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CDR: Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..
by Anonymous 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Asymmetric wrote: > At 10:54 09/19/2000 +0200, harald(a)f00.nu wrote: > >At 17:08 2000-09-18 -0400, you wrote: > >>That the list be changed so that unregistered email addresses cannot send > >>messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. > > > >I suppose you know why we donŽt have that (the remailing issue). But I > >kinda have another idea. Just start every subject line with eg -C-P- like > >I did now, then it would be really easy to filter all the mail. > > Last I checked the remailers allowed return mail to be sent through them, > to the owner of the anonymous account.. isn't that the point? It's easy You checked quite a long time ago. Return mail isn't possible with Type 1 or Type 2 remailers. > enough to forge the email header that I can't believe they exist just to > totally isolate anyone from the responses.. how would someone using a > remailer even join the list (to receive messages) if that was the point? You use a remailer to post to the list, not to read it. > The only part where I see this being useful is if somebody has some kind of > anonymous announcement to make, where they don't intend to join the list. Huh? > The benefits of having the list open to unsubscribed postings seem far > outweighed by the cost in time spent by everyone filtering messages and > server resources that could be better spent running dnetc if nothing else > ;). It's just auxiliary that I've never seen an anonymous post to the list > in the past when I subscribed, nor more recently since I > resubscribed. Undoubtedly some smartass will send an anonymous message to > the list now just to say "see!" :P Well, if you would stop using the toad.com address, you might have less spam. > There has to be some way around this that will still preserve anonymity, > although one doesn't seem readily apparent unless the anonymous party > subscribes under their pseudonym. pseudonymity != anonymity. > What about just creating another list (closed-posting) and then just > allowing people to choose which to subscribe to? Obviously, the > open-posting list would be subscribed to the closed posting list, but not > the other way around.. so at the risk of missing the massively important > anonymous message that has yet to be sent, I could eliminate some of this spam? Been there, tried that. There is nothing wrong with the current setup. -S.R.

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CDR: RE: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop
by Michael Motyka 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

>At 2:09 PM -0400 9/19/00, Templeton, Stuart wrote: >>wtf was the "Qualcomm Chief" doing walking around with secrets of that >>severity, much less on a laptop, on a podium in a HOTEL CONFERENCE ROOM >?????????? > >As with "A. Melon," you apparently don't bother to read the news. > >Jacobson was giving a talk, using his laptop for the talk, and >stepped away for a few moments to talk to some journalists. > >One can learn from his mistake, but the thrust of your comments, >"walking around with secrets of that severity..." is way off-base. > >Folks, if you don't read the news, or watch it on CNN and CNBC and >the like, please don't feel compelled to add foolish remarks. > >--Tim May >-- > Bad move. Apart from the insider trading sort of info that might be present on the machine maybe the most interesting thing would be e-mail or specs relating to LE access to communications systems. Maybe some generous thief will forward some good material to John.

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CDR: Re: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop - AP article illegal under DMCA?
by Kerry L. Bonin 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

At 01:44 PM 9/19/00 -0400, A. Melon wrote: >PC with Corporate Secrets > Disappears > Qualcomm Chiefs Laptop Taken from Podium > > Sept. 18, 2000 > > IRVINE, Calif. (AP) -- The personal portable [snip] > If security on Jacobs laptop was limited only to password protection > _ rather than a more advanced encryption scheme -- "its extremely > unlikely that it will take any more than removing the hard drive and > hooking it up to another computer to read all the files," Abbott said. Doesn't the above message now constitute a crime under DMCA? Couldn't Microsoft and/or Qualcomm now bring charges against the AP for revealing how to circumvent their protection (sic) measures?

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CDR: RE: was: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
by Trei, Peter 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

> Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] wrote: > > Jeesh. > > (From a practical standpoint, here in the Bay Area there is a growing > oversupply of lawyers. According to the newspapers, modulo their > biases and inaccuracies, many lawyer larvae are accepting "paralegal" > positions. As with past "shortages of doctors" and "shortages of > teachers," the boom-bust cycle continues. [...] Doctors, lawyers, teachers... All three groups share a certain property: They have effective control over who may practice their profession. In their own self-interest, they act to stifle competition. There are, of course weasel words to justify this: 'maintaining standards' being the most common ones. Teacher's unions rail against merit pay and vouchers, which would provide some notion of a competitive market in education. The unions insist on a seniority system. They even attempt to ban volunteer part-time teachers on 'quality' grounds, so you can't go in and give a computer class if you wanted to, since you don't have a teaching degree. Similar points can be made about doctors, and the use of IANAL indicates the fevered grip the bar associations have on legal advice and representation. Howver, the teaching and medical professions can't act to increase their feedstock - uneducated-as-yet children and ailing people respectively. Idle tort lawyers can, and do, dream up new ways to sue and generally make the world a nastier place as they enrich themselves. Only rulers are worse. Imagine if the software business were like this - that the programmers of the late 40's had formed an American Programmers Association, and it was unlawful for anyone without APA certification to write code for money. Ditto for using software not blessed by the APA. Entrance to the hallowed membership would, of course, require a four year electrical engineering degree followed by a post graduate degree from an accredited computer school. I'll leave it to others to imagine the world with an APA. I think it would be a much poorer place. Peter Trei Disclaimer: the above represents my opinion only. IANAL.

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CDR: RE: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop
by Templeton, Stuart 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

>As with "A. Melon," you apparently don't bother to read the news. true, sadly i'm not as up-to-date as i could be, as i have little free time and (blah blah excuse, blah, yeah, you get the idea) but that's SORTOF one of the reasons i've subscribed to this list (btw, i appoligize to everyone for being less than constructive or conversational in this email) >Jacobson was giving a talk, using his laptop for the talk, and >stepped away for a few moments to talk to some journalists. i caught this, and i think this is foolish. the "wtf was he doing that" thing was sortof a figure of speech, sorry. >One can learn from his mistake, but the thrust of your comments, >"walking around with secrets of that severity..." is way off-base. one can learn from ones mistakes indeed (his or mine??), however wether or not my statement is "off-base" is debatable... and though i guess the importance of the secrets is as well. so is the guy out "trade secrets" (and what not) or is he just out a nice little laptop? so with that in mind i came to the conclusion that they felt that they suffered a larger loss than 4000$ (i don't really know the price of the laptop)... simply put, i guess, if i had trade secrets that could potentialy cause as much damage to worry people like that , i wouldn't leave it alone, not for 15-20, not for 5, and not to talk to some journalists. honestly, though, i'm not really one to judge, as i've never been in his position before. (though i still maintain his action foolish, much as you probably view my emails now ! :) )and i'll try and hold back the urge to join in conversation and add opinion and potential new views on various situations that arise on this list. perhaps i'll learn more about that way. -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of Tim May Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop At 2:09 PM -0400 9/19/00, Templeton, Stuart wrote: >wtf was the "Qualcomm Chief" doing walking around with secrets of that >severity, much less on a laptop, on a podium in a HOTEL CONFERENCE ROOM ?????????? As with "A. Melon," you apparently don't bother to read the news. Jacobson was giving a talk, using his laptop for the talk, and stepped away for a few moments to talk to some journalists. One can learn from his mistake, but the thrust of your comments, "walking around with secrets of that severity..." is way off-base. Folks, if you don't read the news, or watch it on CNN and CNBC and the like, please don't feel compelled to add foolish remarks. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: HoosierTimes.com: "State police suspend access to data base "
by auto87114＠hushmail.com 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
by Kevin Elliott 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, jlhoffm(a)attglobal.net wrote: >Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website >from another world. I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de. -- Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott <mailto:kelliott@mac.com> ICQ#23758827 _______________________________________________________________________________ "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." -- Justice William O. Douglas

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CDR: rsa party correction
by Sameer Parekh 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

I made an error in the RSA party announcement. You do not need to wait until you receive an invitation after sending in your RSVP. Just send in your RSVP and print out the announcement as your invitation. thanks, -s

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RE: CDR: Re: would it be so much to ask
by raze 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

I believe you are correct. Johan Helsingius operated the world's most popular anonymous remailer, called penet.fi, until he closed up shop in September 1996. Helsingius' troubles started when he was raided in 1995 by the Finnish police after the Church of Scientology complined that a penet.fi customer was posting the "church's" secrets on the Net. Helsingius mothballed the remailer after a Finnish court ruled he must reveal the customer's real e-mail address. On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, BMM wrote: > Perhaps the penet remailer, which shut down in 9/96, is the one > being referred to. See http://www.penet.fi. If memory serves, > it was by far the most popular (pseudo|ano)nymous of the time. > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Kevin Elliott wrote: > >> At 12:43 -0400 9/19/00, Asymmetric wrote: >> Actually asshole, there are plenty of anonymous remailers that >> DO let you reply to the originator. In case you're just a bit >> wet behind the ears yet and hadn't heard, a while back there >> was a big problem with one of them when the government ordered >> them to release their database mapping the pseudonyms back to >> the originators. >> >> Oh? Name one please. After all, it would sort of defeat the >> purpose... As to your comment about having a database mapping >> pseudonyms to names, if one of those exists for a given >> remailer, it's not an ananymous remailer. I certainly hope >> none of the remailers in use by users here do such things.

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CDR: RE: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop
by Templeton, Stuart 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

wtf was the "Qualcomm Chief" doing walking around with secrets of that severity, much less on a laptop, on a podium in a HOTEL CONFERENCE ROOM ?????????? 486 laptops dissappear quicker than that at the university here. lol -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of A. Melon Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop "contained proprietary information that could be valuable to foreign governments." Kinda interesting statement about a telecoms machine. Foreign govts? PC with Corporate Secrets Disappears Qualcomm Chiefs Laptop Taken from Podium Sept. 18, 2000 IRVINE, Calif. (AP) -- The personal portable computer of Qualcomm Inc.s chief executive officer, which apparently contained valuable company secrets, disappeared from a hotel conference room moments after he addressed a national business journalists meeting. Irwin Jacobs left the computer unattended on a podium or an adjoining table in the Hyatt Regency-Irvine ballroom on Saturday for 15-20 minutes when he stepped down to talk to a small group after addressing about 90 members of the Society of American Business Editors and Writers. Proprietary information Jacobs told people at the conference that the IBM laptop, which he had used for a slide show-type presentation focusing on Qualcomms wireless telecommunications technology, contained proprietary information that could be valuable to foreign governments. Qualcomm is a leader in wireless technology -- a boom market of the burgeoning telecommunications revolution -- with $3.9 billion in revenues last year. It designs and produces chips for wireless communications devices and holds hundreds of patents whose royalties provide it with the bulk of its earnings. SABEWs president Byron Calame, deputy managing editor of The Wall Street Journal, expressed sorrow at the event and noted that people with access to the area "included registrants, exhibitors and guests at our conference, hotel staff and perhaps others." Very disturbing "Its very disturbing to him," company spokeswoman Christine Trimble said of the 66-year-old Jacobs, Qualcomms chairman and founder. Jacobs, whose company is based in nearby San Diego, had driven to the conference with his wife and without any security. Trimble would not discuss details of the apparent theft except to confirm that the laptop was used by Jacobs for "business purposes." Company officials would not say whether Jacobs had contacted the FBI. "The FBI was never called that were aware of," said Irvine police desk officer Sgt. Tim Smith. "We took it as a straight laptop theft, which is pretty typical for a hotel." However, several attendees at the SABEW conference said they noticed three unattended laptops shortly after the theft as they passed through an adjoining exhibitors room. "It doesnt seem (Jacobs laptop) would be the obvious choice if the individual was looking for an easy target," noted Shawn Abbott, chief technical officer of computer security company Rainbow Technologies. Just 30 feet away Jacobs and about a half-dozen journalists were no further than 30 feet from his laptop when it disappeared. More than 100 reporters and editors from across the nation attended SABEWs 4th annual technology conference, a two-day event that ended Sunday. Trimble said the laptop, valued at about $4,000, was password protected and the data was backed up on a computer at Qualcomms San Diego headquarters. However, password-protected computers running Windows operating systems, as Jacobs was, can be easily be broken into. The level of security on Jacobs laptop could not be determined. Qualcomm is the worlds leading developer of a technology known as CDMA, which seems to have won the global battle to become the standard technology for making high-speed Internet access available on wireless devices. Wireless technologies Those so-called third-generation wireless technologies are expected to connect the Internet to handhelds and other devices in the next few years -- initially in the Far East and Europe. Those markets are considered to have a potential value in the tens of billions of dollars, as everything from cars to airplanes are equipped with broadband wireless connections. If security on Jacobs laptop was limited only to password protection _ rather than a more advanced encryption scheme -- "its extremely unlikely that it will take any more than removing the hard drive and hooking it up to another computer to read all the files," Abbott said. http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/2000/09/18/qualcomm0918_01.ht ml

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