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Re: Why are there so many statists and communists here on this list n
by Tyler Durden 07 May '03

07 May '03

"Only those of us protected by the shield of anonymity have the freedom to criticize this vile and hateful man." Nah. Remember, May's got a big mouth, but I doubt he's ever killed anybody. Hell, I bet he's never even gotten into a real fight (which is probably why he mouths off so much about violence). Speech is speech. I'll worry about May when he actually tries to bring the "hoped for" nuke into downtown DC. Until then, he's a "sleeper cell". -TD >From: Nomen Nescio <nobody(a)dizum.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: Why are there so many statists and communists here on this >list n >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:10:01 +0200 (CEST) > >Andy Lopata writes: > > > I subscribe to this list for a number of reasons. One of them is >because of > > the potential crypto has for destabilizing capitalist/monopolist and >state > > control over information and expression (e.g. Freenet). > >Excellent point. Few participants here understand that private attempts >to suppress freedom of speech are just as surely defeated by crypto as >government efforts. > >Remember when Tim May a few days ago suggested that newspaper editors who >printed false stories should be tortured and killed? > > > But the journalist and his editors are still alive. > > When they have been necklaced and lit, we can rest easier. > >("Necklacing" refers to the practice, common in South Africa during the >turbulent years fighting apartheid, of putting an automobile tire around >an opponent's neck, cutting his tongue and throat so that it hung down >like a neck tie, and lighting the tire on fire. Tim May endorses this >form of torture.) > >Cryptography can free publishers from intimidation by the likes of >May just as much as it protects them from coercion by the government. >Tim May and other hate-filled thugs will not be able to use threats of >violence to prevent unpopular voices from being heard. > >The mere fact that no one complains about language like this from May, >in a forum which supposedly fights for freedom of speech, is prima facie >evidence of the chilling effect of his violent language. Only those of >us protected by the shield of anonymity have the freedom to criticize >this vile and hateful man. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: Underestimating long-term consequences of cryptoanarchy
by Tyler Durden 07 May '03

07 May '03

Kevin S. vanHorn wrote... >>Likewise with governments. I still need my trash taken out, and for >>potholes to be fixed. > > >What makes you think government is needed at all for these? My trash is >taken out by a private company, not by any government. And privately built >and maintained roads have existed for a very long time. Of course. But you've got to read further into my post to see the point. I'm thinking that in the future, some aspects of government might be competitive with the private sector to obtain public $$$, much like the US mail now competes with UPS and FedEx. Like in Stephenson's Snow Crash, many functions might be opt-in, including possibly war.... For instance, imagine where budget items are voted on directly, and regularly by voters. Would IraqII have occurred? (I bet not.) (My Jazz musician brother has suggested that "you should be able to vote any elected official directly into jail, no questions asked".) But my point is that heavy crypto will probably have unforseeable effects on the notion of the state, probably not wipe it out. -TD _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Press Conduct
by J.A. Terranson 07 May '03

07 May '03

Reference: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/03/smart.inquirer.ap/index.html SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- Two reporters fired for working with the National Enquirer on an Elizabeth Smart story revealed their law enforcement sources to avoid legal action against them by the Smart family. Leaving aside the fact that the story and all of the components were patently false, I am interested in the opionions of the few press-persons we have here on the actions of the reporters. As a press person, are there any conditions under which you would reveal confidential sources? If so, under what conditions would you do so? If not, do you have any observations/comments/yawns you would like to share on the instant case? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org

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RPG vs. UN/US
by Major Variola (ret) 06 May '03

06 May '03

At 07:51 PM 5/6/03 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >The UN were also sent packing. The UN, weren't they a wholly-owned subsidiary of the USG until the french flew a jet into that building? Fortunately it was held together by all the wires linking the bugs in the walls..

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Re: Why are there so many statists and communists here on this list
by Major Variola (ret) 06 May '03

06 May '03

At 10:55 AM 5/6/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > >Speech is speech. I'll worry about May when he actually tries to bring the >"hoped for" nuke into downtown DC. Until then, he's a "sleeper cell". Tyler, we'll excuse you for your relative newness. We are *all* sleeper cells. Its an obligation. Quoth the bubblehead: You're either with us, or against us (tm). --- "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." -- Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged" "The great object is that every man be armed and everyone who is able may have a gun." --Patrick Henry

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seeking Eric Hughes (fwd)
by Jim Choate 06 May '03

06 May '03

YMMV.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:52:36 -0400 From: Susan Schearer <sscheare(a)ntelos.net> To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: seeking Eric Hughes I am trying to locate the Eric Hughes who was a Latin student of Maureen O'Donnell in Fairfax VA in the late 1970s. He often called himself "Izbad." If you are he, or if you know how to contact him, please reply to this message. Susan Schearer, Handley High School (retired), Winchester, VA

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Re: RIAA legal attacks on students
by Major Variola (ret) 06 May '03

06 May '03

At 09:54 PM 5/6/03 +0100, Adam Back wrote: >Here's some more detail about the RIAA legal attacks on four students >recently: > >In fact it turns out that he was just running a search engine that >indexed any files available on windows shares on the local network. >You could search for any type of file; as you might expect some of the >files users searched for and downloaded were mp3 files. Dr Dobb's Journal once published *source code* for such a MS-share search tool. Accessories to a federal felony, no doubt.

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Re: Capitalism and monopolism: "Obvious" it ain't.
by Tyler Durden 06 May '03

06 May '03

James Donald wrote... "Despite the fact that the trend has been in the other direction for the past two hundred years, despite the fact that what Marx wrote was obviously false then, and has become more obviously false in the 150 years since he wrote, Marxists repeat Marx's prophecies with the more confidence, the more obviously the facts contradict them." A lot of people living in the US make this kind of mistake. Actually, developed nations make up a minority of the world's population (though with China and India this may change wihtin our lifetimes). When one considers the abverage living standard for the entire world its been debated that it may actually be going down. I'd argue that in some ways the real standard of living in the US has certainly gone down since the 1950s. Although technology has made things more affordable, the numbers of hours per week has increased steadily since the 1970s, and the number of homes where both parents must work has increased greatly. So "obvious" it ain't. (However, if China and India's standard of living continue to increase, within our lifetimes I think its quite clear that the world's standard of living will certainly be higher, on average, than its ever been.) -TD >From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: Capitalism and monopolism >Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:57:27 -0700 > > -- >On 3 May 2003 at 21:03, Andy Lopata wrote: > > Simply put, markets lead to consolidation. > >So said Marx. He also said that markets would make the workers >poorer and poorer. > >Despite the fact that the trend has been in the other direction >for the past two hundred years, despite the fact that what Marx >wrote was obviously false then, and has become more obviously >false in the 150 years since he wrote, Marxists repeat Marx's >prophecies with the more confidence, the more obviously the >facts contradict them. > > --digsig > James A. Donald > 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG > Ic1xAeCT1HkM0xATi9N8p+jTR40FPoz4Ej6T5Oep > 4hL/SG1g6h/sdIbk/IJWPDxc3E/XmQj/f3wE3EYS1 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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re: Some CA elected officials need killing
by barabbus＠hushmail.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

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Re: Hippies Banning Crysotile
by Tyler Durden 06 May '03

06 May '03

"Yes, unnoticeable exposures to blue asbestos does cause harm in a witchcraft like manner -- but while very few people have been exposed to blue asbestos, almost all jury awards are based on witchcraft like harm, where the person is harmed by some imperceptible magical agent that is impossible to notice." I think you're overstating things here. The Manville settlements (which forced Manville into Ch13, as I remember) were jury awarded and to date comprise the lion's share of settlement $$$. And in those cases the harm was no exactly witchcraft-like: only a a few (literally 3 or 4) of the miners were left alive to collect. The rest had died of asbestosis. As for abating the NYC public schools, that was a giant boondoggle that benefited many corrupt parties in NYC (I could go into great detail, but that would make it too easy to locate me in meatspace). A funy story...this guy I went to HS with got fired from the NYC School Construction authority for going to his bosses and demanding a piece of the action! (This guy was and is a famous eccentric.) So to some extent I agree, but the "witchcraft" doesn't have a basis in reality. Call it a "tag-along" boondoggle if you want. -TD >From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Re: Hippies Banning Crysotile >Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:57:27 -0700 > > -- >James A. Donald: > > >In reality, if someone is exposed to enough asbestos to be a > > >problem, he is painfully aware of it. Only a minuscule > > >minority among those now receiving stupendous awards were > > >exposed to that level of asbestos. > >On 3 May 2003 at 21:49, Tyler Durden wrote: > > Not really. This party line is equally hot air. Basically, > > there are two main modes of asbestos related disease: > > asbestosis and melothemeoma > > But almost none of the money currently being awarded is going >to people with absestosis or mesothelioma. It is almost all >going to people with "asbestos-related pleural and pulmonary >disease" -- a fictitious medical category that includes any >deviation from perfect health in any part of any person's >breathing system. > > > The form of asbestos most closely associated with this is > > crocidilyte, which is needle-like and a beautiful dark blue > > in color. That form of asbestos can cause cancer even in very > > low exposures. > >Yes, unnoticeable exposures to blue asbestos does cause harm in >a witchcraft like manner -- but while very few people have been >exposed to blue asbestos, almost all jury awards are based on >witchcraft like harm, where the person is harmed by some >imperceptible magical agent that is impossible to notice. > > --digsig > James A. Donald > 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG > qqEdCNdKpP0eW/wImgFKX4aggGjKBoltAHX90h3y > 4A9O47A6pAry1m2qjcdaggEVqtn5UKXBbfoHzRZGj _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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