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Chaumian cash redux
by R. A. Hettinga 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

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Re: Chaumian cash redux
by Somebody 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

"R. A. Hettinga" wrote: > > --- begin forwarded text > > Date: 23 Sep 2000 05:37:39 -0000 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)remailer.ch> > To: rah(a)shipwright.com > Cc: dbs(a)philodox.com, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Chaumian cash redux > > Bob forwards: > > At the EFF end-of-RSA ball in SF last night David Chaum stood up and > > said a few enigmatic words: "Great to be here, and what's really > > important now is that we all come together and have a common approach. > > I've looked at the old ecash and, (wry smile) there were a few > > problems. But I've got some ideas about how to fix it and make it > > available in a way which avoids the kind of wars we've had in the past. > > I had wanted to make more of an announcement tonight, but the legal > > stuff is (as always) taking longer than I'd anticipated. So, thank > > you." [applause] > > Pretty interesting. I wonder if he has an interesting new patent > unencumbered way to do ecash, and if he's going to make it patent > free. Between you and me, I heard he was talking about something called a "Patent Pool", which makes me think, strangely, that patent-free ain't what we're going to get. I dunno whether this was part of the public speech, though, which is why I'm not posting publicly. Cheers, <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Chaumian cash redux
by Somebody 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

"R. A. Hettinga" wrote: > > --- begin forwarded text > > Date: 23 Sep 2000 05:37:39 -0000 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)remailer.ch> > To: rah(a)shipwright.com > Cc: dbs(a)philodox.com, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Chaumian cash redux > > Bob forwards: > > At the EFF end-of-RSA ball in SF last night David Chaum stood up and > > said a few enigmatic words: "Great to be here, and what's really > > important now is that we all come together and have a common approach. > > I've looked at the old ecash and, (wry smile) there were a few > > problems. But I've got some ideas about how to fix it and make it > > available in a way which avoids the kind of wars we've had in the past. > > I had wanted to make more of an announcement tonight, but the legal > > stuff is (as always) taking longer than I'd anticipated. So, thank > > you." [applause] > > Pretty interesting. I wonder if he has an interesting new patent > unencumbered way to do ecash, and if he's going to make it patent > free. Between you and me, I heard he was talking about something called a "Patent Pool", which makes me think, strangely, that patent-free ain't what we're going to get. I dunno whether this was part of the public speech, though, which is why I'm not posting publicly. Cheers, <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: Instrumental Guitar Music
by Yaroslav G. 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

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FC'01 Final Call for Papers
by Paul Syverson 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

Final Call for Papers Financial Cryptography '01 February 19-22, 2000 Grand Cayman Marriott Beach Resort Cayman Islands, BWI Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general for submission to the Fifth Annual Conference on Financial Cryptography (FC01). FC01 aims to bring together persons involved in the financial, legal and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Relevant topics include Anonymity Protection Infrastructure Design Auditability Legal/ Regulatory Issues Authentication/Identification Loyalty Mechanisms Certification/Authorization Payments/ Micropayments Commercial Transactions Privacy Issues Copyright/ I.P. Management Risk Management Digital Cash/ Digital Receipts Secure Banking Systems Economic Implications Smart Cards Electronic Purses Trust Management Implementations WaterMarking INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS: Electronic submission strongly encouraged. (Instructions available at http://www.fc01.uwm.edu) Alternatively, send a cover letter and 15 copies of an extended abstract to be received no later than October 13, 2000 (or postmarked by October 6, 2000 and sent via airmail) to the Program Chair. The extended abstract should start with the title, names of authors, abstract, and keywords followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, background, main achievements, and significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 11pt type and should constitute substantially original material. Panel proposals are due no later than November 27, 2000 (or postmarked and airmailed by November 20). Panel proposals should include a brief description of the panel and a list of prospective panelists. Notification of acceptance or rejection of papers and panel proposals will be sent to authors no later than December 8, 2000. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their papers will be presented at the conference and must be willing to sign an acceptable copyright agreement with Springer-Verlag. Use the above address for electronic submissions or send hardcopy to: Paul Syverson, FC01 Program Chair Center for High Assurance Computer Systems (Code 5540) Naval Research Laboratory Washington DC 20375 USA email: syverson(a)itd.nrl.navy.mil Web: www.syverson.org phone: +1 202 404-7931 PROCEEDINGS: Final proceedings will be published by Springer Verlag in their Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. Preproceedings will be available at the conference, but final versions will not be due until afterwards, giving authors the opportunity to revise their papers based on presentations and discussions at the meeting. Program Committee Matt Blaze, AT&T Labs - Research Yair Frankel, Ecash Matt Franklin, UC Davis David Kravitz, Wave Systems Corp. Arjen Lenstra, Citicorp Philip MacKenzie, Lucent Bell Labs Avi Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research Jacques Stern, Ecole Normale SupÈrieure Kazue Sako, NEC Stuart Stubblebine, CertCo Paul Syverson (Chair), Naval Research Laboratory Win Treese, Open Market, Inc. Doug Tygar, UC Berkeley Michael Waidner, IBM Zurich Research Lab Moti Yung, CertCo Important Dates Extended Abstract Submissions Due: Oct. 13, 2000 Panel Proposal Submissions Due: November 27, 2000 Notification: Dec 8, 2000 Electronic submission information: See http://www.fc01.uwm.edu General Chair Stuart Haber, InterTrust STAR Lab Electronic Submission chair George Davida, UWM Further Information about conference registration and on travel, hotels, and Grand Cayman itself will follow in a separate general announcement. FC01 is organized by the International Financial Cryptography Association. Additional information will be found at http://fc01.ai --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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FC'01 Final Call for Papers
by Paul Syverson 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

Final Call for Papers Financial Cryptography '01 February 19-22, 2000 Grand Cayman Marriott Beach Resort Cayman Islands, BWI Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general for submission to the Fifth Annual Conference on Financial Cryptography (FC01). FC01 aims to bring together persons involved in the financial, legal and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Relevant topics include Anonymity Protection Infrastructure Design Auditability Legal/ Regulatory Issues Authentication/Identification Loyalty Mechanisms Certification/Authorization Payments/ Micropayments Commercial Transactions Privacy Issues Copyright/ I.P. Management Risk Management Digital Cash/ Digital Receipts Secure Banking Systems Economic Implications Smart Cards Electronic Purses Trust Management Implementations WaterMarking INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS: Electronic submission strongly encouraged. (Instructions available at http://www.fc01.uwm.edu) Alternatively, send a cover letter and 15 copies of an extended abstract to be received no later than October 13, 2000 (or postmarked by October 6, 2000 and sent via airmail) to the Program Chair. The extended abstract should start with the title, names of authors, abstract, and keywords followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, background, main achievements, and significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 11pt type and should constitute substantially original material. Panel proposals are due no later than November 27, 2000 (or postmarked and airmailed by November 20). Panel proposals should include a brief description of the panel and a list of prospective panelists. Notification of acceptance or rejection of papers and panel proposals will be sent to authors no later than December 8, 2000. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their papers will be presented at the conference and must be willing to sign an acceptable copyright agreement with Springer-Verlag. Use the above address for electronic submissions or send hardcopy to: Paul Syverson, FC01 Program Chair Center for High Assurance Computer Systems (Code 5540) Naval Research Laboratory Washington DC 20375 USA email: syverson(a)itd.nrl.navy.mil Web: www.syverson.org phone: +1 202 404-7931 PROCEEDINGS: Final proceedings will be published by Springer Verlag in their Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. Preproceedings will be available at the conference, but final versions will not be due until afterwards, giving authors the opportunity to revise their papers based on presentations and discussions at the meeting. Program Committee Matt Blaze, AT&T Labs - Research Yair Frankel, Ecash Matt Franklin, UC Davis David Kravitz, Wave Systems Corp. Arjen Lenstra, Citicorp Philip MacKenzie, Lucent Bell Labs Avi Rubin, AT&T Labs - Research Jacques Stern, Ecole Normale SupÈrieure Kazue Sako, NEC Stuart Stubblebine, CertCo Paul Syverson (Chair), Naval Research Laboratory Win Treese, Open Market, Inc. Doug Tygar, UC Berkeley Michael Waidner, IBM Zurich Research Lab Moti Yung, CertCo Important Dates Extended Abstract Submissions Due: Oct. 13, 2000 Panel Proposal Submissions Due: November 27, 2000 Notification: Dec 8, 2000 Electronic submission information: See http://www.fc01.uwm.edu General Chair Stuart Haber, InterTrust STAR Lab Electronic Submission chair George Davida, UWM Further Information about conference registration and on travel, hotels, and Grand Cayman itself will follow in a separate general announcement. FC01 is organized by the International Financial Cryptography Association. Additional information will be found at http://fc01.ai --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: Re: would it be so much to ask..
by Reese 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

At 08:31 AM 23/09/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Reese wrote: >> At 07:18 AM 22/09/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >>>On 21 Sep 2000, Craig Brozefsky wrote: >>> >>>> Considering the current situation, and the contant referrals to it as >>>> Capitalism, I wonder how useful this definition really is. >>> >>>Who refers to capitalism as socialism? If they equate these two polar >>>concepts then this indicates the speaker doesn't have a clue. >> >> Learn to read. Craig Brozefsky MayOrMayNot be full of it, but you've just >> castigated him for something he _did not_ say. Sometimes, I wonder >> why I bother. > >Take your own advice stupid. > >What part of 'referals to it as Capitalism', where 'it' is communism do >you not understand? Haaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaahaaa!!!!!!! Craig said, the current situation is referred to as capitalism. You asked, who refers to capitalism as socialism? No one, they refer to it as capitalism, except it isn't really, was what Craig said. I pointed out, you munged what Craig had said. Your reply, something about "it" being communism, is complete hogwash, since the original post was about the current system being _called_ capitalism, and your mistaken reply, "who calls capitalism socialism?" I'll retract my earlier admonition: You don't need to learn to read, you need to learn to comprehend what you read.

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CDR: FC'01 Final Call for Papers
by R. A. Hettinga 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: <nettime> Rebirth of Guilds
by David Honig 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

At 09:17 AM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: >video game market with respect to selling adult games to children. Video games are machines, I've never met an adult machine, though I did call that PDP "sir". Who gets to decide what content is appropriate for my children? Surely not the state.

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CDR: <nettime> Rebirth of Guilds
by R. A. Hettinga 23 Sep '00

23 Sep '00

Speaking of the devil... Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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