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Bush's special military tribunals?
by Harmon Seaver 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

Check out http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010924/bprivacy.html -- anyother references anywhere to Bush's plan for special military tribunals with no constitutional protections for the defendant? WTF? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 hseaver(a)cybershamanix.com http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html

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Intercepts foretold of 'big attack' -- The Washington Times
by Jim Choate 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-200192213012.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Guardian Unlimited Observer | UK News | Fury at plan to sell off DNA secrets
by Jim Choate 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

http://observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,556511,00.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Death of 'nations'?
by Jim Choate 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

Hi, Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the concept of 'nation'? Are we faced with the incontrovertible truth that we either abandon the concepts of science/technology, accept a autocratic state where our every move is reviewed for threat potential, or do we find another solution to the problems of mankind other than the 'state'? Are these the only three choices? It is clear that any assault on 'method' will fail because there is an infinite regress. Instead we should focus on 'motive' since if a person is never motivated to commit the act in the first place the 'method' becomes moot. This raises the question of what does 'individual' or 'independent' mean in a technology filled world? It is also clear that CACL solutions won't work, the example of armed aircraft passengers during a high-jack clearly demonstrates how such confrontations can be turned against the passengers to their own detriment. Their very biological nature makes such solutions unworkable. Is it time that all forms of human government recognize the fundamental limits imposed by physics (something even CACL theory doesn't do)? Whatever solution works must include some form of neutral third party conflict resolution mechanism. And the solutions of that mechanism must not resort to forceful coercion. It must recognize the fundamental right of the individual to not go along with the majority in (nearly?) all cases. Is it time we recognize that the good of the many doesn't outweight the needs of the few in all cases? And that in any case the initiation of violence (physical or not) is never justified? That irrespective of the issue forcing someone to participate only creates more problems in the future that any possible good that may come from forcing the current resolution? That these problems will pile up until there is no solution other than a complete 'reboot'? That individuals have a fundamental right to say "No, I won't participate" irrespective of the issue? That in fact Lincolns 'universal law of nations' is nothing more than a scam? Does the threat of future technology applications justify abandoning those applications? Do we put a cap on our lifestyle? I propose that the only solution isn't forcing people to participate but rather offering voluntary opportunities to participate. Buy their cooperation. Is this the true future of 'economics'? -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by pseudolicious＠hushmail.com 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

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IP: Do read -- EFF statement on opposition to MATA/ATA (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:25:50 -0400 From: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Do read -- EFF statement on opposition to MATA/ATA >EFF members have asked why we have objected to some of the proposed >changes to wiretapping and other laws made in the aftermath of the recent >terrorist attacks on the U.S. We do not raise these objections lightly, >not are they light objections. We fully support legitimate government >efforts to bring the perpetrators of these attacks to justice. Yet as a >watchdog for civil liberties, we are skeptical of claims that the only way >we can increase our security is by giving up our freedoms. And a close >look at the specific measures proposed shows several areas that should >concern all Americans. > >First, these bills are not being carefully reviewed, or even reviewed at >all, by our lawmakers. SA 1562 was introduced late at night and voted on >within a half hour, with several senators complaining that they had not >been given the chance to read it. Similarly, both MATA and its later >incarnation, ATA, are long and complex bills, making changes throughout >our legal structure. Yet the Attorney General has asked for them to be >voted into law within a week. This complete dismissal of the normal >processes for legislation should alarm anyone who believes in democratic >government. > >Second, these changes are permanent. EFF shares the desire to move >quickly now in order to better track the perpetrators of this shocking >attack. But none of the legislative changes that have been proposed so >far is temporary -- these are broad ranging, permanent reductions in civil >liberties and privacy of all Americans. History has shown that such laws, >passed in haste during a time of crisis, linger and cause difficulties >long after the crisis has passed. > >Third, these proposed laws include provisions that appear to have nothing >to do with fighting terrorism, such as allowing wiretaps based upon >allegations of defacing a web site. If it is the case that low-level >computer defacement is a problem that relates to terrorism, we encourage >law enforcement to explain the connection. Instead, it seems that several >of the most worrisome provisions of the proposed laws are part of a >general law enforcement "wish list" rather than a specific response to >terrorism. > >Finally, changes in surveillance authority are suggested without any >showing that the current requirements for FISA, Title III and pen/trap >surveillance posed a barrier to the investigation of the attacks. We have >been told that FISA warrants were issued and served on major ISPs within >hours of the terrorist attacks last week. There have been no reports that >the minimal processes required for these warrants have hampered the >investigations. > >The EFF does not categorically oppose all changes in our laws or >regulations in response to the attack. But responses that are unrelated >to increasing our security or that change parts of the laws that are not a >barrier to preventing of terrorism are not only bad policy, they run the >risk of lulling us into believing that we are more safe than we actually >are. The EFF does not claim to be experts in anti-terrorism measures. We >are experts in civil liberties and privacy, however, and believe that any >lessening of those rights must be carefully debated and adequately justified. > >The U.S. legal system has been based upon the basic precept that American >citizens should not be subject to surveillance unless there has been a >showing that he or she may have committed a serious offense. Maybe we now >wish abandon that precept. Maybe we now wish to live in a world where who >we e-mail and where we travel on the Internet is routinely monitored by >centralized government authorities. We at the EFF do not believe so. But >at a minimum, such changes must be subjected to informed public debate. > >On September 11, President Bush said that freedom itself had been >attacked. In our response to that horrible act, the understandable desire >to prevent future attacks should not lead us to do further, permanent >damage that same freedom. For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/

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ADV: I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. Time:4:12:33 AM
by webmaster0875＠yahoo.com 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

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branding war:pentagon changing operation's codename
by pseudolicious 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

winston churchill once said: <"Operations in which large numbers of men may lose their lives ought not to be described by code words which imply a boastful or overconfident sentiment."> -------- GOVERNMENT TRIPPING OVER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC=BY SARAH LUBMAN SJMercury News For the second time in less than a week, the U.S. government had damage control to do because of its religion-infused rhetoric. The Pentagon on Thursday backed away from the code name for its anti-terrorist offensive, ``Operation Infinite Justice,'' for fear of offending Muslims. /.../ Objections to ``Infinite Justice'' came up at a Pentagon briefing on Thursday. A reporter told Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that several Islamic scholars took issue with the term, saying that infinite justice resides only with God, or Allah. /.../ The American military, following German practice, began naming its military operations during World War II. In 1942, the Joint Chiefs of Staff approved an index of code words that are randomly assigned for each operation. The first word refers to the operation's region -- e.g., ``desert'' for the Middle East -- and the second often connotes some kind of resolve. Winston Churchill was fascinated with code names and had his own thoughts on the matter, according to a 1995 article on the history of naming operations in Parameters, a U.S. Army War College quarterly. Churchill instructed that operation names shouldn't be silly: They should not ``enable some widow or mother to say that her son was killed in an operation called `Bunnyhug' or `Ballyhoo.' '' /.../ http://www0.mercurycenter.com/partners/docs/003925.htm Posted at 11:03 p.m. PDT Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001

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The most authoritative Wine & Spirit Trade Fair in China
by Sino333＠toad.com 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

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by Taylor Enterprises 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

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