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CDR: Re: Guilding programmers.
by Tim May 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

At 11:43 AM -0400 9/25/00, Trei, Peter wrote: >Funny how threads mutate. Back when I started the >topic, it was in a thread called "And you thought Nazi >agitprop was controversial". It's now mutated to >"<nettime> Re: Rebirth of Guilds" and is dicussing the >freedom of lesbians to kiss in ballparks. > >Anyway, my main point (which was immediately lost >in a discussion of certification programs for software >engineers) was that whenever society permits some >members of a profession to exclude other people from >entering that profession, save in conformity to the prior >members' "standards", you get high cost and/or low >quality service. Lawyers and physicians do it through >their professional organizations; and teachers through >their closed shop union contracts. There are many other >examples... "Rent-seeking" is one good term for this overall behavior. People, even animals, seek competitive advantage in various ways. One way is by limiting competition and collecting "rent." Travellers passing a particular point (tolls), organized criminals charging protection money (governments, mafias), guilds limiting entry (Blacksmith's Guild, American Medical Association, etc.), immigration quotas, etc. Uusually a threat of violence is involved as an enforcement mechanism. One of the aspects of crypto anarchy is that such threats of physical violence are less useful. And so rent-seeking is thwarted. Gilding the lily...or the "Cypherpunks rose," appropriately. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: U.S. Leads Global Snooping Drive
by David Honig 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

Friday September 22 1:38 PM ET U.S. Leads Global Snooping Drive - Report By Jim Wolf WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has led a worldwide drive to build the groundwork for expanded snooping in the digital era, two civil rights groups alleged in a new survey. The Electronic Privacy Information Center and Privacy International highlighted what they called a push led by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation toward wiretap-friendly international communications standards. Washington also has sought to curb the development and sale of hardware and software featuring strong encryption, the communications-scrambling know how aimed at securing data from prying eyes, the survey said. ``The U.S. government has led a worldwide effort to limit individual privacy and enhance the capability of its police and intelligence services to eavesdrop on personal conversations,'' the report, ``Privacy & Human Rights 2000,'' said. The survey, to be released next week at a privacy conference in Venice, Italy, said FBI (news - web sites) Director Louis Freeh had nudged countries such as Hungary and the Czech Republic to expand wiretapping. FBI spokesman Steven Berry said the bureau was reserving comment on the report. In the early 1990s, it spearheaded what became the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), which requires telecommunications equipment makers to leave their gear open to wiretaps. U.S. authorities argued they needed such a law to keep up with criminals using sophisticated technology to dodge court-authorized surveillance. ``When the FBI was lobbying for CALEA in the United States, it also began working with the Justice and Interior ministers of the European Union toward creating international technical standards for wiretapping,'' the report said. It also cited the FBI's recently disclosed ``Carnivore'' e-mail surveillance system, used with court orders to scan an Internet service provider's traffic for communications to and from a criminal suspect. Quoting unnamed Russian computer security experts, the report said U.S. officials had advised Moscow on implementation of such network surveillance systems. Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, in turn, had proposed requiring Internet service providers to install surveillance devices based on a Russian system, the report said. David Banisar, a Washington lawyer who is chief author of the survey, said the United States had pressed Japan to adopt its first laws allowing wiretapping. In addition, it had been promoting surveillance through the G-7 group of the largest industrialized nations plus Russia, the report said. Banisar, in a telephone interview, said one result of U.S. policy had been to make it easier for repressive countries to maintain control over their citizens. ``And it also increases the amount of illegal wiretapping going on by making it technically easier,'' he said. Separately, the report detailed what is known about Echelon, the reported code name for a communications-interception system said to be operated by intelligence agencies in Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and coordinated by the U.S. National Security Agency. ``The creation of a seamless international intelligence and law enforcement surveillance system has resulted in the potential for a huge international network that may, in practice, negate current rules and regulations prohibiting domestic communications surveillance by national intelligence agencies,'' it said.

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CDR: Guilding programmers.
by Trei, Peter 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

Funny how threads mutate. Back when I started the topic, it was in a thread called "And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial". It's now mutated to "<nettime> Re: Rebirth of Guilds" and is dicussing the freedom of lesbians to kiss in ballparks. Anyway, my main point (which was immediately lost in a discussion of certification programs for software engineers) was that whenever society permits some members of a profession to exclude other people from entering that profession, save in conformity to the prior members' "standards", you get high cost and/or low quality service. Lawyers and physicians do it through their professional organizations; and teachers through their closed shop union contracts. There are many other examples... Evil Studio Executive Secretary: "Get that projector out of here! We don't work with anyone who isn't properly guilded!" Mike Jittlov: (sotto voce) "You mean *gelded*." Peter Trei (who, for the record, does *not* have an engineering degree, electrical or otherwise. My degree is in Biochemistry.)

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XNS - a preview
by Fearghas McKay 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

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XNS - a preview
by Fearghas McKay 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

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CDR: XNS - a preview
by R. A. Hettinga 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

"Legally enforced privacy contract." Riiiigggggtttt.... :-). Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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CDR: Re: <nettime> Rebirth of Guilds
by James B Windle 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

While agreeing about the rights of property owners, many of the newly build or renovated ballparks have either been financed with municipal bond offerings making the government a creditor of the team or are owned by municipalities and leased to the teams and thus not even nominally private property. For instance here in New York the issue of where the Yankees will play in the future involves the governor, the mayor and the borough presidents of the Bronx and Manhattan as the current stadium is owned by the city as a result of the last renovation and the proposed new stadium on the upper west side would be paid for partially with tax free municipal bonds and partially by the state, owned by the city and leased to the Yankees at a concessional rate. Though I don't have the facts about all the stadiums built or renovated in the last decade or so, I think this is pretty standard stuff. Governments try to impose their rules on anyone who partakes of their largesse thus the own! er! ! ! ! s have compromised their independence. -- On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:50:58 Tim May wrote: > >At 6:20 PM -0400 9/23/00, David Honig wrote: >>At 01:42 PM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: >>>The failure of capitalism is the failure to recognize that human beings >>>have rights and that business is simply an expression of individual >>>rights. Rights allow one to pursue an activity until that behaviour >>>infringes anothers right to engage in their activity (in this case raising >>>their children). >> >>Having a child gives you no extra rights to control others' behavior. >> >>If you don't want to see lesbians kiss, stay out of the ballpark. >> >>[the latter a reference to two lesbians being evicted from a >>baseball game for kissing (yes, in Calif, in 2000), when mixed-sex couples >>were doing the same. the baseball corporation thereafter recanted, and >>gave 5K tickets to homosexual groups, thereby saving themselves a major >>lawsuit] > >Ball parks are nominally private (pace your "baseball corporation" comment)/ > >If a venue or site or company or piece of property is >privately-owned, then all liberty-advocating persons would certainly >say the owners have every right to tell lesbians and queers to stay >out. > >"If you don't want to see lesbians kiss, come to PacBell Park!" > > >--Tim May > > > > > >-- >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >"Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments. > > > Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com

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CDR: papillon
by mpapillon 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

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First Cypherpunks Physical Meeting Europe
by cypherpunks-europe＠koeln.ccc.de 25 Sep '00

25 Sep '00

On Saturday the 30th of September at 16:00 h there will be held the first cypherpunks physical meeting in Europe. GENERAL INFO DATE: September 30th, 2000 TIME: 16:00 (4 pm) CEST PLACE: Hamburg, "Tex's Bar-B-Q" bar/restaurant at Millerntorplatz 1 AGENDA Since this is the first Meeting we will do an on-the-fly agenda about actual topics. This is an open public meeting, and everyone's invited - you don't need to bring two forms of government ID to get your key certified, unless you're into that sort of thing, though creative false documentation is always appreciated... LOCATION See http://www.lemuria.org/cpunk.html for directions NOTES To be informed about further european cypherpunk activities join cypherpunks-europe-announce(a)koeln.ccc.de by mailing to cypherpunks-europe-announce-request(a)koeln.ccc.de or visiting http://koeln.ccc.de/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks-europe-announce People organising the meeting can be reached at cypherpunks-europe(a)koeln.ccc.de, archives are at http://koeln.ccc.de/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks-europe Further meetings are projekted * at end of December in Berlin near the Chaos Communication Congress - https://www.ccc.de/congress/ * in Spring 2001 in Scandinavia * in Summer 2001 at the HAL - http://www.hal2001.org/

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CDR: NUMBER THEORY BOOKS, 1996+
by Jim Choate 24 Sep '00

24 Sep '00

http://www.math.uga.edu/~ntheory/N12.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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