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Re: Privacy and the lack thereof.
by Graham Toal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: From: Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ <jims(a)central.keywest.mpgn.com> : name/id. Safe at last, or are you? What if "they" analyzed all the : ATM machines in that general area and got a report of everyone who : withdrew Gun_Price + 0-to-100 dollars. (Spending money). They could : narrow it down and eventually, since they suspect you anyway, get your : pix from the ATM video camera. Take this to the gun man and you're id'd. It's worse than that if they're on the ball. All they have to do is match up the serial numbers on the bills you spent in the shop with the ones fed into the ATM at whatever banks you got money from. I don't know for sure about the US, but in the UK bills are tracked with OCR at various points in the banking chain. Worse, many ATMs in the early days insisted on brand new notes thatr didn't jam, so the serial numbers were often sequential and *definitely* on file somewhere. Anyway, if they just want your picture for ID, it doesn't have to be from the most recent bank transaction. People's pictures are floating around all over nowadays unfortunately. You can be sure your passport picture is on file and almost certainly digitised nowadays, but there are lots of other places you'll show up - buss pass, bank card, graduation photo, annual class photo, last time you entered the country through customs - it's very hard to avoid getting your picture on file. Anyway, in real life it would be the other way round - the gun shop would have your pic on tape from the security camera, and the feds would be the one to ID you from that video, not the shop owner. G

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Re: Black Net
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lefty writes: >some random person writes: >>killbarny(a)aol.com wrote: >>>Has anyone heard of BlackNet? BlackNet is in the business of buying, selling, >>>trading, and otherwise dealing with information in all its many forms. >>The most recent Phrack (45) had an ad from them. If this is not what you >>saw (and you think the info you saw is not related to the phrack bit), let >>me know- I was assuming it was a wet dream of a few 15 year olds. >Do _not_ mess with those BlackNet folks. You'll wind up face-down in a >landfill, and spend eternity playing pinochle with Jimmy Hoffa. >Trust Me On This. a friend of mine told me he was going to sell some information to BlackNet. I don't know if he did or not, but he ... changed ... in a strange way. his speech patterns became different. he started dressing differently, and his shirt bulged in the back, I have never seen anything quite like it before. his house burned down mysteriously sometime after that. I saw him riding in tha back of a black lincoln, talking with this guy who looked ... wrong. josh

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Re: BEST Inc.
by kkirksey＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Simple solution to this problem, especially if you have strong magnets >around.... De-magnitize the card. > >If you are a ham operator, you can use the magnetic mount on the basis of >your mobile antenna whip. If you're not, get a big magnet... > Or a bulk tape eraser from Radio Shack. They've a thousand household uses! No home should be without one! :-) Ken +===========================================================================+ | Ken Kirksey kkirksey(a)world.std.com Mac Guru & Developer | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table. | | -Edmund Blackadder | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbQwAesZNYlu+zuBAQEeoQQAieN3U5lMrpk24APiEkFQi42oG65ZE8RX My/fEoNolwMnwIh9MkWQeBjfSx8Ixzwcq3vSla2XgWw6UcXxExvxzSUc1IM38zN1 p1qpoDwBatdonZoua7G3mlrxRgxEVMLCakO3aM9HNj4QTNpjJFDWSv5wzLDwBPaX ptmZjAgT+mo= =rqQB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Dirty Laundry...
by Peter Wayner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm perfectly willing to do a "live" demonstration of money laundering using the futures markets. In your last private letter, you suggested that we use real money. I see no reason to do for two reasons: 1) Commission costs and other fees are prohibitive for the small amount of money that I have. Plus, why would I want to spend all that money just to prove a point to you? 2) I see no reason to go out and borrow money for what is essentially an academic exercise. This is a game for the rich. If you've only got to move $10,000 then cash and Fed Ex is fine. So you are welcome to add all of the margin requirements and stuff and we'll work it out on paper. (I'll even sweat a bit for real, if you want.) Make out a list of the transaction costs and margin requirements and I'll come up with a target sum to transfer. Then we can figure out the risk strategy to pursue. The only problems I can see in doing this well is finding a source of futures prices. I don't have a live feed and I don't have the time in my day to sit on a terminal waiting for the right moment.(I've wasted enough on this argument.) Closing prices are okay, but they are not as efficient as using all of the noise in the market during the day. Oh, I wanted to point out one other fact about swapping tickets: It's illegal. But it is not clear that it is illegal to just place bets on both sides of the market.

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Banyan Vines / USMC
by SGT=DARREN=S.=HARLOW%ISB%MCTSSA＠nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Banyan Vines network was used extensively in Desert Storm/Shield/Sweep. Before the network was in place, people were using a single channel radio relay box called the Hadron. It was capable of being used with the KY-57 (crypto) on the PRC-77 (single channel radio), as well as satcom (PSC-3). Once the network was up and in place. Internet shots were coordinated with Quantico, VA, so that the supply cycles, and requests could be sent in real time. Not every Marine tank was a Banyan server, networks were installed down to the regiment HQ level. Remote shots were done over MUX lines with KG-84 as the crypto, on a four wire leased circuits. This allowed for secure communications within the theater of operations, as well as unclassified communications with the rear (stateside). A number of different ways are available to the Marine Corps to talk to remote spots, and new ways are being found all of the time. If there is further interest, I would be more than happy to post further to the list. Sgt Darren Harlow - Computer Security MCTSSA, Camp Pendleton, USMC Internet: harlowd(a)nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil or another less reliable & slower: harlow(a)mqg1.usmc.mil Voice: Comm: (619) 725-2970 DSN (Autovon): 365-2970 Fax: Comm: (619) 725-9512 DSN (Autovon): 365-9512 PGP Public key available upon request "The views expressed are my own, and always will be..."

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The Herd Instinct & Response to Authority
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Tom Allard "This shows that, in real situations, people will follow herd instincts and obey orders." Herd instincts: of following together in large numbers, what the rest of the cows are doing or go where the rest of the herd is headed. The experiments on test subjects were done with individuals who were not aware of what others were doing in the same situation, so they could not have been imitating anyone's behavior. So it was a demonstration of something else, that being mostly their state of ignorance, or their deficient knowledge (of morality, of pain, of the meaning of what they see, hear, etc.). I would suspect that this was because they grew up without sufficient opportunity to exercise independent judgement or develop their own self-directing abilities. I think "herd instincts" are in the eyes of the beholder. >From Jeff Davis: (from an earlier post) "I am prone to action on instinct." [so he said...] "We better be DAMN careful who we put in authority in this country." Blanc

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Safeway + Your Privacy
by an3747＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <0097D140.1B631720.2317(a)Leif.ucs.mun.ca> Bill Garland <bill(a)kean.ucs.mun.ca> wrote: > Hey, we have already inadvertently given great power to a centralized > government. We - many of us - well, some of us, well, er, I'm sure > at least Tim May and myself, are just trying to get some of it back, > and not to give them any more. No, you must be thinking of someone else. Tim May acts to _strengthen_ government. Why, just the other day he boasted about _voting_ for them: In Message-Id: <199404140800.BAA23572(a)mail.netcom.com> he wrote "Understand that I actually _voted_ [in a government election]... " Voting in their elections is right up there with petitioning them or accepting money from them as their justification for being. When they're challenged, they need only point to these constituencies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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My Key(s), FWIW
by David Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For What It's Worth (damn little, I suspect :-), here's my PGP public key; 'finger' me for verification/fingerprint/RIPEM. Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM Public Keys and Fingerprints -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCNAi12VeYAAAEEAOqndSk+w1iAtW1nJDtdajTZEZEOuMjeKoFbXWuMK8H93Ckx Ba6c0Z8+STXtscP2WWKwRUVcrM0iZa2X4/7Z/Brl31aaA4DT6AVoxet3CLY0JUfi FciusBFCfPB6wfDdwABLZAzTd49YDyWI/Fq0MlNJ3JAeTFwhPeJ9eOnzcfP1AAUR tCVEYXZlIE1lcnJpbWFuIDxtZXJyaW1hbkBtZXRyb25ldC5jb20+iQCVAgUQLZxj 0Jmg14VGv4TFAQFNsQP+JdRjafESlDYmLvgmQqxZUE90lct/EIy5C8sIDT7vFt1f FI5PLtFg1xlxl8thrBjfff9GYKOt2WSw6Uw144OCNnIw5l93QR3ueSXWmHqowJ6c Hp8batrO/X3InNj6IDx6bolZzv6+lBz2XimE2SvYXCdU+7OA4CYxMQ6nfPwErdU= =h8jX -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Milgram & Authority (+Ethics)
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)snark.imsi.com> Jeff Davis says: >> March/April 1976- I'd just gotten divorced and the bullet hole in >> my abdomen was healing quite nicely. >Really? I was under the impression his stuff had been published >substantially before that date -- certainly that seems to be a quite >late year for him to have been presenting a paper on it. Stanley Milgram reorganized the very foundations of ethical human research with his experimental procedure. He was very active in structuring ethical human experimentation for years. That's why my question was phrased, "ethical questions aside..." Some o' y'all don't know much about folks, do ya. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbSk/F/ScHuGXWgVAQFqyQP+Ke5zrKbag3M/j6rjJsJbDe9nxDt67L1U po3QKjJmb3xRIUiqOXtyWSsnkMS9pcDgkxBb8CivMcDAR4tTGRgqw4UZf3GCnhYR bmX+4X9bZ6iimA23ItoEhAIGdNP0NouauuHvcVtqNZuntg64Y0c5UvcF9hS4pihq 5wmVH0G3gGE= =DS0i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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Re: Privacy and the lack thereof.
by joshua geller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you >>want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an >>hour of your purchase? no. josh

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