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[Meeting at Tim's house participant] Who wanted the AT&T UNIX for 8086/80286 ?
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Would the person who expressed interest in my collection of genuine AT&T UNIX for the AT&T 6300 (an 8086) and 6300 Plus (an 80286) complete with several shelf feet hard cover doccumentation as well as the developer kit please get in touch with me? As for the rest of you: you may stop laughing now ;-) - -- - -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMFeqlyoZzwIn1bdtAQEkswF/dxu8jYNFjLVRK+3SbNy9ee2fc4xzsro6 elH7VHUX85Y/23EQmL0wBoVkAyqHKk0Z =uYSW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Need ideas. NFP to monitor law enforcement on the net.
by goedel＠tezcat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dear cpunks, after reading several articles about government sting operations in the US and Bavaria, I'm thinking of starting a not for profit to collect and diseminate information on law enforcement on the net. I know how to register a NFP Corp, and certainly know about mailing lists and web pages, but other problems still remain to be solved. Specifically: 1) Is it better to be a national or state registered NFP? (Given the level of LEA hassling I might experience.) 2) What if I start a mailing list and nobody shows up? Whose participation should I ensure so that the effort is a success. 3) What are some good sources of information for LEA's on the net? Any suggestions would be most welcome. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBgAwUBMFe6MnIf3YegbdiBAQHmeAJYz4bKtqPJvcdyUxcuVEOVgAYNO3sRuUzW lnYnq7o2qBMcePAW8xTVECmwt8DXTbutSTJC10DBHdyjDGdgdwwN3ne0mCWN7Pig uDUk =W0pp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Dietrich J. Kappe | Red Planet http://www.redweb.com/ Red Planet, L.L.C.| "Chess Space" /chess 1-800-RED 0 WEB | "MS Access Products" /cobre Web Publishing | PGP Public Key /goedel/key.txt

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(NOISE) Re: White House M
by damion.furi＠the-matrix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

|> Maybe so, but we don't have to like it. And I don't. But |> it's not so much their access, per se, that I object to. F|Why the hell do you care ? Someone has a home page for something on the Web. |Someone at the White House looks at it. So what ? You object to the fact |that somebody in the government has a Web browser and *gasp* uses it to read |stuff on the WWW ??? What did I just write? It's not so much their access... |> It's their potential intentions, F|You take moral offense to what you think someone else _might_ be thinking ? Not normally, no. But I've found a number of reasons to take offense at more overt government actions, and I see no reason not to take offense at obscure government actions. Especially when it involves spooks (NSA, DOD, military branch agencies, CIA, FBI, DEA, alphabet soup agency of choice). |Sounds like you believe in thoughtcrime. Banned any good books lately ? I _DO_ believe in thoughtcrime. I think it's a goddamned crime when some dickhead with more power than sense attempts to limit the actions of private citizens, in complete disregard for the idea of "presumed innocent until proven guilty." If someone so much as THINKS this, I have a problem with them. Now, go fuck yourself. F|> all things considered, and |> the fact that they aren't at all open about such monitoring. F|This is absurd. You expect the White House to issue a press release every tim |a staffer clicks on a URL ? No. I want to know what they're monitoring on a general basis and why. It's my tax money, too. But they aren't open about the monitoring. Half the time they deny doing it at all, and the rest of the time they come up with a few dozen specious excuses. furi(a)the-matrix.com pgp-public-key(a)demon.co.uk C1225CE1 RADical 1 Systems - Multi-Platform Custom Programming, Service, & Support

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Re: An opportunity not to be missed
by Frank Stuart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>It has occurred to me with the approach of the presidential campaign >in the US (and its attendant press frenzy), that there is an an >unprecedentedly vast opportunity to bring certain items on the >cypherpunk platform into the public spotlight. [...] > Candidate Posturing Required Spin > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Pro-business, tough on crime anonymous crime tip e-mail > a la Fed whistleblower stuff, > and the SPA [...] Now that you mention it, it seems to me that completely anonymous tipsters with the ability to receive ecash rewards would likely be a bigger boon to law enforcement types than would easily tappable communications lines. Is anyone in a position to set up a cypherpunks CrimeStoppers mailbox (for use through the remailers)? You could set up a web-page with instructions and a list of crimes for which there are rewards. Perhaps some civic organiztions would be willing to donate money for tips leading to arrests and convictions of any crimes. Even if it doesn't catch any bad guys, it'd be great PR for strong crypto, anonymity, ecash and whoever runs it. | (Douglas) Hofstadter's Law: Frank Stuart | It always takes longer than you expect, even fstuart(a)vetmed.auburn.edu | when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

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WAS_tem
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-14-95. NYPaper. "Use of Computer Network For Child Sex Sets Off Raids." The Justice Department today announced a dozen arrests in a two year investigation into the use of America Online, the country's largest computer network, to distribute child pornography and to lure minors into sex. The culmination of the inquiry by the Federal Bureau of Investigation comes at a time when the agency has needed some favorable attention to offset a string of incidents that have cast it in a negative light. "Scientologists Lose a Battle on the Internet." Upholding free speech on the Internet, a Federal judge has ordered the Church of Scientology to return computers and files seized here last month from two men who used a computer bulletin board to disseminate information critical of the church. The equipment belongs to Factnet, an anti-Scientology bulletin board run by two Boulder men, Lawrence Wollersheim and Robert Penny. 2x: WAS_tem (16 kb)

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Re: WAS_tem
by Rev. Ben 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > The New York Times, September 14, 1995, pp. A1, B14. > > Use of Computer Network For Child Sex Sets Off Raids [snip] > Lawmakers have debated whether to restrict the use of > computer networks. Today, a bill making it illegal to use > computers to produce child pornography was introduced by > Senator Orrin G. Hatch, the Utah Republican who heads the > Judiciary Committee. > > The bill would expand the definition of child pornography > to include any photograph, film, videotape or computer > image produced by any means, including electronically by > computer, if it depicts or appears to depict a minor > engaging in sexually explicit conduct. If I'm reading this correctly, if I Photoshop a kids face onto the body of the latest Playboy centerfold, I'm in violation of this proposed law? Ben ____ Ben Samman..............................................samman(a)cs.yale.edu I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers.-- K. Gibran. SUPPORT THE PHIL ZIMMERMANN LEGAL DEFENSE FUND! For information Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf PGP encrypted mail welcomed--finger samman(a)cs.yale.edu for public key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Auto-signed with Bryce's Auto-PGP v1.0beta3 iQB1AwUBMFg+8L5ALmeTVXAJAQEJswL+KijGeD+NIxOEdGkusWl/l8kLpigd73r1 JxoOeo1Sv9jc8JEv89SQDt2xY5i9WhquARph/+N2d7m2FR1DvRnLlHtuvjsV7hjS mOwurpzx6wHfmJnivojJUqwfTrqxT5gG =bUJU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Scientology tries to break PGP - and
by trollins＠hns.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This area of court ordered key disclosure is troubling. I assume that failure to do so would be punished by "contempt of court" much like a reporter that refuses to reveal his information sources. (Jail or Fine until the person complies with the order). If you have PGP encrypted messages on your disk which are encrypted to other people. Is this a libality ? Normally, you have no way to decrypt this data. After looking at a PGP 'Hack' which allows the message to be encrypted with a session key different from the session key encrypted in the RSA header using someones public key. Your data could thus be encrypted in a PGP message to someone without using the session key specified in that RSA header. This someone else may or may not exist. You may have created a key pair and discarded the secret key. It would then seem that you could be found in "Contempt of Court" because you could not come forward with a private key belonging to someone other than yourself. -tom

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Re: Digital Fingerprinting
by patrick＠Verity.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> > To: Patrick Horgan <patrick(a)Verity.COM> > > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Patrick Horgan wrote: > > > > > > > > Then, in W.Ky., as in Stockbridge, "You can get > > > > anything you want..."? :) > > > > > > I'd stick with: > > > *********************************************** > > > You can't always get what you want 1 > > > but if you try > > > sometimes, sometimes you get what you need. 2 > > > *********************************************** > > > > > > 1 ability to dump garbage where you want > > > 2 a better appreciation for the environment > > > :-) > > > > > > Why do I feel like I'm sitting on the group W bench? > > I don't know, kid, what you in for? > Encryption. And they all moved away from me on the group W bench there, talking mean hairy eyeballs and all sorts of things until I said, and annoying the NSA, and they all moved back, talking about crime, PEM, PGP, and liberty and justice for all;) Patrick _______________________________________________________________________ / These opinions are mine, and not Verity's (except by coincidence;). \ | (\ | | Patrick J. Horgan Verity Inc. \\ Have | | patrick(a)verity.com 1550 Plymouth Street \\ _ Sword | | Phone : (415)960-7600 Mountain View \\/ Will | | FAX : (415)960-7750 California 94303 _/\\ Travel | \___________________________________________________________\)__________/

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Re: WAS_tem
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> The bill would expand the definition of child pornography >> to include any [...] >> image produced by any means, including electronically by >> computer, if it depicts or appears to depict a minor >> engaging in sexually explicit conduct. At 10:40 AM 9/14/95 -0400, Rev. Ben wrote: >If I'm reading this correctly, if I Photoshop a kids face onto the body >of the latest Playboy centerfold, I'm in violation of this proposed law? If you draw a picture using paintbrush of an underage person engaging in sexual conduct, you are in violation of this proposed legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: WAS_tem
by Rev. Ben 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, James A. Donald wrote: > If you draw a picture using paintbrush of an underage person engaging > in sexual conduct, you are in violation of this proposed legislation. Doesn't that directly contradict the stated purpose of existing child porn regulation? That is, doesn't current statute exist in order to prevent the exploitation of children, not to mandate morality? Do the lawyers on the list want to pipe up? Ben. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Auto-signed with Bryce's Auto-PGP v1.0beta3 iQB1AwUBMFhKCL5ALmeTVXAJAQG+eAMAstVn+sOOQkEI8ri6/jroSAwA8oCU5Fzu qRQfeOCnWJxqEeCE75orzaXIJFTIG3+qWdbKlsYNqS5MglPfI70Iw0Iw3VEtbHRB YZ595Aj6WXbBr3Z9SyR0mOCgN1twu2ds =+t1l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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