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20 Sep '00

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CDR: Another privacy-compromising ecommerce bid
by Roy Silvernail 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

> GOOD MORNING! Today is Sept. 20, > and this is...InformationWeek Daily! [snip... impute your own quote marks below, since I'm lazy] ** New Online Payment Services Debut This week brings the debut of two online payment systems that make the same point: Credit cards are an imperfect solution for E-commerce. ECharge Corp. USA is testing eCharge Net Account, which is expected to launch later this year. It'll offer consumers a revolving line of credit for online shopping and deduct full or partial payment from their bank or checking accounts. Signed up already is MP3.com, whose customer base of music downloaders is arguably less ingrained in the use of credit cards and more open to options. "Everybody keeps talking about solutions to handling micropayments online and alternatives to credit cards," MP3.com marketing executive VP Steve Sheiner says, "but this seems like the first business model that handles small transactions." Besides its infamous stock of 600,000 free music files, MP3.com also sells CDs and other products -- and the number of purchases made on the site is growing. ECharge chairman Ron Erickson says that by moving customer data offline, to its own servers, and cutting out the credit-card settlement system, eCharge can offer merchants rates between 0.5% and 1% lower than credit cards and full data on what customers buy. [end snip] The last paragraph is the significant one.

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by Jim Choate 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: would it be so much to ask..
by No User 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

Asymmetric whined: > Last I checked the remailers allowed return mail to be sent through them, > to the owner of the anonymous account.. isn't that the point? It's easy > enough to forge the email header that I can't believe they exist just to > totally isolate anyone from the responses.. how would someone using a > remailer even join the list (to receive messages) if that was the point? Hey, Retardo -- when did you ever check? If you had, you'd know that you can't reply to anon remailers. Try replying to this, you clueless shit. Now shut the fuck up about this bullshit, we're all tired of the subject, and if you can't be bothered to check the archives, get the fuck off the list.

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CDR: (draft) Toronto Cypherpunks Sept. 2000 Meeting
by Robert Guerra 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Folks: Our Sept. meeting will be held next week at the University of Waterloo, about 45 min due west of Toronto. Exact co-ordinate details and more detailed agenda will follow latter this week. regards robert - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all: What I sent to the local newspapers (KW Record, Elmira Independent, Woolwich Observer, Cambridge Reporter, Waterloo Chronicle) - - --Bob. - - ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Bob Jonkman <bjonkman(a)sobac.com> To: @KWIUGANN.PML Subject: Internet Privacy and E-mail Security seminar Send reply to: bjonkman(a)sobac.com Date sent: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:52:59 -0400 Hi: You may be interested in covering a meeting on Internet Privacy and E-mail Security hosted by the Kitchener Waterloo Internet Users Group on Tuesday, 26 September 2000 at 7:00pm in the William G. Davis Computer Research Centre in the University of Waterloo campus. Robert Guerra from the Toronto Cypherpunks and cryptographer Richard Outerbridge will be discussing the lack of Internet privacy -- what can Web site operators find out about you without your permission, and how do they profit from it? There will be demonstration of the PGP software available to secure your e-mail from the FBI snooping tool Carnivore, a discussion of the Anonymity decision by the Ontario Superior Court and an update on the Canadian Privacy law. Those people already protecting their privacy with PGP will be able to exchange encryption keys. The Kitchener Waterloo Internet Users Group (KWIUG) has been meeting since 1995 to provide information about the Internet to everyone from "newbies" to experienced industry professionals. Meetings are free and open to all; there is no membership fee. KWIUG meets on the fourth Tuesday of every month in the William G. Davis Computer Research Centre on the University of Waterloo campus. For more information please see the KWIUG Website at <http://www.kwiug.org> or contact Bob Jonkman at <bjonkman(a)sobac.com> or by phone at +1-519-669-0388. - - ------- End of forwarded message ------- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.2 -- QDPGP 2.61a Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iQCVAwUBOcg4Z6LoCveuM+mJAQFVDQQAmQBB7wySb88l7FXgpT7Yho1ynDQv6+9A UrcR/0oypT/xZ2qYRUmoAmISnsrxKEvhtZsYOrEpPDOSS3dL/tNGVmiSVTHl4xmS TPd1G5yv2djbV5zV13SBh+Q3iHXrozD/1Qm1oET4UE7QsCfByj5QWPEwgKHIu5tq 1/hO1KclnT4= =7hgY - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ===== Bob Jonkman Voice: +1-519-669-0388 SOBAC Microcomputer Services E-Fax: +1-603-308-6118 6 James Street mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com Elmira Ontario N3B 1L5 Canada Networking -- Office & Business Automation -- Consulting RSA Fingerprint: 9FAF A6AC B567 BC10 8973 7CF0 CB27 0317 RSA ID: 0xAE33E989 mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com?subject=send_key Web site temporarily at http://www.geocities.com/bob_jonkman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.2 iQA/AwUBOcihhsKdCsHMpdeSEQILEwCg766ubJvTIKrDhWXn/4A9mAxdDH8AoMou dsBepkUdu2sE2gwfU0Pgb7ZL =h2ou -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- --- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)cryptorights.org> WWW Page <http://www.cryptorights.org>

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CDR: Asymmetrical spam again
by Ken Brown 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

Asymmetric wrote: > >>That the list be changed so that un_registered email addresses cannot send > >>messages to it? This spam is getting ridiculous. [...snip...] > The benefits of having the list open to u_nsubscribed postings seem far > outweighed by the cost in time spent by everyone filtering messages and > server resources that could be better spent running dnetc if nothing else > ;). It's just auxiliary that I've never seen an anonymous post to the list > in the past when I subscribed, nor more recently since I > resubscribed. Undoubtedly some smartass will send an anonymous message to > the list now just to say "see!" [...snip...] Listen carefully. I will say this only once. Well, twice actually because the first attempt at posting this bounced. All you say is true. Moderated and closed lists are good ideas. Such good ideas that nearly every mailing list in the world is closed and moderated. But maybe, just maybe, there is some reason for an open, unmoderated list. Just one in the whole world. This is that list. Or maybe there are some loonies out there who for motives of their own (that you might or might not approve of, as if they cared), wish to read an open, unmoderated list. These are those loonies. If you don't like it, or them, you can join another list. No-ones stopping you. You can even make your own list if you want. It's like someone visits a farm and complains that the place is full of animals... or a farmer visits the city and moans about all those houses... > What about just creating another list (closed-posting) and then just > allowing people to choose which to subscribe to? Obviously, the > open-posting list would be subscribed to the closed posting list, but not > the other way around.. so at the risk of missing the massively important > anonymous message that has yet to be sent, I could eliminate some of this spam? Another good suggestion. So good I think someone made it back in about 1995 (or was it 1997?). Feel free to create such a list yourself, if you want another one. Ken

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CDR: you suck
by doit01 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

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CDR: IPO Express: Daily News 09/19/00
by EDGAR Online 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: RC4 source as a literate program
by Gary Jeffers 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

Fellow Cypherpunks, THE LAWYER GAMBIT I remember reading in old anti-IRS literature about a technique for avoiding prosecutions. A client would tell a lawyer that he wanted to do something and would ask if it were legal to do. The lawyer would then give his opinion as to wheather it was legal or not. If the lawyer said that it was legal and gave his opinion in writing, then the client could proceed without out worry. The lawyer's opinion would stop any criminal prosecution. I wonder if this would work with publishing crypt code. I think it might put the lawyer at risk. If we had a lawyer who really thought that publishing crypt code on the Internet was legal and wasn't afraid of sticking his neck out then his published statement on the Internet to this might open the floodgates of crypt code Internet posting for Americans. Donald has stated that the law in this area is quite vague. I would think even if the law prohibited it, then the law would be unconstitu- tional and therefore null and void. Any thoughts on this? Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: RE: was: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
by Kerry L. Bonin 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

At 02:42 PM 9/18/00 -0400, dmolnar wrote: > > >Here's another link on licensing of software engineers, this time from the >ACM: > >http://www.acm.org/serving/se_policy/report.html > >it seems that cryptographic/security software, if we ever get the >liability structure whose lack is often pointed out by Schneier ("we don't >have good security because we don't have to"), may be a prime target for >such licensing. > >-david To one extent, this has already happened. Under 15 CFR Part 740.13, in order to distribute public domain / open source cryptographic software without the classic restrictions under ITAR, you have to register yourself by sending an email to the NSA (well, the BXA address whose office happens to be in Ft. Meade.) So we already have mandatory registration for open source crypto developers. If key escrow legislation finally passes, they've got the list of individuals and companies to lean on, and imagine thats where licensing will come in.

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