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Who speaks for the detained
by Karsten M. Self 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

At last nights "BayFF" public meeting on pending anti-terrorist legislation, John Gilmore made what I felt was a very good point in the Q&A: Who is representing the 500+ people detained in the ongoing Sept. 11 investigation? Even assuming the Feds are being good at picking up people fitting profiles, there are doubtless innocents in the detained group. My understanding is that most are being held as material witnesses, under immigration rules (recently revised), not formally charged with any crime -- and hence not eligible for public defenders. The two panelists representing general civil rights causes, Robert Rubin (Legal Director, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights of the SF Bay Area) and Ann Brick (Staff Attourney, ACLU of Northern California) were disturbingly uninformed on the issue, Ann's comment was "nobody's contacted us" (well, um, yes...). As the names of the detainees haven't been released (this might compromise the investigation), yet the detainees may not have access to council, this seems to be, as one audience member commented, a catch-22. Press coverage on this topic is sparse at best. I've found one Yahoo story dating from Oct 2 which claims the detainees "were permitted to consult a lawyer" and were provided "documents in their native language". http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011002/pl/attack_detentions_dc_1.html Anyone here have data on the situation? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <kmself(a)ix.netcom.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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B61-11
by None 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

THE US 'ANNOUNCED' THEIR INTENTION TO USE B61-11 BUNKER BUSTERS ON LAST NIGHT'S NEWS BULLETINS (BUT SOMEHOW FORGOT TO REFER TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS) 2:00 a.m. Oct. 8, 2001 PDT Following the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was questioned on ABC television's This Week program about the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons in the expected conflicts to come. In practiced Pentagonese, Rumsfeld deftly avoided answering the question of whether the use of tactical nuclear weapons could be ruled out. Though large "theater" thermonuclear devices -- doomsday bombs -- don't fit the Bush administration's war on terrorism, smaller tactical nukes do not seem out of the question in the current mindset of the Defense Department. The most likely candidate is a tactical micro-nuke called the B61-11, an earth-penetrating nuclear device known as the "bunker buster." The B61-11 was designed to destroy underground military facilities such as command bunkers, ballistic missile silos and facilities for producing and storing weapons.

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B61-11
by None 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

THE US 'ANNOUNCED' THEIR INTENTION TO USE B61-11 BUNKER BUSTERS ON LAST NIGHT'S NEWS BULLETINS (BUT SOMEHOW FORGOT TO REFER TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS) 2:00 a.m. Oct. 8, 2001 PDT Following the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was questioned on ABC television's This Week program about the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons in the expected conflicts to come. In practiced Pentagonese, Rumsfeld deftly avoided answering the question of whether the use of tactical nuclear weapons could be ruled out. Though large "theater" thermonuclear devices -- doomsday bombs -- don't fit the Bush administration's war on terrorism, smaller tactical nukes do not seem out of the question in the current mindset of the Defense Department. The most likely candidate is a tactical micro-nuke called the B61-11, an earth-penetrating nuclear device known as the "bunker buster." The B61-11 was designed to destroy underground military facilities such as command bunkers, ballistic missile silos and facilities for producing and storing weapons.

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12 Oct '01

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The reward for osama bert laden
by mattd 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

The reward will be paid for information passed on in person to US authorities in a place/time of their chosing.This rules out 99 % of those who might actually be close enough to know anything. It also places them in immediate personal danger.Why isnt the reward encrypted as described in AP? And before sandy starts up again,if AP is so unrealistic,why was a SS agent required to assist 10 plainclothes federal and state police take my computer away four months ago.I wish sandy would explain to them how hopeless AP is.The main reason I think they wont encrypt is because they dont want it used on them,just like they regularly threaten to use nukes yet back off when they see it can boomerang on them.Cypherpunks should expose this craven cowardice or ...just say so.

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Re: Osama is Jesus
by An Metet 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

> Bush is just a mindless puppet channeling the Masters of > the Illuminatti. Aha, no wonder he reminds me so much of Hitler, who was also channeling the Masters.

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Re: FC: FBI posts "skyfall" terrorism alert, says, oops, we'll rename
by Steve Schear 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

I would be at all surprised if this alarming but useless announcement was meant to pressure Congress to keep the strictest measures in the anti-terrorism legislation before it. At 05:57 PM 10/11/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47510,00.html > > FBI Warns of 'Skyfall' Attack > By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)wired.com) > 2:35 p.m. Oct. 11, 2001 PDT > > WASHINGTON -- In a brief but dramatic statement, the FBI warned > Thursday that Americans should expect additional terrorist attacks. > > A two-sentence press release on FBI.gov said there "may be additional > terrorist attacks within the United States and against U.S. interests

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Verisecurity
by Steve Schear 12 Oct '01

12 Oct '01

[Those of us who travel from Oakland know the security there is joke. The firm contracted to provide security, ABC, has been put on notice by the Port of Oakland committee charged with awarding the security contracts that it would be replaced by County Sheriffs within 6 months. This occurred after local media uncovered massive conflicts of interest and incompetence in the award process.] Thursday October 11 09:53 PM EDT Security Breaches at Oakland Airport By KPIX - Roz Plater Security at Oakland International Airport is under increasing scrutiny, after reports that several security guards were found sleeping on the job. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/kpix/20011011/lo/1500_1.html

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Mitnick pops up on ABC-TV spy series "Alias."
by Xeni Jardin 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

I haven't seen this confirmed elsewhere, so take it FWIW. Then again maybe the big trades don't know who Mitnick is, or care. Hey, maybe Evil Bert will cameo the following week, when ABC produces an episode on sending messages to sleeper agents through DIY Bangladeshi Photoshop collages. ------ <Notorious computer hacker Kevin Mitnick will guest star on ABCs spy drama Alias on Sunday, Oct. 28. The hacker who once filled one of the top spots on the FBIs most-wanted list and who spent five years in prison for several computer fraud crimes will ironically play a CIA agent. > <http://www.medialifemagazine.com/features/peoplepages/2001/people1010.html>

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Sun's McNealy seeks national ID card, too
by Anonymous Coredump 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

from <http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20011011/tc/tech_id_dc_1.html> Thursday October 11 2:12 PM ET Sun Micro CEO Sees More Support for National ID By Broward Liston ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - Scott McNealy, chairman and CEO of Sun Microsystems Inc., said Thursday his long-held belief the United States needs a national identity system has gained a lot of traction since the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. ``This is more than a sea change,'' McNealy said to reporters at an industry conference in Orlando. ``I have not spoken to one person who hasn't flipped a switch to say, 'You're darn right, I want to know who's getting on a plane with me.''' Sun developed the Java computer platform, which could someday provide the language needed for a smart-card identification system to deal with computers at airports, shopping malls, research facilities and other locations where McNealy said anonymity could prove dangerous. ``Absolute anonymity breeds absolute irresponsibility,'' he said. ``We need a thumbprint Java card in the hand of everybody in the country.'' Civil libertarians have heaped scorn on McNealy, but he dismissed their concerns. ``I'm tired of the outrage. If you get on a plane, I want to know who you are. If you rent a crop duster, I want to know who you are,'' he said. McNealy said it would be the job of Congress to decide when people can be anonymous and when they cannot. He warned that the United States faces ``a huge efficiency tax'' for security if it does not adopt a simple system of identification. ``Hiring 50 humans isn't going to solve that problem,'' he said. McNealy appeared at a symposium sponsored by Gartner, the high-tech consulting and analysis firm. McNealy also responded to remarks made at the conference the previous day by Steve Ballmer, chief executive of Microsoft Corp. Ballmer said Sun's Liberty Alliance Project, an identity authentication and authorization service meant to speed on-line transactions, ``has absolutely no probability of mattering to the world.'' Microsoft will compete with a similar service called Passport. Microsoft will go it alone on its service, while Sun is working with dozens of companies from eBay Inc. to General Motors Corp. McNealy said Thursday the number of partners could grow into the thousands. He said the strength of his system was that each partner would maintain its own customer list and could arrange data sharing with one another on their own terms. ``Hertz and United Airlines can work out their own deal instead of going to Microsoft and saying 'How much do we have to pay you?''' McNealy said. Microsoft believes its customer base of 120 million will make it dominant in the field. Sun is betting the flexibility of its system will make it more appealing to merchants.

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