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Re: Yet another self-labeling system
by Kurt Starsinic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm in favor of a ratings system; not one which indicates for whom a given page is suitable, but rather one which identifies the subject matter. The Dewey Decimal System is a primitive example of such a system. It seems to me that, if the USG is in the business of encouraging or endorsing morally normative ratings systems (which, of course, they've done for years), they're discouraging free discourse regarding child-rearing. It's important that parents can protect their children from content which _they_ believe to be inappropriate, but providing boilerplate (such as "adult"/"non-adult") turns parents into sheeple. I could write a book, but I think I've made my point. Peace, *---- Kurt Starsinic (kstar(a)isinet.com) ------ Senior Programmer/Analyst ---* | Institute for Scientific Information (215) 386-0100 x1108 | | "It seems every politician in the country wants to enact a minute for | | school prayer these days. I'd be happy if somebody could just | | legislate a minute of science in school." -- Dennis Miller | *------------------------ http://www.isinet.com ------------------------*

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Re: C$ prize for bruting Hal's next challenge?
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:50 8/22/95, aba(a)atlas.ex.ac.uk wrote: >I hereby donate c$ 50 to the pot, mail me your c$. (It won't be a >good idea if you post your c$ to the lists, as the first person to >cash it gets it, you need to do it in private email, PGP it even). To >generate your payment either save it to a file, or email directly to >me via the digicash client, click on the icon which looks like a note >(is that what it's supposed to be? the one next to the bank symbol), >then choose to send via file / email toggle make payment, enter the >amount (leave the shop account ID blank, give a payment description if >you like). I like the idea, but there are two problems with it: -Not all platfoms let you save e$ to a file. You got to open a shop. -Leaving the shop ID blank won't work. You got to use @ (wildcard) for shop ID to turn e$ into a bearer certificate. Get the shop going and I'll donate e$50 -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: NEXT CHALLENGE: so, when does it start?
by aba＠dcs.exeter.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Well, I've got the program, and I'm ready to start sweeping > (about 35,600 keys/sec on a P5 90 Mhz NT machine - have to see > how many I can draft for this) - I even compiled for Win 3.11 (less > than 800 keys/sec on a 486/33 - don't think I'll bother). > > I've got the challenge file from Adam's messages. > > But when do we start? Have we started already? Have we completed? Soon. No. And not yet. > It's difficult to tell. There was talk of starting at 12:00GMT (about 6 > AM here on the east coast), but there was no 'start now' message to > the list. At Adam's site, I can see that 'project 11fa' has been > completed, but the key (000000001234) looks like test data. Yes confusion abound. Dead mailer for me, Piete away for a while (back now). Rest assured big announce of a deadline when it is fixed, with plenty of warning. Perhaps a start time of day which is more convenient would be better, also for people using WWW, few likely to be around at 6AM, perhaps later in the day, when the time is decided. > If I try to allocate keys, I get the 600 SLEEP 3600 message, which > suggests strongly that the seach has not started yet. Yes, correct. For people with the unix client, this means they can leave the client running already, and it will sleep in 1hr chunks, until there is something on the server to do. > Adam, when you fix a time to start the search, could you: > > 1. Send a message to the list, clearly saying so, and giving the > time. Okay will do. Adam

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Re: uncensorable net based payment system?
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> said: >Then I can have some net cash savings backed by the rights to 1Tb of >bandwidth at 100 Mb/sec. 100 Mb/sec for 3 days. > >A problem with this is that the market prices of the assets is >continually dropping. How do I hedge against this. Can I buy futures? >Sell 100 Mb/sec for 3 days now in exchange for 200 Mb/sec for 3 days in 1 >years time at an predicted equivalent value? I could imaging making a currency backed by "megabytes of data transfered" to and from my server here in Anguilla. This could be to run a web page, mailing list, or whatever. But you are right that it is an asset continually dropping in value, so it is an odd thing to back a currency with. Would only want to keep enough money in it to do what you currently wanted to do, not as a long term investment. I could imaging just gradually increasing it so that $0.25 for 1 megabyte today became $0.25 for 1.1 megabytes in 3 months, or something like that. Interesting idea... -- Vince

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Re: Certificates/Anonymity/Policy/True Names
by Michael Froomkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Bill Stewart wrote: > can be substantial even if the suit is bogus.) Under what conditions do > you expect somebody to sue a CA? CA certifies key saying that holder has corporate power to enter into deals upto $1million. Keyholder commits fraud, arguably outside corparate powers. CA certifies you are Jack Ripper based on phony id. In fact you are Sam Spade. CA sued for recovery of ensuing fraud. CA certifies that a document is authentic and time-stamps it. Lawyers did not do due dilligence, books were cooked, everyone who touches document gets sued. In each of these cases, if the CA did exactly what it promises and no more, it (arguably) deserves a way to short-circuit the suit, thus keeping its costs down. Since (in the absence of any rules given the newness of the technology) it is very likely that a rich CA would get nuisance suits every time a deal in which it particiapted went sour, the absence of rules will either raise costs CAs have to charge (e.g. to buy insurance) or will keep rich folk out of the industry (which isn't good either, since you want CAs to buy security and to last). Thus the need for clear liability rules. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | mfroomki(a)umiami.ir.miami.edu U. Miami School of Law | P.O. Box 248087 | It's hot here. And humid. Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | See http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/articles/froomkin-metaphor/text.html and http://www.law.cornell.edu/jol/froomkin.htm

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Re: Third World Man
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The US is slipping into the second world as we > speak, with no signs of a turnaround ahead. Only the sheer size of > the economy keeps people from believing it. Just a nomenclature peeve - I'm not sure of the precise time and place the (first|second|third) world meme originated, but it seems to predate 1970, and until very recently it's meaning was clear: First world: Western (and Westernized) nations - mainly the US, Canada, Western Europe, Japan, Australia, & New Zealand Second world: Communist bloc (I can still remember the Cultural Revolution. Prior to that, the Communists seemed a monolithic force, marching in lockstep.) Third world: The rest, mostly poor nations. Back then, the world was a simpler place. Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation trei(a)process.com

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Eternity Server 0.04 Available
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am pleased to announce that I have successfully installed Adam Back's "Eternity Server" on my home page. This server permits a user to transparently browse Web content posted to Usenet in encrypted form in newsgroups like alt.anonymous.messages. Eventually, the Eternity Server will also serve web content from a variety of more permanent repositories, like Altavista and Dejanews. The Eternity Webspace is comprised of http URLs in a new virtual top level domain, .eternity. All documents are PGP signed, and posters may optionally choose to have their domains indexed in a top level directory under the URL http://eternity/. PGP is used for encryption, and documents may require the user to supply a password before they can be viewed. Documents may also be encrypted with the hash of the URL, so that documents are only accessible to individuals who already know their names. Although I expect most people will want to install their own servers in their Unix shell accounts, I will leave my server open for a little while so that people can play before installing the software. To try it out, just select the "Eternity Server" link on my homepage http://www.zipcon.com/~enoch In order that people have something to browse, I have seeded alt.anonymous.messages with two virtual web sites. The first of these has a URL of http://barney.eternity/ and is a single document describing different ways one might kill a certain purple dinosaur. The second has a URL of http://boylinks.eternity/ and is a large index of boy-related resources on the Web, recently made homeless by the CPAC/Sewer people. The authors have devoted their best efforts to make sure this list contains no links to porn or illegal material. The latest version of the eternity server may be found at Adam Back's Web site and is called eternity-0.04.tgz. You will need Perl 5 and access to cgi-bin to install it. The eternity home page is... http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/eternity Included are the eternity server, written in perl, and a "sitegrabber," which can be used to post entire websites to Usenet. Enjoy... -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Hayes <dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org> writes: > > Not if it's done through the normal operation of the protocol. If articles > > needed more protection, cryptographic elements would have been part of the > > design to begin with. Even David Hayes has admitted that cancels are prote > > free speech. > > I have admitted no such thing. Paul Pomes is a fouil-mouthed liar. Please see his Net.Scum page at http://www.netscum.net/pomesp0.html. Two questions to Tim Skirvin: 1. Why was Paul Pomes fired from UIUC academic computer facility? 2. Does Paul still weigh 400 lbs? > > Keep repeating to yourself, "It's just usenet, it's just usenet....". > > I understand you are reluctant to communicate with those you deem inferior, > however do not deny this to the rest of us that want to talk. That's a very good point. Paul is an enemy of the cypherpunk anonymous remailers. He complains about them to the remailer operators' upstreams and employers. Paul has been sending me obscene and harrassing e-mail and complains to PSI, my upstream, about the contents of the e-mail he thinks originated here. Paul is a poster child for net.censorship. Paul publicly claims to killfile anyone he doesn't like, but then goes out of his way to silence them. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: (Fwd) 1995 Nanotechnology Conference
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:00 AM 8/21/95 -0800, J. Kent Hastings wrote: >Doesn't quantum coherence require molecular precision if it >is to work on 1024 bit PGP keys? If it works, such keys can >be instantly factorized. It would be nice to follow that progress. It requires molecular precision if it is to work on anything interesting: Cracking 1024 bit keys is a long way down the road. Long, long, before quantum computers crack 1024 bit keys, many technological changes will radically and fundamentally change human existence. Quantum computers have many potentials far more imminent and exciting than breaking PGP keys. (Not that they are all that imminent.) Long, long, before quantum computers crack 1024 bit keys, quantum cryptography will become useful and routine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Dr. Jai Maharaj
by Trevor Goodchild 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is quite humorous to see that our beloved list is so populated by these so called doctors. For a while we have had a Doctor Grubor, previously, a Doctor Vulis, and now we are blessed by this Doctor. Will the tentacles of Vulis never cease blessing us? (Strangely enough I didn't think Vulis was into Indian metaphysics. "Dr. Jai Maharaj" has an extensive page on the topic. Aparently this creature professes to be an astrologer. I wonder if the rumours that our beloved drs are pedophiles and are involved in a child trafficking ring. Supposedly, Dr. Grubor flies small boys between the ages of two and six between Dr. Vulis's residence in New York, and Dr. Maharaj's residence in Hawaii. All three are known cocksuckers of course. The hidden protected areas of his web site which my Breen agents have infiltrated show that Dr. Majaras uses the anal juices of his child victims to predict the future... Scum like this cannot be tolerated. It also shows much colaboration between the three. I strongly suggest we "boy"cott this dastardly threesome. --- Trevor Goodchild

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