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CDR: Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by Trei, Peter 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

> Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] wrote: > > What happens if by the day the new president is to take his oath there is > still no clear winner? Even if the candidates get together and one is a > gracious loser, the trauma won't be lessened. There will be literaly no > faith in the president. What would Congress need to do in order to pass an > emergency resolution that would allow the current president to stay in > office until the issue is resolved. Could this be a new way to get a third > term? Would the vice-president (who serves when the president can't) then > be the next in line (assume the speaker of the house would be next if > memory serves)? > One of the good results of the current stalemate is that many of us are getting crash courses in constitutional law. This is covered by the Presidential Succession Act of 1947. See http://www.greatsource.com/amgov/almanac/documents/key/1947_psa_1.html There would be appointed an acting president, who would stay in office only until the election was settled. The order of sucession goes; President Clinton Vice President Gore Speaker of the House Hastert President pro-tem of the Senate Gore Secretary of State Albright Secretary of the Treasury Secretary of Defense Attorney General Reno Postmaster General Secretary of the Navy Secretary of the Interior Secretary of Agriculture Secretary of Commerce Secretary of Labor I suspect that the upshot would be that Clinton would stay in office for a while. The other alternative is that the already appointed electors vote, leaving out the unappointed Florida electors. This would throw the race to Gore. Peter Trei

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CDR: Inferno: languages and codes... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 11 Nov 100 10:21:53 -0600 (EST) From: CarlosGomes <gomes(a)navigo.com> Reply-To: hell(a)ssz.com To: farmers(a)navigo.com;, hell(a)einstein.ssz.com;, bbeckwith(a)greenwichtech.com, madhu(a)chaganti.net Subject: Inferno: languages and codes... Want to obfuscate your talk about coding even further? How about coding with a Perl module that allows programs to be written in Latin? The original reference came to me through memepool.org... Perligata code -- A Greek algorithm in Latin #! /usr/local/bin/perl -w use Lingua::Romana::Perligata; maximum inquementum tum biguttam egresso scribe. meo maximo vestibulo perlegamentum da. da duo tum maximum conscribementa meis listis. dum listis decapitamentum da nexto fac sic nextum tum novumversum scribe egresso. lista sic hoc recidementum nextum cis vannementa da listis. cis. See the link for rationale (interesting from a linguistics p.o.v.), history, and coding examples: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html ymmv, C.G. -- Carlos Macedo Gomes gomes(a)navigo.com a Navigo Farmer _sic itur ad astra_

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CDR: FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Twentieth Amendment
by Jim Choate 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment20/ -- ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: JAK=Kryptik jenseits von PGP und Co.
by 520099074608-0001＠t-online.de 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

Im Gegensatz zu PGP gibt es von JAK jederzeit Texte, Kryptogramme und Schlüssel zu Testzwecken. 1. Unter www.r-adrian.de 2. Hier:

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CDR: Re: low tech surveillance-cam countermeasures in Israel
by Kerry L. Bonin 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

At 04:56 AM 11/11/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: [snip] >On the other hand, cameras keep getting cheap, >and you can hide radio-equipped web-quality cameras >for nearly no money anywhere you've got electricity, >so getting all (or enough) of them can be harder. OTOOH, if you've a little money to invest, the optical reflection DSP techniques developed to detect sniper rifle scopes could be used to find cameras in large areas. (Laser reflected off spinning scanning mirror into target area, digitize reflected light and process to detect internal reflections of lens assemblies. Done right it can identify scope by make and model, mirror gives relative bearing to points of interest.) This technique should apply to everything but pinhole lenses, which aren't very useful for staring-eye type field surveillance. A simple commercial version of this is already available to sweep for hidden cameras in a small room type environment, scaling for large field use should be relatively simple with better optics and detectors. Its likely a few of the spooks on this list have used such equipment, its probably been deployed for a number of years now by the US.

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CDR: low tech surveillance-cam countermeasures in Israel
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

Hizbullah operatives seeking to block IDF cameras (IsraelWire-11/10) Hizbullah guerilla forces are stepping up their anti-Israel activities, including efforts to block sophisticated IDF cameras installed along the northern border. With the use of mirrors, Hizbullah is working to block the effectiveness of the surveillance cameras installed along the northern border. The cameras, mounted atop armored personnel carriers, were deployed following the unilateral IDF withdrawal from southern Lebanon in June. Hizbullah activists are using mirrors to blind the cameras with sunlight, making surveillance increasingly difficult at a time when the northern border remains on high alert. http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/articles/542001.htm

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CDR: !!Lenders COMPETE for your MORTAGE Loan!! -omfyqgxjrkb
by hole1001＠pageice.com 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

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CDR: Where indeed is John Young?
by brflgnk＠cotse.com 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

Tim asked where John Young might be, in considering Jim Bell's predicament. I notice that nothing new has been posted to Cryptome since Nov. 4. Why do I have a bad feeling about this?

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

Are you arguing that there were people who did not know that they were voting for someone who was dead? Yes. I agree that the appointment may or may not be considered legal, depending upon how the law is interpreted. However, what is abundantly clear to me is that most, if not all, of the electorate know that the guy is dead. It was in the news for weeks. If anyone is suggesting that there is some bait and switch going on, let's see the evidence. Was there a news black out? Where the news papers destroyed? Radio stations cut off? TV frequencies jammed? Please note that it is not clear yet whether this particular corner case of the law is well-defined. The courts will decide that. The courts may very well be required to void this appointment for some important Constitutional reason. Who knows? My original point is that even if the courts find that the law is technically being violated, it may not necessarily void the appointment because the court may find that the violation is not serious enough to tell voters they cannot have what they want. Your statement about letting the voters have anything they want is clearly extreme and irrelevant in this case. This case is decided on subtleties of the law and the exceptional circumstances, not the extremes you are alluding to. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Jim Burnes [mailto:jburnes@savvis.net] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A very brief politcal rant On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: > > Um ... this is a good technical argument, but it does not address > the basic premise that what the voters wants is what the voters > should get. There is no question what the voter wants. They > knew ahead of time that they would be voting for a dead man's wife. > The appointment may be technically flawed, but for a judge to throw > this out would require finding a serious problem. Technicality is > probably not a serious enough problem to go against the electorate. > > Let me re-state what you have just said. The 'people' should get what the 'people' want irregardless of the law. Unfortunately what the people want is unclear here. If the people wanted the dead governors wife for senate they should have put her on the ballot. Playing the bait and switch game distorts the election outcome. What the people are getting is what the governor wants. Welcome to the people's paradise of Misery. If the people really want her, a special election should clear that up very quickly. It would be above board and not more Jefferson City scamming and corruption. I've seen first hand the intent and demeanor of St. Louis politics and its not pretty. This probably had much to do with his election. jim

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CDR: Ruling Says Parents Have Right to See List of Sites Students Visit
by An Metet 11 Nov '00

11 Nov '00

By CARL S. KAPLAN In an opinion sure to heighten the tension between some parents and school systems over the Internet's role in publicly financed education, a New Hampshire judge has decided that a parent is entitled to see a list of the Internet sites or addresses visited by computer users at local schools. Unless overturned on appeal, the ruling by Judge Gillian L. Abramson of Rockingham Country Superior Court means that James M. Knight of Exeter, N.H., who brought the lawsuit last summer, may review a copy of the "Internet history log" files from computers maintained by two local school districts. The computer disk files contain a record of Internet sites visited by computer users -- students, staff, faculty -- within the Exeter Region Cooperative School District and the Exeter School District. Significantly, in an attempt to protect individual students' privacy, the court said that the schools must write a computer program that removes user names and passwords from the Internet History Log files before making the Web site lists available to Knight, which both sides agreed would be easy to do. In addition, the costs of the editing and the disk copying must be paid by Knight or any other person requesting the records, the court said. But "since the respondents have the capacity to produce the record in a manner that does not reveal confidential information," the judge said, the history log file "is not exempt" from the state's Right-to-Know law. Greg Kann, chairman of the Exeter Region Cooperative School Board, said in an interview that school board members would soon meet with their laywer and the superintendents to consider legal options. A decision on whether to appeal may be made as soon Friday, he said. Jon Meyer, a lawyer in Manchester, N.H., who has experience in education law and civil rights cases, said that the New Hampshire decision is the first he is aware of involving a parent's right to gain access to school Internet records. He predicted that if Judge Abramson's ruling is not overturned, anxious parents in other states might be emboldened to use local right-to-know laws to gain access to and review school Internet history log files to check on student online activity. Meyer also observed that one of the main issues in the Knight case was the balance between the values of privacy and disclosure. "It appears likely that the judge thought those issues could be reconciled" by editing out identifying personal information, he said. Knight, a master plumber whose four children had attended schools in the Exeter area two years ago before transferring to private schools, has been a vocal critic of the local school boards' decision not to require filtering or blocking software on school computers. Concerned that students were visiting pornographic or other inappropriate Web sites, he sought access to Internet history log files from 1998 -- the date when a majority of local students gained online access in schools -- to the present. The lever he used was the state's Right-to-Know law, which requires public documents to be disclosed on request. One of the key issues resolved by Judge Abramson's decision is whether history log files maintained by schools are "public records" under the disclosure law. School officials had argued in court papers that the files were private because students using school computers to access the Internet are not doing the official business of any public body. Rejecting this argument as "flawed," Judge Abramson said that students in schools are not using the computers for personal use "but as an integral part of the education curriculum." Thus the records of such official computer use must be deemed public, she asserted. In addition, she noted that New Hampshire law requires the school districts to adopt an appropriate acceptable use policy for the Internet. When the local schools implemented those policies, the history log files were created "pursuant to law" and therefore must be considered public documents, said the court. For his part, Knight, 44, said that he was "ecstatic" over the ruling. He said he hopes to review the school log files next week if possible. "My request was reasonable," he said. "How else can a parent critique or decide if a site is appropriate for students unless you can get access?" Knight also said that he had recently received e-mails from people in California, Utah, Colorado and Nevada who were interested in possibly filing their own lawsuits to get access to Internet history log files maintained by schools that do not offer filtering software. "They have the same concerns as I do," he said. One expert in education law who has been following the case was critical of the court's ruling. Julie Underwood, general counsel for the National School Boards Association, based in Alexandria, Va., said she was concerned that the New Hampshire school officials would release private information about students' online activities. "I don't think personally identifiable information in the Internet history log files can be easily redacted," she said. "You know, we have trained school districts not to release student files. And here they are forced to release information which they believe contains personally identifiable information on students." Underwood noted that at a technology and learning conference in Denver two weeks ago, representatives from school districts across the country expressed concern that they might soon come under pressure to release Internet student activity files. "Even if a school uses filtering software to block out some Web sites, the filtering software creates files, too, which may have to be released," she said. "That makes me nervous." Michael Sims, a computer programmer and critic of filtering software in schools and libraries, agreed that filtering software creates useful log files that record Web sites visited by students and Web sites that were requested but blocked. He said if Congress eventually passes a law requiring filtering software in schools and libraries, as seems likely, he would use state right-to-know laws to obtain the log files in an attempt to challenge the law and the validity of filter programs. "Absolutely, the precedent in New Hampshire will help us," he said. Two years ago Sims and other activists from The Censorware Project, through an administrative process, successfully gained access to Web site tracking information contained on school computers in Utah. The group wanted to see how often students at Utah schools, which employ blocking software, were denied access to what the group deemed to be worthwhile sites.

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