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CDR: Tu no te fuiste al CONCIERTO...???
by webmaster＠logrande.com 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

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CDR: Physical Meet: Tuesday Nov. 14, 2000
by Jim Choate 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

Austin Cypherpunks Monthly Physical Meeting Central Market HEB Cafe 38th & N. Lamar 2nd. Tuesday of each month 7-9pm http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/index.html We normaly meet outside at the tables unless the weather is bad. Look for the red covered 'Applied Cryptography' book to identify the group. Please visit the homepage for information on joining both the Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer (CDR) as well as the local mailing list. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Announcing PerpetualElection.com, political news/discussion site
by Declan McCullagh 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

PerpetualElection.com Launches News and Discussion Site Press Release NOVEMBER 10, 2000 -- PerpetualElection.com, the only website devoted exclusively to news about the first perpetual presidential election in U.S. history, launched on Friday. The site, operated by activists and journalists, is designed to provide an information and discussion area for Americans who want to follow the recent events in the Sunshine State. For example: Will Al Gore litigate? Did George W. Bush truly win? Why would over 3,000 people vote for Pat Buchanan anyway? Could the House of Representatives pick the next president? At PerpetualElection.com, we'll chart the story's development with the help of our readers. Unlike many other sites, PerpetualElection.com has liberals, conservatives, greens, and libertarians as editors. All have equal ability to post news and start discussions, and there is no single editorial point of view. Some of our editors, in alphabetical order: * Sonia Arrison of the Pacific Research Institute in San Francisco * Kathleen Ellis, a Baltimore system administrator and journalist * Declan McCullagh, Washington correspondent for Wired News * Jill Pelavin, a programmer living in Mountain View, California PerpetualElection.com is an open source project: It runs on a Red Hat Linux server and uses mySQL as a database. The Slash engine, made popular by Slashdot.org, is used for discussions and articles. For more information, contact: feedback(a)perpetualelection.com (202) 986 3455 Voice (413) 845-5444 Fax Or visit: http://www.perpetualelection.com/ http://www.perpetualelection.com/about.shtml ###

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Declan McCullagh 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

As a working journalist writing about politics, I get lots of feedback from voters. Many are, sadly, clueless. But it is a stretch to assert, as you blithely do, that every voter knew that the guy was dead. My own experience shows otherwise. -Declan At 09:55 11/10/2000 -0800, Ernest Hua wrote: >To believe your assertions, you would have to assume that the >voter walked into the booth never picking up on any news and >never spoke to anyone, and just had no clue who he/she was >voting for. This behavior is clearly legal. But just as Tim >cannot be concerned about inner city welfare mothers ("maggots"? >what word did he use?), I simply cannot be concerned about this >uninformed segment of the electorate.

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CDR: RE: Looking for statistically-unlikely surges in absentee ballots
by Ernest Hua 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

And would you be so upset if it were a county full of people that share YOUR political persuasion, but similarly configured? Probably not. Therefore, you are not quite the objective guy you claim. You just have a lot of vocal people on this list who share YOUR views. There are a lot of people in Palm Beach County who share some other views. They feel cheated. They are angry. They are using the legal system to do something about it. They may not succeed. (Who cares.) All I claimed was that they have a right to pursue the issue precisely because the goal of elections is to see what the voters want, not whether the voters meet some intelligence criteria or can decipher some level of complexity. I may personally dislike the notion that such idiots are voting, but they have every right to vote. I also am well aware that real people in real situations make mistakes. That is why there are lots of recourses to help fix election process problems. Of course, the ideal would be that everyone votes exactly at the same time, with informed intelligence, etc .. Real life is much more complicated than that, and unlike you, I do not pretend to know every complication (and have an proper solution) that could happen to such a huge process. Ern, President and CEO, PinHead Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 12:48 PM To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: Looking for statistically-unlikely surges in absentee ballots I just heard Karen Hughes of the Bush Campaign express concern about the status of absentee ballots being mailed AFTER the outcome of the election was shown to be so close. In particular, after the legal cut-off date. This fits with what I just posted about concerns that Florida dual-citizenship residents of Israel, or tourists in Israel, sending in absentee ballots they had neglected to send in by the cut-off date. (Or, more ominously, ZOG conveniently postmarking them to match the law in Florida.) [By the way, I think in my ZOG piece I mentioned Palm Beach County. This is not the point, as the closeness of the vote is Florida-wide. This is what I meant to say.] The thing to look for is a _surge_ in ballots arriving in Florida absentee ballots as compared to other states. While other states may also have some degree of "after the fact absentee ballots," the incentives are higher in a razor-thin state like Florida. A surge of absentee ballots arriving two or three days after the controversy became obvious would be compelling evidence to justify further investigation. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: RE: Rants and sour grapes ...
by Ernest Hua 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

1. I still find it funny that bozos like you assume that I would vote for Gore. But that's one thread that will probably not lead anywhere with your type. 2. I did not say that the right resolution for Palm Beach County was to let them vote. I simply stated that the goal is of an election was to figure out what the electorate wanted, not whether the electorate was good at using or abusing any particular voting technique or process. Tim and company (and perhaps you) seemed to be quite absolutist in the notion that whatever shit happens on election day, that's the way it is, and no one ever get a chance to correct anything. I don't subscribe to that absolutist view. I also did not say that any flexibility or compromise resolution is only for Palm County or any other Gore-leaning counties. YOU and Tim and the rest made that assumption (hence, probably item #1 above). 3. Unlike many of you nuts, I do not subscribe to the notion that violence is the next step (even if you claim that YOU yourself wouldn't do it, but someone else will ... that's just a lot of chicken shit BS). If you want powder keg and ammo and Ryder trucks, you are on a different planet than mine. It is not impossible for me to ever pick up a gun, but it is not anywhere near top-10 on my list. I may agree with you and Tim on crypto, but I certain loath to meet either of you in person on the streets. Your anti-everything and get out of my hair anger is just too much for my tastes. Ern -----Original Message----- From: Gil Hamilton [mailto:gil_hamilton@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:08 AM To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: Re: Rants and sour grapes ... Ernest Hua writes: >It is abundantly clear to me that much of the ranting going on here on this >list is at least 50% sour grapes. > >Not to pick on Tim, but he just seems like a convenient example; it is >clear in Tim's mind that he does not want the possibility of Gore being the >next president. He may have some procedural reasons to back this rant up, >but he definitely does not like Gore. You arrogant pinhead. It is you who have been whining that these poor dimwitted voters in Palm Beach County must be allowed to vote again; after all, "the voters should get what they want." In any case, if they did hold a revote in Palm Beach County, what happens after that? What if Bush is still ahead and there are more spoiled ballots? What if Gore is ahead, but there are spoiled ballots? Or, is the objective to just allow them to re-vote again and again until you and Gore get the outcome you're looking for? And what about other states? There were spoiled ballots in every state and probably every precinct, and I have no doubt there was some idiot confused by the ballot in every such case. What is the threshold at which we allow that state or precinct to vote over again? I'm beginning to think Tim is right: The fuse on this powder keg is lit. The NAACP and its ilk, along with Gore partisans like you, will never accept the outcome of this election. And holding a re-vote is the beginning of the end. Republicans aren't likely to let the Dems get away with stealing it back. In the end, I guess Slick Willie will just have to declare himself dictator-for-life and invoke martial law to "maintain order". Better stock up on ammo, folks. (Maybe Y2K was just a few months late.) - GH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: synthetic images still k-porn to appeals ct
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

Federal appeals panel upholds computer child-porn law By David Hudson The Freedom Forum Online 11.07.00 The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has become the third federal appeals court to uphold a federal law expanding the definition of child pornography to include computer-generated images of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct even if the images only appear to be of a minor. http://www.freedomforum.org/news/2000/11/2000-11-07-03.htm

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CDR: Authenticating John Young
by Anonymous Remailer 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

John, It would be nice if you start to sign everything you post on cryptome, so once you really get abducted theyll have to rubberhose you for the passphrase as well ...

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CDR: Re: Rants and sour grapes ...
by Gil Hamilton 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

Ernest Hua writes: >It is abundantly clear to me that much of the ranting going on here on this >list is at least 50% sour grapes. > >Not to pick on Tim, but he just seems like a convenient example; it is >clear in Tim's mind that he does not want the possibility of Gore being the >next president. He may have some procedural reasons to back this rant up, >but he definitely does not like Gore. You arrogant pinhead. It is you who have been whining that these poor dimwitted voters in Palm Beach County must be allowed to vote again; after all, "the voters should get what they want." In any case, if they did hold a revote in Palm Beach County, what happens after that? What if Bush is still ahead and there are more spoiled ballots? What if Gore is ahead, but there are spoiled ballots? Or, is the objective to just allow them to re-vote again and again until you and Gore get the outcome you're looking for? And what about other states? There were spoiled ballots in every state and probably every precinct, and I have no doubt there was some idiot confused by the ballot in every such case. What is the threshold at which we allow that state or precinct to vote over again? I'm beginning to think Tim is right: The fuse on this powder keg is lit. The NAACP and its ilk, along with Gore partisans like you, will never accept the outcome of this election. And holding a re-vote is the beginning of the end. Republicans aren't likely to let the Dems get away with stealing it back. In the end, I guess Slick Willie will just have to declare himself dictator-for-life and invoke martial law to "maintain order". Better stock up on ammo, folks. (Maybe Y2K was just a few months late.) - GH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: Yer Mahm...
by R. A. Hettinga 10 Nov '00

10 Nov '00

At 1:38 PM -0500 on 11/10/00, Furlong, Steven wrote: > Robert Hettinga wrote: >>...The one person I fear more than Tim May, maybe even >>my Roslindale Attorney, being me dear Mum... :-)) > > You think you got it bad? _My_ mom is a small-town deputy. > And she drives a pickup. The only saving grace is there isn't > a shotgun rack in the pickup. *My* mom will be 79 next month. She has spent most of her spare hours, as long as I can remember, in Republican politics in various places, from El Paso to St. Thomas to Anchorage to St. Louis to Dallas, and, finally, to Albuquerque, where she's now lived for almost 20 years. The Republican Party being where, as most people probably know, the women do all the work and the men just walk around like they own the place -- just so you know where *I* got it from. :-). She retired with real estate broker's licenses in three states that I know about, Missouri, Alaska, and Texas. Maybe also New Mexico, too, for all I know. She's personally gotten a couple of dozen people elected, the one of longest record being Alaska's Congressman Don Young, for whom she run an RCC-decorated phone-room get-out-the-vote operation. Young's still on the Hill, stuffing those pork barrels and with yours and my money and packing them off the almost-wilds of Alaska, or at least Los Anchorage, where all his votes *really* live. One of her memories (besides telling Ronald Reagan to his face in no uncertain terms that he was damn well going to get Carter elected in 1976 if he didn't sit down and shut up :-)) was baby-sitting one George Herbert Walker Bush one St. Louis day in the middle 70's, when he was between jobs and nobody really wanted to talk to him at the time... At the moment, if she's not contemplating the Ruin of the American Republic at the Hands of Albert Gore, Jr. (our favorite scenario was him buying off the electoral college), her having been a poll-judge at almost every election I can remember until the last few, she's probably yelling "Recount!", into the phone, at the top of her lungs, an the Appropriate Duly-Constituted Legal Official about that something-hundred-vote squeaker in New Mexico that she *knows* Bush *really* won. :-). Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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