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Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How about a cypherpunks group activity for the SF area? 2 per car, one to drive, and one to moon.... Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: geeman, cypherpunks cc: From: shamrock @ netcom.com (Lucky Green) @ smtp Date: 08/08/96 10:45:06 PM Subject: Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed. At 21:55 8/8/96, i am not a number! wrote: >CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake >retrofit blah blah. > >How? Their license plates have been photographed. >... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next >story..... You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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cybergangs?
by S Zaid Hassan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay, so this is a bit Gibsonish but after reading that piece on cybergangs and some of the ecash issues what I wanna know is this: There are no laws in cyberspace right? No one to enforce them as such shall we say? What happens if a group of hackers/crackers/cypherpunks set up shop and started offering their services to the highest bidder? Let's say that the US Government bans strong crypto and attempts to enforce is using the many, conventional, means at its disposal... what happens if the cypherpunks group raises the money to pay a group or individual to hack/destroy/grind to a halt milnet? Or some such government network? Or all of them? How come this hasn't happened yet? Okay maybe not at such a grand scale, but ya know? Hey it's just an idea, Zaid "The wave is already gathering; one day it will wash us away." - Hermann Hesse

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:24 AM 8/9/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >It might be fun to make the database open for a couple weeks, without a >caveat about logging, and then publish the logs. Allow reverse lookups, >i.e., who looked up my record. A nice little dragnet of people who are >interested in invading your privacy. This is impractical for one reason. In most cases it will show the address of the service provider, but will report nothing beyond that. You will just see which IP address you were assigned when you logged on. The logs would be true is some sense, flase in some sense and meaningless in most sense. >For the near-medium term, I am resigned to the fact that government is going >to collect personal information, and that it is going to leak out. I'm just >interested in full disclosure of the leaks, and who is benefiting from them. This brings up an interesting point. Is it poosible to obtain the list of all the individuals/corporations that have purchaced the list of DMV information and post *THAT* information to the net. I think that people would be surprised just who uses that information and for what... --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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Re: Massively parallel carbon-unit-based voice pattern matching
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:54 PM 8/9/96, Ernest Hua wrote: >Also, the FBI, no doubt, has voice analysis systems much more >capable of detecting subtleties. 100,000 enthusiastic people But the FBI presumably has no data base of voices to compare the voice on the 911 tape to! They can have the most sophisticated voice analysis system in the world and it useless, except in comparing the voice to previously-recorded samples. (This is presumably how the NSA's capabilities are used, as they have the voice patterns of Boris Yeltsin, Yassir Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Bob Dole and other previously-recorded voices. Plus, they can use COMINT at will outside the U.S. (and maybe in the U.S....) and can acquire new voice patterns for their libraries.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Another thing the Net is being blamed for...
by Deana Holmes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yet another thing that we're being blamed for. FYI, the temple ceremony has been reproduced many times since it was first exposed in the 1840s. The most recent revision (1990) was kept secret for only a short time before notorious former members got ahold of a tape and transcript of the ceremony. (I have a good idea of how they got it.) As far as I can tell, it didn't actually make it on to the Net until about 1994. This particular Mormon churchman (Russell Ballard) gave a speech a year or so ago warning Mormons in vague terms about the evils of the Internet. I suppose this is part of it. ===== >From this morning's Rolley&Wells column in the Salt Lake Tribune (without permission): "During a press tour this week of the LDS [Mormon] Church's new Mount Timpanogos Temple in American Fork, a member of the news media asked why a writtem copy of the temple ceremony was not given to members with temple recommends so they could study it in the privacy of their homes. Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles informed the reporter that there was no need. A church member had 'broken the covenant' -- taped the ceremony, transcribed it, and put it on the Internet for all to read." <end> Deana M. Holmes April 1996 poster child for clueless $cientology litigiousness alt.religion.scientology archivist since 2/95 mirele(a)xmission.com

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Fun with M$
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Some guy has written an ActiveX control which crashes windoze95... I don't use windoze so can't try it, but if someone else is brave, I'd love to know if it works... Information page with a link to a page which loads the control: http://www.halcyon.com/mclain/ActiveX/ Quote from the page: Exploder is an Active X control which demonstrates security problems with Microsoft's Internet Explorer. Exploder performs a clean shutdown of Win95 and will turn off the power on machines that have a power conservation BIOS (green machines). - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeremey Barrett Senior Software Engineer jeremey(a)forequest.com The ForeQuest Company http://www.forequest.com/ "less is more." -- Mies van de Rohe. Ken Thompson has an automobile which he helped design. Unlike most automobiles, it has neither speedometer, nor gas gage, nor any of the numerous idiot lights which plague the modern driver. Rather, if the driver makes any mistake, a giant "?" lights up in the center of the dashboard. "The experienced driver", he says, "will usually know what's wrong." -- 'fortune` output -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMgujTi/fy+vkqMxNAQFikwP+LbLwibqKcp4FcLncenF44ptcp01j02M8 QwVbx0R+ept5jFea+R5Jhbypy+C2wvLh1hs4fjC0d2lrAQkfqiJxDAu8dblXYejy hS1hmuzflIEcat2p0qbomKDf+Iba2fz2kXtcu5CSsmwvqWwZf9XSFiC0Gx9JJ0Nh c/zVv9GcMIs= =1j1L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Drive the SF Central
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >>f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake retrofit >>How? Their license plates have been photographed. >You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. In> It's possible today, and probably affordable. If not, it will be in In> 1-2 years, as Moore's law cranks down processing costs and video In> technology improves. For this application, they don't have to In> photograph every car, or read every plate successfully, or do it in In> real time. The objective is to get lots of drivers to take other In> routes or mass transit so they don't have to dump all the traffic onto In> surface streets right around the construction. Wasn't there something about these cameras in the latest 2600? (BTW, there was also alot of information on encryption in the issue, too.) P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... TagX Pro of Borg - "Your tagline will be assimilated." ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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Re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:15 AM 8/10/96 -0400, Scottauge(a)aol.com wrote: > I was watched CBS reports a couple nights ago about how all these blue collar > and now white collar jobs are going across seas. > > How programmers in India are taking jobs away from us, programmers and > engineerss, the people pioneering them. Indian engineers typically get one tenth or less of what European programmers get. Many companies, for example Informix, have campuses here and there across the USA, a campus in India, and several campuses in Europe. These campuses are linked by private televideo connections, private voice mail systems, and the internet. So theoretically a programmer in India should be much the same to them as a programmer anywhere else. Why should they care where he lives. Yet these companies continually spend vast sums of money on politicians, lawyers, and perhaps bureaucrats, in order to get their engineers out of India, so that they can pay them more than ten times as much in some foreign country. Informix has facilities in the US that are staffed mostly by Indians. Why did it not leave these teams in India, where they would cost less than a tenth as much? Clearly therefore, the same man is more than ten times as valuable to them when he is not in India. Since the communications are pretty much the same wherever he is located, what makes the difference? The power of the Indian government over that man and his work makes the difference. That man is poor because he is more subject to the power of the state, which values him no more than any other expendable slave, than he is contractually subject to those who value what he can do. Crypto relevance? When the crypto economy gets going, and government interference in the exchange of specialized labor becomes less effective, we can expect to see a radical rise in the standard of living. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Rumors of death of Anguilla Data are greatly exagerated.
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Taxbomber wrote: >This is the work of some journalist hacks who did a major job of >character assassination by claiming that we (and our provider) >were involved in selling fake passports. This is a fraud by taxbomber. He is totally involved with selling fake passports. He calls them "camouflage passports" and they have names like "British Honduras" of countries that no longer exist, or never did. He does not think they are "fake", but the rest of the world does. He also suggested opening up bank accounts with these fake passports (encouraging fraud). My lawyer called me up and told me that fake passports are illegal in Anguilla and that I should pull this guy immediately. I did. It is our policy to not permit anything on our servers that is illegal in Anguilla. My lawyer is where I get the definition of "illegal in Anguilla". Tim: >(I assume this is Vince Cates' site, though I haven't doublechecked... Yes, taxbomber was using Offshore Information Services. Tim: >Longterm, I've never believed there is much safety in locating in *any* >physical country. (By this I mean advertising and making it clear that one >is in Country X, said to be "friendly" to tax avoiders, data havens, money >laundering, etc. As a practical matter, taxbomber would have been better off to not state what country his web site was currently in, let alone who the provider was. This reporter seems not to even use email, and I doubt he would know how to locate a sites provider. Tim: >I'd guess that Vince has had a fun time in the Carribbean, but that he'll >be closing up shop sometime soon. Once some services are yanked, confidence >is lost. I am not closing up at all. Anything that is legal in Anguilla can be done from my servers. If not, then not. Note that there are no taxes here, and there are still many things a guy can do here that are not permitted in other places. However, fake passports turns out not to be one of them. Sameer: > Note that the taxbomber site is moving to a provider in the US. Actually, at the moment http://www.taxbomber.com/ is off in Europe someplace. The US provider has been slow to come up with an IP address. :-) -- Vince

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Re: Police prepare stunning end for high-speed car chases
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:16 8/10/96, Anonymous wrote: >Why don't they just have government access to car engines? They could >just require car manufacturers to include remote shutdown devices for >the engines. But they will. Didn't you know that? -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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