SUMMARY --- Voice-PGP is a software package that will allow PC owners to have secure communications over insecure phone lines. It will require only that the users possess a modem capable of 9600 baud or greater and own a SoundBlaster compatible sound card. Later versions may support other sound cards. As the project stands now, I have developed a large number of speech coders of varying complexity based on coders discussed in the literature from the early 70's to the present. Although the sound quality is generally poor among the simple coders at these bit rates, they do allow computers not blessed with fast CPUs to make use of the software. The more complex coders produce sound quality equal to or better than local two-way radio communications and operate on contemporary (486 and fast 386-based) PCs. In addition to the coders, I have developed a simple user-interface and an expandable packet-based communications protocol. What remains to be done includes writing driver modules for the modem (I'll assume they are Hayes compatible) and SoundBlaster card in addition to coding up a set of functions to implement the communications protocol and hooks for encryption. Finally, I'll need to integrate all of the above together and test it out. Initial code development is being done on a Sun Sparcstation and a 486-based PC running Linux. As my DOS experience is severely limited, it is my hope that someone will come forward and volunteer to port the software to DOS. Since the code is being written with portability in mind, this should require little more than re-writing the driver modules. - --- END SUMMARY --- I hope this isn't too long. Feel free to edit/condense as you feel is appropriate. - -- Bill Dorsey "Give me your tired, your poor, I'll piss on 'em dorsey(a)lila.com That's what the Statue of Bigotry says." PGP 2.x public -- Lou Reed key on request ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Kleinpaste's Charcoal anonymous server
by L. Detweiler 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

One person asked about the Charcoal remailer. I try to stay on top of this area of anonymity servers and have corresponded with the owner Karl Kleinpaste extensively in the past. First, I would like to encourage *everyone* who wants to create and run an anonymous server, which is time-consuming, thankless, and even painful at times, and don't want any of my comments to be construed otherwise. I think something disparaging could probably be said about any remailer operator. However, I also think that remailer policies vary and that we should keep track of the practices and reputed integrity of operators as much as possible. Under that vein I'll just make a few *candid* comments to cypherpunks on Mr. Kleinpaste. Please *do not* forward these notes anywhere. Kleinpaste started his server early this year mostly in response to alt.personals, with the death of another server, I believe. In a *very* scorching-hot incident, an estranged boyfriend posted nude pictures of his old girlfriend to alt.binaries.pictures or some other newsgroup. It is not clear to me that he used an anonymous server to do so--I believe he did not based on some testimony of others. Anyway, this caused a huge eruption as these things inevitably do, and legal action was in motion against the person in his hometown. The guy apparently *later* used Kleinpaste's anonymous server to send mail to another anonymous person who he thought worked with the girlfriend's mother. I guess there was some extortion or `threats' in the letters. Anyway, Kleinpaste gave all the persons mail to the `authorities' (despite marginal relevance to the original picture-posting) and got very emotional and wrapped up in the whole case. In fact, he acted, in my view, very paternalistic in the way a father would protect his daughter. (At one point he made the comment that the young girl had moved to a new town and `was making new friends' -- something that sounds like something one's parent's would say, eh?) BTW--the estranged boyfriend was never prosecuted apparently due to gray legal areas and prosecution cost. Kleinpaste also revealed how a person was suicidal and was posting through his server. It's not clear to me what he did but I think he said he tried to contact the person's home institution. Here is where the ethical quandaries of anonymous servers are rather intense! What should an operator do if a person, who is using the system in *trust* of their anonymity, is suicidal? Is about to commit a crime? Involved in a conspiracy? Well, I'm not advocating anything, but the stance of `unhindered carrier' is certainly the least problematic from the operator point of view. Anyway, through all this it seemed to be clear to me that Kleinpaste may be regularly reading some of the mail that is going through his server, and in any case probably keeping fairly thorough logs. Look at his policies! Essentially they are: if you don't post anything offensive, I'm behind you. If you do, I will restrict your access temporarily, permantently, or even expose you. Kleinpaste soured very seriously on the whole idea of the anonymous server and killed it. Then in the big flame wars J. Palmer started up his server and Kleinpaste appeared to want some attention that Julf & others were getting. I found it highly incongruous in the least and hypocritical at worst given some of his statements on `bastards who abuse the service' that he restarted his own -- he's one of the most strong-mouthed people on that subject. Anyway, charcoal.com seems to have been humming along for a few months now and Kleinpaste does not appear to be ready to shut it down anytime soon. It posts to a limited number of groups. He tells me that he has refused requests to `out' a particular individual in alt.personals by another prominent individual. So, I'd say that if you have his endorsement for your use of anonymity, it's a safe server. But if you're on morally gray areas in your use, by *his* definitions, then Caveat Emptor. p.s. one reference on all this is rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-anonymity. I would document further these really volatile incidents (esp. the `nude picture posting') but don't have enough eye-witness accounts to do so (in particular, not my own).

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Wired tidbit about NSA
by Timothy L. Nali 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

Here's a little something about the NSA from the latest issue of Wired: pg 25, in the middle type Clipper Purposely Clipped? Sources cloas to those in the know on Captial Hill claim that NSA deliberately sabatoged the poorly considered Clipper encryption chip (rolled out to the Net.public's dismay by the White House early this spring). The NSA, our sources say, would like nothing more than to see the the Clipper chip fail, resulting in the outlawing of encryption altogether ("Gee, we tried..."). The Electronic Frontier Foundation's response to the Clipper plan, which has been in the works for four years and was formulated by the NSA: "We should not rely on the government as the sole source for Clipper or any other chip. Rather, independent chip manufacturers should be able to produce chip sets based on open standards." ----------------------------------------------------------------- While I wouldn't take this as absolute truth yet, it is certainly food for thought. --Phelix /----- P h e l i x ' s P s y c h o t i c P h i l o s o p h i e s -----\ ***************************************************************************** Perfect Paranoia is Perfect Awareness \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/ _____________________________________________________________________________ Tim Nali \ "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of tn0s(a)andrew.cmu.edu \ the dreams" -Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

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mailers not liking + in the address
by TO1SITTLER＠APSICC.APS.EDU 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

There is, of course, a way around this if you have telnet... telnet to port 25 on charcoal.com, or to somewhere else if you can't reach there, and enter your message as per RFC-821, SMTP. Directions for the lazy: once you get an acknowledgement from the remote computer, type helo apsicc.aps.edu (or whatever your computer is called) It should greet you or hang up. So if it didn't hang up, type mail from: <your name here> DON'T FORGET THE ANGLE BRACKETS! Then, type rcpt to: <anonymus+info(a)charcoal.com> if you connected to charcoal directly, or rcpt to: <@somecomputer.com:anonymus+info@charcoal.com> where somecomputer.com is where you are connected to. (It is possible this is wrong and @somecomputer.com either: a) is not necessary or b) should appear in the mail from: line. Try it.) Then, type data and type in the From:, To: Subject:, Date:, Message-ID:, and so on fields. Send yourself a message to find out how it should look. Make the Message-ID something that will not be replicated by the computer you are on. Follow this with a blank line, and type the body of your message. Double any periods appearing alone on lines. End your message with a period alone on a line. Then type quit to close the connection. (BTW: this provides a certain amount of anonymity without need for a remailer, but it is then possible to detect which computer you are mailing from. I sent the anonymous message about people not doing something if you make it hard enough by this method, as a demo, but I kind of botched it. The message arrived, but it did not look right.) Kragen, SMTP wizard (NOT!) hee hee

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Remailer Test
by nobody＠mead.u.washington.edu 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

This is a remailer test. Please forgive the waste of time/space.

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REMAIL: problems
by Karl Barrus 30 Jun '93

30 Jun '93

There must be some correlation between my weekend trips and other events. Last time I went out of town was "Cliper weekend" :-) I've tested the remailers with unencrypted requests, and have received these replies (within seconds, I might add): soda.berkeley.edu cicada.berkeley.edu pmantis.berkeley.edu bsu-cs.bsu.edu alumni.caltech.edu rosebud.ee.uh.edu mead.u.washington.edu shell.portal.com tamsun.tamu.edu tamaix.tamu.edu <-- note, 'Return-Path: remail(a)tamaix.tamu.edu' 'From: remail(a)tamsun.tamu.edu' just in case you see the from line and think tamaix isn't working So I'll wait for the others (rebma, extropia, utter, uclink, jarthur) and then try them all with encrypted requests. A while ago I had a script test all the remailers once a week - I wasn't able to have a cron entry, but I used the 'at' command to schedule the mailing of prepared messages and itself every week. Maybe I'll start that up again since it would help isolate problems if a remailer doesn't respond, especially if twice in a row. /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf(a)menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus(a)tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/

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