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Re: Remailers and Keyservers, active ones?
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Derek Atkins writes: > The active remailers get periodically posted. I forget the site > where you can request the current list. http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html is the best source I know. For the WWW-deprived: finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu I'm not aware of a way to obtain the list purely via email; maybe I should establish a way to do that if it's not out there.... - - -L. Futplex McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLvFFv2f7YYibNzjpAQFE3AP/blHKIhZTLOOEV+flzL/WFGXMsdTmO2xV GuAZ9P/WCfkMM3x46D+glH7GaLGuGvIMIV09XrvEsvppJ2H4PCMAF1ZhCkLyCDJW VZZTytM4Ws4ffHZzEJ6eyPYqoaKUTgqImj/hRTXIxVRETSlliwWfOJAE6rEAL+Pk RY2vAHoUG2o= =y1dI - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvFG6yoZzwIn1bdtAQHu3QF+JhyYgYqqxBKuGiJA0iDTingK6MZutyHw N89rv2C28/9M0lGc21PJJbW1V5yadOgM =4gy2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McCoy is Right! New Mail Format to Start Now.
by amanda＠intercon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> But this isn't 15 years ago, and I daresay there isn't a _single_ > subscriber to the Cypherpunks list using a VIC-20 or anything remotely > similar. Of the 600 or so subscribers, and certainly of the 100-200 > involved posters, I would bet that essentially all of them can display > ASCII text on an 80-column screen. ... when they're at their desk. There has been an explosion, however, of non-80-column-capable devices on which people want to read their email. Alphanumeric pagers, Handheld PDAs, palmtop computers, etc. Give me a radio modem with reasonable service coverage, and I'd want to read at least some kinds of mail on my Newton (about 32-48 characters across the display). In fact, the ability to display graphics is becoming universal in areas where 80 columns have been tossed aside. Very few people use actual terminals any more. I'd be amazed if any more than 5-10% of the readership of this group (and the Internet at large) were using anything but a graphics display, even if it's emulating a VT100. I should stop now, though. I feel the urge to bring up Hollerith cards and keypunches again :). Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation

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Re: The Thread That Wouldn't Die (Was: Re: McCoy is Right!)
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [Please don't cc: me on messages to the list. Thanks.] Jim McCoy writes: > Actually this "dump flamewar" has produced some good discussion regarding > actual implementation issues. I beg to differ. If you think that was a good discussion, I'd hate to see what you'd classify as a bad discussion. Crypto relevance was minimal, too. > Everything that has happened with MIME will happen again when people try to > add cryptography to the structure of the net. It seems to me that people are *already* trying to add cryptography to the structure of the net, and that would actually be worth discussing. > Maybe there are some lessons to be learned here. _Maybe_, but I don't think anyone's learning them. - - -L. Futplex McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLvFDrGf7YYibNzjpAQFjXgP/QrsprjIVwZvAmkx8GAySAiEn7/VLtbuL HfvPXaEBvq1iDr5Jax7p95ctWA6Qjo4H13LkUJIHkoMK+Hh5ofO6bG1g2ZBKWz8b oX/S90pPhDDDc4yt6DPQXeaz57yA3IYYhUQzWrh9dH/LtAC5agsyqcJTGTWWrQ1/ pO7d7VQhFnQ= =uE/d - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvFE0yoZzwIn1bdtAQFQKwF/ROSbeuwJYgPTq8WJz3FQLVR9PEA99bBF xxz4ISjLTvZKPPX8OQo2vE6cYgt3mChU =Ahuo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Thread That Wouldn't Die (Was: Re: McCoy is Right!)
by cactus＠seabsd.hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199412160709.BAA20011(a)pentagon.io.com>, Jim McCoy <mccoy(a)io.com> wrote: >A position to which I still agree on this particular issue. Perhaps not >stated as diplomatically as Perry did, but so be it... No slam on Perry intended (really), but when Perry starts looking diplomatic to you it's time to reassess your communication skills. - -- Todd Masco | "'When _I_ use a word,' Humpty-Dumpty said, in a rather cactus(a)hks.net | scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - cactus(a)bb.com | neither more nor less.'" - Lewis Carroll - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvFYCioZzwIn1bdtAQFX/AF+PI9m17bZahNB3k2TSaxSEiqEQ1vc1KF6 b24I/SpS0CXZV1MbYp8HL/SSIkuh3vUs =93K6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Low power/bandwidth machines
by xpat＠vm1.spcs.umn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"JEFF LICQUIA (CEI)" <JLICQUIA(a)mhc.uiuc.edu> writes: >this from work, but it's running into bandwidth problems. There is no >local SLIP provider that provides to home users. Thus, I am trapped in >a VT100 environment, where a shell would be a great luxury. If and whe >I get SLIP, I'll have to do it on a 386SX/20 with 4M of RAM, not exactl >your speed demon kind of machine. >1. While I, too, have experienced the head rush that comes with fully >graphical interfaces to high-bandwidth Net, I am also painfully aware o >the reality that too many people are stuck with less. Given a few week, If you have access to a SLIP line, but frustrated with perhaps less of a machine than you would like, give MINUET a try. It is a DOS based tool designed for students with cheap/old computers so they can access the Internet. It includes embedded POPmail, news, ftp, telnet, ping etc. It is available anonymous FTP from boombox.micro.umn.edu /pub/pc/minuet/beta16/minuarc.exe or /pub/pc/minuet/shaky/minuarc.exe <--beta17 SLIP software that goes with it is at /pub/pc/slip/latest/sliparc.exe The beta17 has caused no problems for me yet. Beta17 has some performance advantages. A 386 should be no problem at all. --------------------------------------------------------------- P M Dierking xpat(a)vm1.spcs.umn.edu

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PGP key checking
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just signed and checked some pgp keys (using pgp 2.6.1) and I found something unexpected: Keys can be checked with the -kc option. To identify the key to be checked either a string or the KeyID (with 0x-prefix) can be given as an argument. If I do now pgp -kc name_of_anyone pgp -kc 0xanyones_key_id for the very same key (once identified by substring, once by keyid, which should both do the same job) the first command checks many more signatures than the second command. The second command stops earlier, but I couldn't find out yet, whether this stops after finding a trusted path to the checked key or what else could be the reason for this. Any ideas? Hadmut

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Re: Question for remailer operators
by lcottrell＠popmail.ucsd.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I see about 200 messages a day through my remailer, sizes averaging a >couple of K. I had the impression at one point that the VAST majority of >this was "cover" traffic that someone is generating just to keep the >network busy. I don't know if this is still the case. It might be >possible to opt out of the cover traffic generator to reduce your load >to a politically manageable level. Maybe people generating cover traffic >could estimate how many messages they are generating. > <SNIP> > >Hal I have a script generating covering traffic. It creates a message at random intervals between 1 and 20 min. The messages are encrypted, and padded with cutmarks for all remailers which support that. The messages are sent through six hops. The remailers are chosen from all reasonably reliable remailers on Raph Levine's list (except for those which have asked to be excluded). -------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell who does not speak for CASS/UCSD loki(a)nately.ucsd.edu PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Encrypted mail welcome. Home page http://nately.ucsd.edu/~loki/ Home of "chain" the remailer chaining script. For anon remailer info, mail remailer(a)nately.ucsd.edu Subject: remailer-help "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche

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Digital privacy
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So I was netsurfing and came across CellularOne's home page. So I thought I'd do a little investigative work...this is the same company which advertises that your digital phone conversation is private even in a crowded restaurant! Here's what its WWW server had to say: >The Difference Digital Makes > >Cellular phones play an indispensable role in everyday life in the 1990s. But >>what exactly does digital technology bring to the table? > >Static meets its match. Since digital transmission only recognizes and >converts >variations in the human voice, static is virtually eliminated. >Voices come >through loud and clear. Background noise isn't just reduced, it's >virtually >eliminated. So is cross-talk. > >Capacity three times. Ultimately, digital technology will triple the size of >>the cellular phone information highway. So as we convert, more room will be >>freed up for more of your important calls. Resulting in more calls going >>through faster. On the first try. And fewer calls being dropped. > >Pssst, what about privacy? Again, since your voice is digitally processed, >it's >less likely that anyone could eavesdrop on your conversations. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?Como? This is absolutely amazing! ======================Herodotus===================== Great deeds are usually wrought at great risks. ==================================================== _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/

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LIST: calmness
by ddt＠lsd.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Let me be brief so you can hit the "d" key quickly... :) Please don't go, Tim. You are a very valuable asset. Lurk if you must... Everybody: _please_ tone down the "language," and focus, focus, focus. Let's all try to be more diplomatic. There's value in diplomacy. Let's continue to discuss Netscape, but NICELY. They deserve some respect. Enough MIME stuff for now! MIME is nifty, but this is about Crypto. Reset brain to a low-emotion state, post calmly. Let it stew before sending. Keep this list alive, tend it like a garden. It's important. dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6ui iQCVAgUBLvMNc6HBOF9KrwDlAQH7CgP+JQb/T7KG/pJdtAhS9XCYYQGLCiY3Ub0O hSudj0ji5TzwgACWJSMWJv+wmEFzoYIPlEEs3DJjC4LbSV4wz5lGN/3NDCUFc5iH 48wOArC3fTCKkdNJbCsczaDrl5+hdyY5zIwM+4YKF3SEdN0RDtWLiWQaQ56shN6j Kmw9TwBzbS4= =SanU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Thread That Wouldn't Die (Was: Re: McCoy is Right!)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

L. McCarthy wrote: >Right. We went through dozens of messages to establish that some people like >MIME and others don't, just as we did several weeks ago. What a surprise that >not much has changed since then. Bleeding wonderful. And we will go through it again and again and again until the ones who don't like MIME wake up to the fact that MIME is essential for todays and tomorrows email messages, namely solid email encryption that doesn't require much user intervention. Regardless what machine you use and what part of the net you live on. >Good standards are good. There's a revelation. Yep, we sure needed dozens of >messages to rehash that. Right. I agree it shouldn't take dozens of messages to get people to accept that. I have no idea why anyone who followed these threads still won't accept that MIME is a Good Thing and that MIME capable mailers (no mailers that claim to be MIME capable and aren't) are a Good Thing as well. >> > > Everything that has happened with MIME will happen again when people >> > > try to add cryptography to the structure of the net. >> > It seems to me that people are *already* trying to add cryptography to the >> > structure of the net, and that would actually be worth discussing. >> Yeah, like the PGP-MIME draft, which will open up the ability to >> effectively use PGP to more people than anything the cypherpunks have ever >> done :) > >So why not talk about that instead ? But we have. And everytime we do, someone out there says: "But my mailer doens't even handle todays MIME'd messages right. So it won't do tomorrows either." Why do you think this tread keeps comming back? -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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