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CDR: Official misbehavior
by jim bell 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

I'm working on Item 2 below. Jim Bell ================================= To: Frederick Burroughs <riburr(a)shentel.net> Subject: next to go on trial: Jeff Gordon and is co-conspirators. (was: Re: The Second Cypherpunks Show Trial ) From: Zooko Journeyman <zooko(a)wildgoose.tandu.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:09:51 -0600 cc: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)ns.minder.net> In-Reply-To: Message from Frederick Burroughs <riburr(a)shentel.net> of "Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:41:10 EDT." <3711DBD6.78EB1609(a)shentel.net> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM If there is anything to the speculation below, then perhaps J.G.&Co. are open to be hit where it hurts. Also Tim May's complaints about SSN-disclosure and character defamation might gain legal traction? And the unsigned, vaguely threatening messages that have been received by JYA and many other list members, both recently and immediately after the JB arrest? There are two possible developments that could yield a really happy ending here: 1. CJ's aquittal after a 1st Amendment defense. 2. Some good evidence of official misbehavior turns up and is leveraged into a solid criminal case against the loose cannons. Regards, Zooko

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CDR: Re: Please ignore this email- this is only test.
by No User 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

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CDR: More COTUS rants...
by Jim Choate 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

And they say I'm half-baked?...I'm not alone. Findlaw: The Constitution and your CD's http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/09/columns/f1.hamlton.copyright.09.19/ ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Cryptonomicon question...
by treblec＠iname.com 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

Greetings, I realise Cryptonomicon (by Neal Stephenson) was a thread middle of last year, and I don't intend to revisit old topics. But this question was posed to me, and I can't find the answer anywhere. And it's as simple as this... What is Avi's surname??? Web searches came up blank, I've re-read the book, and I couldn't see anything in the old discussion thread. Don't post responses (not worth the disk space on CH), but I would appreciate an email (and a page reference if possible) before it drives me nuts!!! Much appreciated Treble Clef --------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://geocities.iname.com

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CDR: The Dark Horse of Intellect Rides Again
by David Marshall 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

I'm copying this to the list because, aside from making fun of this idiot, I might as well post a short comment on the pathetic, sorry state of the Internet and society in general. This is necessary because we seem to have so many newbies on the list, as evidenced by the recent rambling about list filtering (_again_), and the latest anonymous remailer spiel. (Disclaimer: This is American-centric since America seems to be where the majority of the junk comes from.) I really don't know who to blame. Is it the American public education system which would rather teach students about Earth Day than about English or mathematics, and which would likely give "Dark Horse" an "A" for his drek? Is it the fault of popular entertainment and its stultifying effects? Is it the declining popularity of reading? Is it the canned, biased, and frankly lie-filled mainstream news? Perhaps it's better to blame the idiots themselves, since clearly it's possible to educate oneself. Perhaps its everyone's fault, though I'm not quite ready to accept responsibility for the proliferation of this brand of stupidity. I used to think that the Internet got the brunt of it, until I realized that I was just so used to it in meatspace that I tended to ignore it. It isn't really about grammar, because some people speak English as a second (or higher) language. It's more about *very* sloppy thinking. A mild example of it is "Dark Horse" telling me to give him a "simple answer : yes or no" and then asking me a question to which he clearly wants more than a simple "yes" or "no." (Note that I'm not counting as sloppy thinking the problems which are inherent in most languages, such as the answer to "Is it day or night?" being "yes" in all cases.) The American news media, in particular, tends to habitually get things wrong. In fact, when the news media reports on something I know about, the majority of the time they get it wrong. An example most of us can relate to is the horrible state of computer-related and Internet-related reporting. Of course, the natural conclusion to be drawn from this is that whenever the media reports on something I *don't* know much about, it's just as full of logical holes, lies, distortions, hype, and mistakes. Perhaps a worse effect is that people who realize this tend to think that virtually everything the media says is wrong by default. Perhaps it's all a lost cause when people in a college class can see how George W. Bush might be Plato's Democrat, but not how Al Gore might just as easily be Plato's tyrant. ("I'm for the people, not the powerful," for example.) The first assertion was praised by the students. The second apparently required more mental wattage than the students were capable of putting out. Both were made by students. Perhaps one of the Four (or however many there are now) Horsemen should be the Horseman of Stupidity. Another should be the Horseman of Apathy. A copy of the latest contribution of "Dark Horse" follows: "Dark Horse" <saynaaa(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Hello Stranger ! > > are you making fool of me ? No. I'd say that you're doing a fine job making a fool out of yourself. > > actually I did not find any simple answer to my questions !! Ah, of course. I can see how that is necessary for so simple a man. > > do you speak English ?;) Judging by your grammar, I apparently speak it much better than you do. > > > Now again I ask my questions and I hope you will anwer me with > > a simple answer : yes or no > > > > 1- is there any way to have access to a webpage like : www.sanjesh.org Yes. (If I'm allowed to say how, the answer is: "Yes, use a web browser, or do it manually using telnet if that's your thing. Duh.") > > 2- can I find somebody's email password in internet .. if yes , how ? Yes. Sniff it, get it via social engineering, trojan their machine... Please, quit chewing on your duodenum. > > > > waiting for your Simple answers ! I'm waiting for a complete sentence.

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19 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: The Dark Horse of Intellect Rides Again
by David Marshall 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

David Marshall <marshall(a)athena.dhis.org> writes: > to which he clearly wants more than a simple "yes" or "no." (Note that > I'm not counting as sloppy thinking the problems which are inherent in > most languages, such as the answer to "Is it day or night?" being > "yes" in all cases.) *slap* Now I'm doing it. It must be osmosis or something. I'm also aware that I'm nitpicking in both these posts. I should have added "and 'no; in intermediate cases such as dusk or dawn." Either way, the point is that English and most, if not all, languages I'm aware of have this particular problem. Some artificial languages, such as Lojban, tend to discourage this by, among other things, requiring or encouraging the respondant to restate the true portion of the statement.

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CDR: Where are the crypt source blackboards?
by Gary Jeffers 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

Where are the crypt source blackboards? Fellow Cypherpunks, It occurs to me that in mailing lists that concern crypt programming there should be posts with programs and large code fragments of crypt source lines. I don't remember seeing any such on Cypherpunks and the little I've checked out on Coderpunks I haven't seen any there either. I know that in Amerika it may or may not be illegal to post crypt source code, but I would think that foreign members would post crypt code. So, where is it? For Amerikans, they should at least be posting links to source code "blackboards" in order to develope crypt code. I don't even find that. To what degree is the prohibition of posting crypt source code having a negative impact on crypt developement and deployment? Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: BOUNCE cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com: Admin request of type /\b uns\w*b/i at line 8 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

With suitable edits... ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:58:05 -0500 From: owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com: Admin request of type /\b uns\w*b/i at line 8 >From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Tue Sep 19 12:57:57 2000 Received: from mail3.ccs.bbk.ac.uk (mail1.ccs.bbk.ac.uk [193.61.22.6]) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27738 for <cypherpunks(a)ssz.com>; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:57:55 -0500 Received: from ccs.bbk.ac.uk (actually host ccs22.ccs.bbk.ac.uk) by mail3.ccs.bbk.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:34:23 +0100 Message-ID: <39C7A37E.BFA72D01(a)ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:33:50 +0100 From: Ken Brown <k.brown(a)ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Reply-To: k.brown(a)ccs.bbk.ac.uk Organization: Birkbeck College Central Computing Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com CC: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask.. References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918170717.00b339e8(a)mail.megapathdsl.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000919075147.00b4d490(a)mail.megapathdsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Asymmetric wrote: > >>That the list be changed so that unregistered email addresses cannot send > >>messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. [...snip...] > The benefits of having the list open to u nsubscribed postings seem far > outweighed by the cost in time spent by everyone filtering messages and > server resources that could be better spent running dnetc if nothing else > ;). It's just auxiliary that I've never seen an anonymous post to the list > in the past when I subscribed, nor more recently since I > resubscribed. Undoubtedly some smartass will send an anonymous message to > the list now just to say "see!" [...snip...] Listen carefully. I will say this only once. All you say is true. Moderated and closed lists are good ideas. Such good ideas that nearly every mailing list in the world is closed and moderated. But maybe, just maybe, there is some reason for an open, unmoderated list. Just one in the whole world. Or maybe there are some loonies who for motives of their own (that you might or might not approve of, as if they cared), wish to read such a list. This is that list. These are those loonies. If you don't like it, or them, you can join another list. No-ones stopping you. You can even make your own list if you want. It's like someone visits a farm and complains that the place is full of animals... or a farmer visits the city and moans about all those houses... > What about just creating another list (closed-posting) and then just > allowing people to choose which to subscribe to? Obviously, the > open-posting list would be subscribed to the closed posting list, but not > the other way around.. so at the risk of missing the massively important > anonymous message that has yet to be sent, I could eliminate some of this spam? Another good suggestion. So good I think someone made it back in about 1995 (or was it 1997?). Feel free to create such a list yourself, if you want another one.

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CDR: Excerpt of Mark Summerfield's 'Letter from 2020'
by Trei, Peter 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

http://www.osOpinion.com/Opinions/MarkSummerfield/MarkSummerfield3.html [...] I try to remember what it was like when I was a kid but it's really difficult; the world has changed so much since then. I found a paper book the other day that described the rise and fall of something called the "Internet". It started out with people putting up links on computers so that they could follow the link and read things on other computers for free. After it got to be popular, companies started to create machines with lots of links that you could search to find things of interest. But someone put up a link to something illegal and got sued and had their machine shut down. This happened a few times and people started to take the links off their machines. The search engine companies were the first to go and without them, you couldn't find anything. Eventually no one put up links anymore because the legal risk was too great. The important thing is that it reduced terrorism. I'm not sure how it could have worked anyway. Anything I write on my computer or any music I create gets stored by Word.NET and Music.NET in encrypted formats to protect my privacy. No one but me, Microsoft.NET and the National Corporation can read or hear my stuff even if they could link to it. I shouldn't admit it, but sometimes I go to certain places and speak to the subversives. I know its wrong but their warped views on things have some kind of morbid fascination. For example, I spoke to someone who claimed to be a historian the other day. She had courage all right, admitting to an illegal activity like that. I hadn't understood why it was illegal until she explained. History, she told me, gives you context. You can compare today with some time in the past; ask questions like, "are people better off", "look at the different forms of doing business", "compare corporate records or the rights of citizens" (I think she meant employees). [...]

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