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CDR: Re: About that waterfall at Gibralter...
by Ralph Seberry 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

On Sunday, 17 Sep 2000 at 23:09, Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Ralph Seberry wrote: > > It's good to confirm you're as sloppy in reading email and geology > > as you are in composing your usual half-baked COTUS rants. > > What the fuck is COTUS? > constitution of the united states. > > It says waterfall. Nothing about the "1000 feet", the claim I > > No, it says 'gigantic waterfall'. Do your own research. I just happen to > know from past work that the waterfall was estimated to be about 1,000 ft. So now it's not in the page. After all your bluster, you don't have a cite. Maybe if you learn how to spell Gibraltar your searches will be more fruitful.

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CDR: Registration confirmation - Yahoo! Games
by Yahoo! Member Services 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

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CDR: Amex supports CARNIVORE enabled Anonymity System,
by Bob Jones 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

>ZKS and Anonymizer have the wrong business model in >terms >of what consumers want. They're too techie. What >people >(as opposed to cypherpunks ;-) want is privacy AND the >ability to make purchases without spreading their CC# >all over. > >This is the hottest area of privacy services, and >competition is starting to heat up, with more and >more firms deciding to provide such services. > >Card issuers would seem to have an advantage here. > >An early "release" (can you say 'vaporware') is >being promoted in TV commercials by American Express. > >The commercial shows the narrator/consumer talking >about wanting Internet privacy, while his face is >obscured the entire commercial. The ending has him >claiming complete Internet privacy, including for >purchases, and shows a symbolic AmEx card with the >name X'd out. >("I'm finally getting the recognition I deserve.") > >AmEx signed an agreement on 9/7/2000 with Privada to >provide the proxying Internet access, and AmEx says >it will roll out Privacy Payments within the next >month. > >Privada notes at >http://www.privada.net/news/index.html What a load of shit. If you check that URL the next thing you see the following release ----------------------------- http://www.privada.net/news/releases/20000717.html Privada's Technology Protects Users' Privacy, Only Monitors Those Who Abuse It Technology solves the problem of responsible privacy SAN JOSE, Calif. � July 17, 2000 � In the wake of the FBI's recent Carnivore system unveiling, the question of responsible privacy has reached a critical head. While the government struggles to balance security and privacy, and technology continues to evolve, consumers are confronted with a scenario where through no fault of their own, they may have the government snooping through their email. When Carnivore is placed with an Internet service provider, it scans all incoming and outgoing emails for messages associated with the target of a criminal probe. Further, while the system is plugged into the ISP's network, it is controlled solely by the law enforcement agency. In a traditional wiretap, the tap is physically placed and maintained by the telephone company. With Carnivore, the privacy of all an ISP's customers is at risk, with no involvement or control by the ISP. Enter Privada Through a patent pending privacy management infrastructure, Privada delivers a much-needed balanced and societally appropriate solution. Built into that infrastructure is a component called the Monitor that only monitors those who have abused their right to privacy, giving ISPs a tool for complying with law enforcement subpoenas without infringing upon the privacy of all users. ------------ And yet another --------------------- Privacy Expert Says Democracy Demands "Responsible" Privacy Protections Glee Harrah Cady of Privada, Inc. Says Innovative Technology That Empowers Consumers Is Better Than Regulation In Solving Privacy Concerns WASHINGTON, D.C. � September 14, 2000 � An executive from one of America's leading privacy technology companies warned those attending a summit here that efforts to create a one-size-fits-all law protecting privacy will never be as effective as the solutions offered by ongoing technological innovation. "Privacy is fundamental to any democracy," said Glee Harrah Cady, Vice President of Global Public Policy for the San Jose-based Privada, Inc. "People must be able to fully express their opinions and thoughts without fear. Anonymity can be important to the democratic process, but it also can be abused." Cady pointed to recent incidents of hacking and the spread of computer viruses as circumstances in which anonymity does not serve the public good. "Privacy is a right until you misuse it," she told participants at the Global Privacy Summit. ----------------------------------- Obviously AMEX & Privada don't have a clue as to the history of privacy and privacy tools... What about civil john doe complaints? What about Church of $cientology and Penet.fi? What about the entire key escrow debate? What about the entire clipper debate? If anyone really things that 'identity escrow' enabled privacy products are what the market is looking for, they are seriously clueless. This is obviously snake oil. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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18 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: censorship rears its head
by David Marshall 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > I will look forward to watching the coverage. Do you plan to take out > just the censorious bitch Lynne Cheney, or also her censorious > husband and VP candidate? > > And then there's Al Gore (RAT) and his running mate (JEW RAT). > > (Subliminal messages brought to you by the Republican Party). > > Interesting that 3 out of the 4 top rats--Cheney, Gore, > Lieberman--have their own censorious attacks on speech, or have > spouses who lead such attacks. Lynne, Tipper, and Lieberman > himself. I wonder why Bush is being left out? Maybe it'll be like > Nixon in China: the only one of the four not calling for repeal of > the First Amendment will be the one who pulls the trigger. Some attorney (RAT) has filed suit against the entertainment industry over the shooting in Peduchah, Kentucky. Right now he's doing the talk radio circuit, trying to drum up support. (I suppose to cause such a public outcry that the judge feels strongarmed to rule in his favor, and to taint juries.) The central argument appears to be that the entertainment industry has marketted their products, which happen to contain violence and sex, to the people who are their biggest consumers: people under 18. But because they're under the magic age of 18, they apparently aren't responsible for blowing away their classmates; the computer game companies are. The quantity of bogus claims, lies, distortions, and general bullshit the guy was spreading is too large for me to list them all, and after a while they kind of blend into one big blob of bullshit anyway, but I'll go over some of the more notable ones. 1) Contrary to whatever this attorney and other power-hungry censors would like us all to believe, the fact that most of these school shooters have played violent video games and seen violent movies does not mean that the movies were to blame. "But *ALL* of them have!" Yeah, and all of them probably ate chicken at some point in the month before their rampages too. The fallacy is obvious. As far as I know, nobody has bothered to counter the obvious question: Isn't it more likely that the people who have a predisposition to violence just tend to be drawn to this media, especially considering that there are millions of people out there who use it but *aren't* killing people? 2) He quickly tried to make some point that when a child (again, defined as someone under 18, or 17, as the case may be) sees "violent or sexually-explicit" images, there is some change in the brain. So he mentions some Harvard University study, but doesn't bother to give a useable citation (journal name, author, date...), which, he claims, showed "increased blood flows to the amygdala" using MRI in "children," but not in adults. A) I have "increased blood flows" when I have a pulsating headache too. I have "increased blood flows" whenever my heart rate and blood pressure increase. I'm not a neurologist, but I'd figure that that doesn't mean anything neurologically. It dosen't even mean that there's enhanced activity in that region. B) Wouldn't it make more sense to just slip the subjects radioactive glucose, wait a few minutes, and then do a PET scan? That way you can actually tell which neurons are firing? (When a neuron generates an action potential, it doesn't use any energy. It uses it when it recovers. So when a neuron fires a lot, it sucks in a lot of glucose, which means that the radioactive glucose winds up in the neurons, which means that it's held there, which means that you can see it on a PET scan.) C) Neurological structure changes *do* occur. They occur when I watch violent and sexually-explicit movies. They also change when I sit on the toilet, eat food, do a math problem, listen to music, or walk across the room. It's called learning. The fact that neurological structure changes in people exposed to this is meaningless. Do a behavoral study, then it might have some validity. D) Why would you use an MRI in this case _at all_? E) Even increased activity does not imply psychological or neurological changes. It means that the neurons are firing. That's all. This indicates that either: A) The researchers were purposefully trying to obscure data. B) The stupid attorney, and by extension probably the stupid judge, is trying to pull one over on the intentionally-stupid jury and voluntarily-stupid public, by distorting a biomedical study. 3) When another attorney called in and challenged him with the obvious statement that it isn't the entertainment industry's problem but rather the shooter's and the shooter's parents, the plantiff's attorney retorted with a purposeful and direct distortion and asked: "It's the fault of the parents of the three little girls who were shot?" What happened after that was fairly unintelligable, while the plantiff's attorney proceeded to talk over the caller. 4) Why can't people accept that shit happens and that sometimes you *can't* go blame everyone in sight? I don't hear of anyone suing any of the following: * The public school system in the area: The shooter most likely had a history of behavoral problems, yet they put him in the general population. Therefore, along the same line of thinking that this guy is using (but at a position closer to sanity) he should be suing the public schools. * Anybody who ever passed laws restricting the ability of the students who were shot at to themselves have a gun. (No, I don't necessarily think that they should have had one, but even *this* would be saner than suing the movie and computer game industries.) 5) His ethical justification for filing this lawsuit, which he knows is ridiculous, is that if the movie industry isn't found at fault and sued, the government will impose what he calls "draconian censorship laws." 6) If violent and sexually-explicit imagery and games are *really* so inherently dangerous, then why aren't the millions and millions of *other* people out there who have watched it or played them out there killing people? 7) Why can't we place the blame where it belongs: On the shooter?

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CDR: About that waterfall at Gibralter...
by Jim Choate 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

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CDR: Ericsson, O Poder da Mobilidade
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18 Sep '00

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CDR: New Internet Privacy Services
by George＠Orwellian.Org 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

ZKS and Anonymizer have the wrong business model in terms of what consumers want. They're too techie. What people (as opposed to cypherpunks ;-) want is privacy AND the ability to make purchases without spreading their CC# all over. This is the hottest area of privacy services, and competition is starting to heat up, with more and more firms deciding to provide such services. Card issuers would seem to have an advantage here. An early "release" (can you say 'vaporware') is being promoted in TV commercials by American Express. The commercial shows the narrator/consumer talking about wanting Internet privacy, while his face is obscured the entire commercial. The ending has him claiming complete Internet privacy, including for purchases, and shows a symbolic AmEx card with the name X'd out. ("I'm finally getting the recognition I deserve.") AmEx signed an agreement on 9/7/2000 with Privada to provide the proxying Internet access, and AmEx says it will roll out Privacy Payments within the next month. Privada notes at http://www.privada.net/news/index.html Enclosed are two URLs-Info, some corporate speak deleted. Note that the "click here's" ask you for your email address so you can be notified when it's available. ---- http://www10.americanexpress.com/sif/cda/page/0,1641,4534,00.asp American Express Privacy Products -------- ------- ------- -------- Introducing a suite of exciting online privacy initiatives from American Express. American Express has always helped our Cardmembers enjoy the recognition they deserve. But there are places where you may want to reveal less about yourself, such as the Internet. American Express has a long history of protecting consumer privacy, and we're committed to continuing this tradition online. 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Additional offerings in the new suite of American Express products will be announced next year. "While the Internet has dramatically eased the way consumers research and purchase products, it also has increased concern for protecting privacy and security," said Alfred F. Kelly, Jr., group president of U.S. Consumer and Small Business Services at American Express. How Private Payments Works Using Private Payments to shop online is quick and easy. Interested cardmembers can register for the free service here. When cardmembers are ready to purchase online, they can access the service by going to the Private Payments home page at americanexpress.com or by clicking on the Private Payments icon on their desktop. This launches the service, which then prompts them for username and password, and to select the American Express. Card they want linked to the Private Payments number. A unique Private Payments number with expiration date is then randomly created by American Express. The cardmember transfers this information into the merchant order form to complete the purchase. The cardmember's actual card account number is not sent over the Internet, thus keeping this information secure. The item purchased is charged to the cardmember's selected American Express Card and appears on the monthly billing statement, as usual. Further safeguarding the online purchase, the Private Payments number is designed to be used for a single purchase and to expire after the merchant authorization process is completed. Upon expiration, the Private Payments number cannot be used again if stolen.

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CDR: Hello,Interesting ad-please read
by Legit Work 18 Sep '00

18 Sep '00

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CDR: TroppoLotto presents eHarlequin.com
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18 Sep '00

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