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8 NOCHES CANCUN Y PUERTO PLATA POR TAN SOLO $399!
by DreamTime Tours International 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

¡NO DEJE QUE LE QUITEN SUS SUEÑOS! ¡Ahora mismo podemos ofrecerles ahorros que nunca antes se imaginaban! 9 días y 8 noches de alojamiento de lujo frente a las bellas playas de PUERTO PLATA en la República Dominicana y CANCUN en Mexico ¡CON TODO INCLUIDO! ¡Todas las comidas y bebidas incluidas! ¡Todos los entreteniminetos, facilidades y actividades incluidos! ¡Hasta las propinas incluidas! ¡Todo esto por tan solo $399.00 p/p! Usted puede viajar en cualquier momento que usted elegirá en los proximos 12 meses pero este precio es disponible por un tiempo limitado entonces tine que llamar ahora mismo. SUS VACACIONES DE LUJO INCLUYEN: 6 días y 5 noches de alojamiento de lujo en PUERTO PLATA, REPUBLICA, DOMINICANA con TODO INCLUIDO. Esto significa todos los entretenimientos, bebidas, comidas y deportes acuáticos están incluidos. Su lujoso alojamiento en Puerto Plata incluye playas privadas de arena blanca, programas para niños, discotecas, clubes, comidas estilo gourmet y muchísimo más. Le brindamos el transporte entre el aeropuerto de Puerto Plata y su lujoso hotel de alta categoría. Ademas tendrá otros 4 días y 3 noches de alojamiento en CANCUN, MEXICO también con TODO INCLUIDO. **Acuerdese que todo inluido significa que usted no gastará nada adicional al precio del programa ni en comida ni en tragos ni en refrescos ni en servicios ni entreteniminetos ni propinas.** Para aprovechar esta magnífica oportunida y ahorrar más de mil dolares en sus proximas vacaciones hay que llamar ahora mismo al 001-305- 899-8889. RESERVACION 80114905 CONTROL PKG018 DreamTime Tours International Travel Services tiene el orgullo de patrocinar este evento. Somos uno de los mayoristas de viajes más grandes de la Florida y el número uno del mercado hispano. Ubicado en Miami, Florida, DreamTime Tours International ha hecho viajar más de 50,000 familias en los ultimos 9 años en las vacaciones de sus sueños. Nuestra licencia estatal de la Florida es el ST-22168 y sus vacaciónes están garantizadas 100%. Estamos haciendo esta oferta internacional solo al titular de este correo electrónico con el proposito de promover el turismo en la Florida. Esto no es una promoción para tiempo compartido, bienes raices ní "time share"sino una oferta legitima de vacaciones de uno de los mayores vendedores al por mayor de vacaciones de la Florida. Favor de imprimir este documento y tener listo el número de reservación que aparece arriba. Esta es una oferta limitada y los operadores están esperando su llamada en la linea especial para la mayoría de los países del mundo 001- 305-899-8889. (Si llama desde Colombia el número es el 0091-305-899-8889 y desde Paraguay es el 0021-305-899-8889) ¡Si esta ocupado siga llamando! Debido a la gran cantidad de llamadas que recibimos solo se permite una sola llamada por invitación. Lunes a Viernes 8:00 AM a 10:30 PM Sábados 9:00 AM a 5:00 PM (Domingos cerrado) DREAMTIME TOURS está registrado en el estado de la Florida como mayorista de viajes. Registro número ST-22168. DREAMTIME TOURS le garantiza sus reservas a través de nuestro departamento reservaciones. Somos miembros de la Camara de Comercio, de CLIA y de IATAN. TERMINOS Y CONDICIONES DREAMTIME TOURS es una agencia autorizada de reservaciones en los E.E.U.U. de todas las demás empresas arriba mencionadas y lleva a cabo el cumplimiento de este promoción de vacaciones. Nuestro éxito se debe a que nuestros clientes vuelven a viajar con nosotros una y otra vez. Esta oferta no se le ofrece al público en general. Queda bajo las leyes y regulaciones federales, estatales y locales. Esta oferta no está relacionada con ninguna oferta de tiempo compartido o "time share" ni con ninguna oferta de bienes raíces. El cumplimiento de esta oferta está garantizada por el departamento de reservaciones de DREAMTIME TOURS que está registrada como agencia de viajes en la Florida con el registro ST-22168. Todos los paquetes vacacionales para esta promoción exclusiva son para un mínimo de dos personas. A cada persona notificada se le ha asignado números de control y reservación. Ciertas restricciones pueden aplicar. Esto no es ninguna lotería, concurso o sorteo. ¡Se acepta una sola llamada para inscribirse! No se aceptan llamdas de terceros ni se le pueden dar detalles. Un hotel puede ser sustituido por otro de la misma clase si no hubiese disponibilidad. El precio citado arriba no incluye cargos administrativo, tramites de reservación, impuestos, ní envio y manajo. DREAMTIME TOURS INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL SERVICES 12000 Biscayne Blvd. Suite 202 Miami, Florida 33181 001-305-899-8889 (Si responde a este e-mail con su nombre, número de reservación, el nombre de su país, el codigo de area o lada de su ciudad y su número de teléfono NOSOTROS LE LLAMAREMOS A TODA BREVEDAD para matricularle para esta gran programa.) This offer is intended only for opt in clients of DreamTime Tours International who live in Latin America and Spain; if you believe that you have received this by error or do not wish to receive future offers please respond to this e-mail with the subject line "REMOVE". Si usted no desea recibir ofertas en el futuro favor de responder a este e-mail con el sujeto "NO MAS" © 2001 Derechos reservados de Trend Marketing & Associates, Inc

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Re: Osama is Jesus
by Nomen Nescio 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

DB asked: > > I thought the coming of Christ was to be preceded by > the Anti-christ. Wouldn't that make Osama him? Or, do > you think someone else is noteworthy enough to wear > that crown? Dear me, no, how could Osama be the Anti-Christ? That was clearly Clinton. The Anti-Christ wouldn't have masses of people praying for him, only Messiah Osama has so many devoted followers and disciples. Bush is just a mindless puppet channeling the Masters of the Illuminatti.

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NYT:At U.S. Request, Networks Agree to Edit Future bin Laden Tapes
by Xeni Jardin 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

October 11, 2001 THE COVERAGE http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/11/national/11TUBE.html?pagewanted=print At U.S. Request, Networks Agree to Edit Future bin Laden Tapes By BILL CARTER and FELICITY BARRINGER he five major television news organizations reached a joint agreement yesterday to follow the suggestion of the White House and abridge any future videotaped statements from Osama bin Laden or his followers to remove language the government considers inflammatory. The decision, the first time in memory that the networks had agreed to a joint arrangement to limit their prospective news coverage, was described by one network executive as a "patriotic" decision that grew out of a conference call between the nation's top news executives and the White House National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, yesterday morning. The five news organizations, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, along with its subsidiary, MSNBC, the Cable News Network and the Fox News Channel all had broadcast, unedited, a taped message from Mr. bin Laden on Sunday. On Tuesday, the all-news cable channels, CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, also carried the complete speech of a spokesmen for Al Qaeda. Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman, in his news briefing yesterday, indicated that Ms. Rice was primarily concerned that terrorists could be using the broadcasts to send coded messages to other terrorists, but the network executives said in interviews that this was only a secondary consideration. They said Ms. Rice mainly argued that the tapes enabled Mr. bin Laden to vent propaganda intended to incite hatred and potentially kill more Americans. The executives said that they will broadcast only short portions of any tape issued by Al Qaeda and would eliminate any passages containing flowery rhetoric urging violence against Americans. They agreed to accompany the tapes with reports providing what they called appropriate context. They also agreed to avoid repeatedly showing excerpts from the tapes, which they had previously done in what one executive described as "video wallpaper." One network, ABC, said it would limit the use of moving images from tapes released by Mr. Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, mostly relying on a still picture from a frame of the tape and the printed text of whatever message was being delivered. The coverage of the aftermath of the terrorists attacks on New York and the Pentagon has generated intense competitive pressure among the television news organizations, which has increased this week as the news divisions labored to find images to continue documenting United States attacks on Afghanistan. The tapes have been broadcast by the Arabic language satellite network, Al Jazeera, and picked up by the American networks. The news executives said they had never previously consulted each other en masse and come to an agreement on a policy about coverage. But they said the current circumstances were unlike any other they have encountered. "This is a new situation, a new war, and a new kind of enemy," said Andrew Heyward, the president of CBS News. "Given the historic events we're enmeshed in, it's appropriate to explore new ways of fulfilling our responsibilities to the public." The presidents of the news divisions all said that Ms. Rice had not tried to coerce them. "She was very gentle, very diplomatic, very deft," said Roger Ailes, the chairman of Fox News. Walter Isaacson, the chairman of CNN, said, "It was very useful to hear their information and their thinking." He added, "After hearing Dr. Rice, we're not going to step on the land mines she was talking about." Mr. Isaacson did not specify what information Ms. Rice had provided that led to the executives' decision. "Her biggest point was that here was a charismatic speaker who could arouse anti-American sentiment getting 20 minutes of air time to spew hatred and urge his followers to kill Americans," said Neal Shapiro, the president of NBC News. The notion that Mr. bin Laden was sending messages to followers through the tapes seemed less than credible to several of the executives. "What sense would it make to keep the tapes off the air if the message could be found transcripted in newspapers or on the Web?" said one network executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The videos could also appear on the Internet. They'd get the message anyway." The unusual interaction between the White House and television executives was set up late Tuesday evening when Ms. Rice called each executive. They gathered in their offices at 9 a.m. for the conference call. She spoke with them for about 20 minutes, explaining her reservations about allowing Mr. bin Laden such access to American television. A White House official familiar with the phone call said Ms Rice had two concerns: that the messages would reach any remaining terrorist cells in the United States and would also inflame Muslim populations in such places as Malaysia and the Philippines, who would see the tapes through international channels of CNN and NBC. Ms. Rice answered questions. Then she hung up. But the executives had agreed before the call to stay on the line and talk among themselves. The networks were not the first news organizations to acquiesce to an administration requests to edit or withhold information. Leonard Downie Jr., the executive editor of The Washington Post, said yesterday, that "a handful of times" in the past month, the newspaper's reporting had prompted calls from administration officials who "raised concerns that a specific story or more often that certain facts in a certain story, would compromise national security." He added, "In some instances we have kept out of stories certain facts that we agreed could be detrimental to national security and not instrumental to our readers, such as methods of intelligence collection." Clark Hoyt, the Washington editor of Knight Ridder, said that his organization had decided to hold back a report about "some small units of U.S. special operations forces had entered Afghanistan and were trying to locate bin Laden" within two weeks of the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Howell Raines, the executive editor of The New York Times, said that since Sept. 11, Times executives have not had any conversations with government officials about the handling of sensitive information. Mr. Raines said, "Our longstanding practice has been that if a high government official wants to talk to us about security issues, we're available for that conversation. We also would feel free to seek guidance if there was information in our judgment that might be sensitive." The networks' decision has not raised serious protests among television journalists. Ted Koppel, the ABC "Nightline" anchor, said, "If we want to run some of the videotape, our understanding is we're still free to do it." But, he said, the videotapes by and large have not been compelling enough for long showings. The CBS anchor, Dan Rather said: "By nature and experience, I'm always wary when the government seeks in any way to have a hand in editorial decisions. But this is an extraordinary time. In the context of this time, the conversation as I understand it seems reasonable on both sides."

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Senate debate right now on CSPAN2
by Declan McCullagh 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

The debate over Feingold's amendments started around 9pm. One got overwhelmingly defeated, and Feingold has given up on another. That leaves two privacy-protective amendments to go (don't hold your breath). -Declan

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it was murder
by bill payne 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

I just talked to Morales in la. His relative was murdered. Bullet through the heart. Morales is from a totally different culture than I am. We talked about his. Morales said he is entering the anglo culture. What is fun about this is me entering the hispanic culture. BE CAREFUL. DON'T PISS THEM OFF! So we are on the legal attack. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ I keep getting these phone calls where no one responds. So I now respond AA. AA [ Answer the phone, Asshole] cypherpunks I keep reading this stuff on internet. You guys are DANGEROUS! best or aa guillermo aka bill or biru

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Net Ass To Sell PGP, Gauntlet
by Bill Scannell 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

------ Forwarded Message From: "Network Associates" <nai(a)nai.rsc01.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:01:09 -0700 To: bill(a)scannell.org Subject: To Our Valued Customers *************************************************** [This message is brought to you as a subscriber to the Network Associates or PGP websites. To unsubscribe, please follow the instructions at the bottom of the page.] *************************************************** 10/11/2001 To Our Valued Customers: Since joining Network Associates at the beginning of this year, I have focused on the best way to provide you, our valued customer, with the best products and highest possible level of service to ensure that your network is secure and available. Throughout the Network Associates organization we have worked to streamline our efforts and develop products that are designed from the ground up to meet your business needs. As part of this effort, we have decided to make some business decisions that will deliver greater value to your organization. Moving forward, Network Associates will integrate several of its security products into the McAfee and Sniffer business units. This integration will allow us to better meet your complex security needs, help you drive security more deeply into your corporate infrastructure, and extend security into your strategic business applications. Specifically: PGP VPN, PGPfire (Distributed Firewall), and the PGP E-Business Server will be integrated into the McAfee business unit. The CyberCop vulnerability assessment tool continues to be available as a stand-alone product. The technology will also be integrated into the McAfee and Sniffer families of products to enhance and extend the security of corporate systems and networks. We have decided that the best way to move forward with the PGP Desktop encryption and Gauntlet firewall product lines is to continue to maintain and support our existing customers around the world while looking for a buyer for those technologies. We are committed to ensuring that your experience is largely unaffected by this change, and believe this will bring you greater value with more advanced and secure technology. If you have any questions regarding these changes we have set up a special phone number, (972) 619-7800 which will be available from 6:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. Pacific Time, from today on. Our main focus remains on providing you with the security and network availability solutions you need and look forward to helping you continue to grow your business. Best Regards, George Samenuk Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Network Associates, Inc. ******************************************************** ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Malls On Halloween
by D B 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

Hi all. Long time listener, 2nd time poster. My wife received this, and some of you on this list seem to be very talented at chasing down hoaxes. I am not so. For some reason, the formatting looks out of place in parts. Anyway, this is how she received it, but I have omitted all of the people it has been sent to. Other than that, it's verbatim. I haven't called the number yet as I just got it, and I assume it's the lady's work number. Dan >From: "Bogdan, Amy" <Bogdan.Amy(a)broadband.att.com> >Subject: FW: malls on Halloween >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:19:39 -0600 > > > > > QUOTE: > > Hi All - > > > > I think you all know that I don't send out hoaxes and don't do the >reactionary thing and send out anything that crosses my path. This one, >however, is a friend of a friend and I've given it enough credibility in my > >mind that I'm writing it up and sending it out to all of you. My friend's >friend was dating a guy from Afghanistan up until a month ago. She had a >date with him around 9/6 and was stood up. She was understandably upset and > >went to his home to find it completely emptied. On 9/10, she received a >letter from her boyfriend explaining that he wished he could tell her why >he >had left and that he was sorry it had to be like that. The part worth >mentioning is that he BEGGED her not to get on any commercial airlines on >9/11 and to not to go any malls on Halloween. As soon as everything >happened >on the 11th, she called the FBI and has since turned over the letter. This >is not an email that I've received and decided to pass on. This came from a > >phone conversation with a long-time friend of mine last night. I may be >wrong, and I hope I am. However, with one of his warnings being correct and > >devastating, I'm not willing to take the chance on the second and wanted to > >make sure that people I cared about had the same information that I did. > > > > Laura Katsis > > Implementation Specialist > > 714/921-5424 > > lkatsis(a)volt.com > > OpsVolt_Track(a)volt.com Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

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self medication; Why go to fliight school?
by Tabla bin Rasa 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

CBS news: alcohol consumption up 30% in NY bars. Observation: The latest in patented sleep aids (Ambien, a C-IV ie abusable) is advertising heavily about getting back to getting enough sleep. Complete with images of puppies sleeping in baskets. And Pres Bush is shaking down US children for a buck. Good thing those golden triangle opiates are getting cheaper. Heard of a van that is loaded with weapons packed up and ready to go Heard of some gravesites, out by the highway a place where nobody knows The sound of gunfire, off in the distance I'm getting used to it now Lived in a brownstone, lived in the ghetto I've lived all over this town This ain't no party, this ain't no disco this ain't no fooling around No time for dancing, or lovey dovey I ain't got time for that now Transmit the message, to the receiver hope for an answer some day I got three passports, couple of visas don't even know my real name High on a hillside, trucks are loading everything's ready to roll I sleep in the daytime, I work in the nightime I might not ever get home This ain't no party, this ain't no disco this ain't no fooling around This ain't no mudd club, or C. B. G. B. I ain't got time for that now Heard about Houston? Heard about Detroit? Heard about Pittsburgh, P. A.? You oughta know not to stand by the window somebody might see you up there I got some groceries, some peanut butter to last a couple of days But I ain't got no speakers ain't got no headphones ain't got no records to play Why stay in college? Why go to fliight school? Gonna be different this time? Can't write a letter, can't send a postcard I can't write nothing at all This ain't no party, this ain't no disco this ain't no fooling around I'd love you hold you, I'd like to kiss you I ain't got no time for that now Trouble in transit, got through the roadblock we blended in with the crowd We got computers, we're tapping phone lines I know that ain't allowed We dress like students, we dress like housewives or in a suit and a tie I changed my hairstyle so many times now don't know what I look like! You make me shiver, I feel so tender we make a pretty good team Don't get exhausted, I'll do some driving you ought to get you some sleep Get you instructions, follow directions then you should change your address Maybe tomorrow, maybe the next day whatever you think is best Burned all my notebooks, what good are notebooks? They won't help me survive My chest is aching, burns like a furnace the burning keeps me alive Try to stay healthy, physical fitness don't want to catch no disease Try to be careful, don't take no chances you better watch what you say

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CAREER/JOB OPPORTUNITY--E-COMMERCE
by JOB RESPONSE 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

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Tracking the RIAA Source
by John Young 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

Thanks to help from a person here we have developed a likely source for the RIAA meeting messages, and at the moment it appears likely Safeweb was used to send the messages as well as check on the Cryptome file. Safeweb appears to dynamically assign addresses to users, though within a limited range which might be set by the location of the user, but we are not sure of that. Indeed, if Safeweb does not cloak location by avoiding a predictable range that would be a serious weakness. But we need to test that. Safeweb is, at least in part, hosted by the giant ISP Abovenet, home-based in San Jose, CA, with facilities all around the US and overseas. To help us triangulate a likely location from which the messages were sent we need to log accesses to Cryptome from a variety of US and overseas locations. For example I get the same range of addresses as those of the RIAA messages and file accesses by logging in from New York City to Safeweb.com then using Safeweb to request a Cryptome file. What I don't know is whether those same addresses would be used from other physical locations around the world. For anybody who wants to risk giving away their own location I ask that accesses be made from the Safeweb.com from any location in the world to a fictitious file on Cryptome: http://cryptome.org/this-is-safeweb-xxxxxxxx.htm Replace xxxxxxx with a clue to your location, say, texas, germany, whereever I could identify. The request will generate an error code and an originating address from Safeweb which I can use to compare to what I've got for the RIAA messages and for NYC. Presumably Safeweb will cloak your actual IP address. Let me emphasize that I do not yet believe the source was perpetrating a hoax, or if so whether the hoax was run to benefit RIAA which is the current outcome. My intention is not to out the source if the leak is legitimate, but I damn well want to broadcast it if RIAA, its friends or a TLA cooked up the ruse. Declan has jumped the gun on assigning blame here, apparently doing little more checking than Tony Smith. But hell that snotty Net competition at its best: fire, aim, oh, the safety was off.

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