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Loyalty Day
by Adam Shostack 05 May '03

05 May '03

Please register to participate. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-26.html -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy
by Tyler Durden 05 May '03

05 May '03

>In the case of printing, the result over the following century or two was a >rise in literacy rates (in the common languages, and this is when German, >French, and English, for example, largely solidified into their current >forms, viz. the Luther Bible, the King James Version, etc.). And the >Protestant Reformation was built on printed words and on the people's >ability to directly read the religious texts. > >A technology undermined the state and the church. This is why I still bother reading Tim May's posts. Every now and then he comes up with a good one. In response to this I'd point out that it would have been easy (and wrong) to say that, "The Printing Press, The telescope, town clocks and Protestantism will reduce the power of the church to the point where it will collapse." (Actually, many educated catholics probably thought this at the time.) And although the Catholic church did lose power on many fronts, it by no means dissappeared. (You could almost say it propered, but probably by virtue of the fact that it might be the single largest real estate dealer in the world.) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy
by Tyler Durden 05 May '03

05 May '03

>In the case of printing, the result over the following century or two was a >rise in literacy rates (in the common languages, and this is when German, >French, and English, for example, largely solidified into their current >forms, viz. the Luther Bible, the King James Version, etc.). And the >Protestant Reformation was built on printed words and on the people's >ability to directly read the religious texts. > >A technology undermined the state and the church. This is why I still bother reading Tim May's posts. Every now and then he comes up with a good one. In response to this I'd point out that it would have been easy (and wrong) to say that, "The Printing Press, The telescope, town clocks and Protestantism will reduce the power of the church to the point where it will collapse." (Actually, many educated catholics probably thought this at the time.) And although the Catholic church did lose power on many fronts, it by no means dissappeared. (You could almost say it propered, but probably by virtue of the fact that it might be the single largest real estate dealer in the world.) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: Capitalism and economic struggles
by Vincent Penquerc'h 05 May '03

05 May '03

> What part of "Don't impose your ideals on others" do you not > understand? > > Yes, someone may chose to smoke at a time which is convenient > for you, but > why should you be able to dictate that to someone else? Mind your own > fucking business - even if it's just hypothetical. I kind of agree, to a point, but then you (and others) do the same with imposing your own ideals to others, don't you ? As long as people interact, they'll have to impose stuff to others. I'm imposing my ideals (in this case, forbidding to smoke to people who want to) ? You do yours (annoying people who don't like smoke, because you want to smoke). I don't usually annoy smokers when they do. If I'm annoyed by it, I just move. Unless I can't, that is. But you just act as if *your* ideals were *obviously* the right ones. I reject that idea. They might, and they sure are popular here. But you do impose them all the same. -- Vincent Penquerc'h

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RE: whitehouse.gov taken over? Cheese-eating surrender monkeys.. .
by Trei, Peter 05 May '03

05 May '03

> Bill Stewart[SMTP:bill.stewart@pobox.com] > > > At 09:28 PM 05/03/2003 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: > >On Sat, 3 May 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > > > At 07:15 PM 5/3/03 -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: > > > >Please register to participate. > > > >http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-26.html > > > Please tell me someone played a DNS game. > >Not at all: this is to be expected after the three minute hate... > > Oh, right, who's today's target? Are we still practicing hating Saddam, > or is it Bashar al-Assad this week, or the French? > > Tim and Peter have been discussing the origins of > "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys" and the general hatred of the Frogs, > but I've got to disagree with Tim's assertion that it's been going on > for a long time. Sure, there's been some low-level dislike, > and Jay Leno's always made fun of their liking for Jerry Lewis, > and Parisians have a reputation for being as rude as New Yorkers, > but it seemed like there was such as rush of anti-French surrender jokes > and anti-French political commentary that it's more than just coincidence; > it seemed like the meme was being pushed hard and fast by somebody. > > Perhaps the meme was just sitting around from DeGaulle's time, > waiting to be triggered by France's lack of participation in US > Unilateralism > and unwillingness to join the COW coalition this time. > But it didn't seem that way. > American distaste for the French was not very strong till recently; but goes back a long way. The "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys" line goes back to 1995, as I showed - even then it was uncontroversial. As long as I can remember, there has been a love-hate relationship. This is based on the notion, held by many French and some Americans, that France has a superior, more sophisticated culture than the US. Some Americans just accept this, others see vast pretentiousness. Examples: "An American in Paris" (1951) - uncritical acceptance. "Funny Face" (1957) - Young Audrey Hepburn accepts until Flostre's real intentions towards her become all too obvious. Mark Twain had a LOT to say about the French - check http://www.twainquotes.com/French.html For an interesting essay on the evolution of European attitudes towards the US, try: THE UNLOVED AMERICAN by SIMON SCHAMA Two centuries of alienating Europe. > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030310fa_fact > Peter Trei

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delusional US quarantines, Denver bioattack, sim
by Major Variola (ret) 05 May '03

05 May '03

The unfolding situation precipitated a series of increasingly stringent containment measures. By the end of the first day, the Expert Committee issued a travel advisory restricting travel in 16 Denver Metro counties. But, one person noted, "the public was not [heeding] the voluntary travel advisory." Some people, in fact, were reported to be racing out of the state. As part of the travel advisory, persons were advised to stay home unless they were close contacts of diagnosed cases or were feeling sick, in which case they were directed to seek medical care. As one observer noted: "They told 1 million people to stay in their homes. How would we have enforced this?" When asked what would be possible if the situation actually required it, the police and National Guard responded to the Expert Committee that they would be unable to keep people at home. Another participant commented that by the end of the exercise, "people had been asked to stay in their homes for 72 hours...How were they were supposed to get food or medicine?" "With borders closed, how were we planning to feed 4 million people?...Many of the control measures ordered were delusional." http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/pages/news/quarter2_2.html

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Congresscritters get SARS briefing
by Declan McCullagh 05 May '03

05 May '03

In preparation for the hearing beginning at 2:00 p.m. on May 7, 2003, the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations will hold a Member Briefing on SARS at 1:30 p.m. in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building. Dr. David L. Heymann, Executive Director, Communicable Diseases, World Health Organization (WHO), will brief Members via videoconference hookup from Geneva, Switzerland. This even event will be open to the public and webcast live. For the latest information, please visit http://energycommerce.house.gov/108/markups/05072003Markup919.htm

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mil-style intrusion sensors in city parks
by Major Variola (ret) 05 May '03

05 May '03

'Smart Park' Is Keeping Watch Surveillance cameras, infrared sensors and other high-tech gadgets help monitor facilities. To civic planners in Glendale, Palmer Park has everything a recreation area needs kiddie swings, walking trails and infrared sensors concealed in the shrubbery. If someone scales the fence after the park closes at 10 p.m., more than a dozen electronic sentries whirl into action. One foot on the manicured lawn triggers the sprinklers, while the sensors set off alarms at the park rangers' headquarters. <snip> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-parks5may05,1,2646721.story?coll=la… Of course, tripping the sensors without going inside the park would be entertaining...

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[eff-austin] [Fwd: [aclulegteam] Re: Biometrics ID bill hearing on Thursday] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 05 May '03

05 May '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:25:52 -0500 From: Adina Levin <alevin(a)alevin.com> To: Leaders <leaders(a)effaustin.org>, eff-austin(a)effaustin.org, shenson(a)austin.rr.com Subject: [eff-austin] [Fwd: [aclulegteam] Re: Biometrics ID bill hearing on Thursday] EFF team -- here's a copy of the ACLU fact sheet, and advice from the ACLU's Scott Henson. Call or visit committee members to oppose this experiment in unproven technology and privacy violation. Committee members' offices and phone numbers are listed below. "Worse, SB 945 would expand DPSs use of this information from drivers license authentification to any purpose requiring identity authentification. Other government agencies could do the same thing if they entered into interagency agreements with DPS." I'll submit this to Slashdot. Any other press attention would be useful. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [aclulegteam] Re: Biometrics ID bill hearing on Thursday Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:08:23 -0500 From: Scott Henson <shenson(a)austin.rr.com> To: <alevin(a)alevin.com> CC: <aclulegteam(a)yahoogroups.com> References: <3EB57F1E.5070106(a)alevin.com> Adina Any and all groups or individuals who are interested in opposing SB 945 requiring DPS to collect biometric information about every Texas driver should express their opposition not only at the hearing Thursday May 8 at 8 a.m., room E1.020, but if possible should also contact members before and after the hearing to express their opposition. Because we 'missed' opposing this bill in the Senate, we need to gin up as much public opposition to this thing as possible, ASAP. Any media work or other outside game stuff folks want to do is appropriate and would be appreciated. So call out the troops on this one to the extent you can. Find attached a fact sheet I'm turning into an ACLU action alert. Here's the committee members in Defense Affairs: Corte, Frank (R) - CHAIR 4N.06, 463-0646 Campbell, Scott (R) - VICE CHAIR E2.820, 463-0331 Berman, Leo (R) - CBO E2.908, 463-0584 Delisi, Dianne White (R) GW.16, 463-0630 Seaman, Gene (R) E2.406, 463-0672 Mabry, John (D) E2.416, 463-0135 Merritt, Tommy (R) E1.302, 463-0750 Moreno, Paul (D) 1W.09, 463-0638 Noriega, Rick (D) E2.718, 463-0732 Thanks, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adina Levin" <alevin(a)alevin.com> To: "Leaders" <leaders(a)effaustin.org>; <eff-austin(a)effaustin.org>; <shenson(a)austin.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: Biometrics ID bill hearing on Thursday > SB945 sponsored by Ogden is being heard in the Defense Affairs and > State-Federal Relations > <http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/db2www/tlo/committees/legislation.d2 w/report?LEG=78&SESS=R&CMTECODE=C305&CTYPE=House> > Committee on Thurday. > The bill enables the use of facial, thumb, fingerprints, and other > biometric identifiers for *a broad range of state purposes to > authenticate identity.* > > Several people on this list have professional experience with the > reliability issues with biometric ID. > > ** The legislators don't understand the technology. If you have relevant > information, please let legislators know. ** > > If you'd like to testify or communicate your expertise to the committee > members, please contact Scott Henson at ACLU-TX, shenson(a)austin.rr.com, > who will let you know who's most effective to talk to. > > Or fax a letter to committee members. > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/59cplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: aclulegteam-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/MSWORD which had a NAME of Oppose SB 945.doc]

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whitehouse.gov taken over?
by Major Variola (ret) 05 May '03

05 May '03

At 07:15 PM 5/3/03 -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: >Please register to participate. > >http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-26.html > Please tell me someone played a DNS game.

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